Amelia, Worm AU [Complete]

"The Unfortunate Choice."

Heh, this. Where everyone lets the CUI know that, if they wnat to take it up with Pantheon, Pantheon will be more then happy to open a portal between their world and the CUI territory.

Huh... wonder if they'll lose specialists because there's no need for doctors or medical/drug/whatever research?

 

I'm not the most up-to-date on the various Dyson Sphere adaptations, but I'm vaguely aware that the original Dyson Sphere model is more accurately called a Dyson Swarm. That doesn't change the fact that the original idea, as created by Dyson, called it a Sphere. It was quite some time before someone decided to start calling it a Dyson Swarm instead, and that's just because they couldn't stand the fact that an actual Dyson Sphere wasn't like the one they showed on the StarTrek: TNG episode with Scotty! (and I say that as a StarTrek fan)


On an actually relevant part of the discussion though, if I'm remembering right the original Dyson SPHERE model had the satellites orbiting on the outer edge of the habitable zone of the solar system, which in Sol's case would be a bit outside the orbit of Mars. I also remember reading a note that by the original model, cannibalizing the moon should theoretically provide enough raw material to construct one (assuming the mass of the moon was composed of a majority of the needed elements... it was more an example of the amount of raw material needed).

And THEY got it from StarTrek, because that pretty much exactly describes a Dyson Sphere according to StarTrek.

As an aside, 100% enclosing a star with something that stops 100% of energy from leaving, even at the distance of pluto (though it would be slower at that distance), would pretty much flash-fry everything inside instantly. In a Dyson Sphere you're harvesting at most 5% of the total energy being emitted from the star, though likely closer to 0.01% of the total energy....That's still more than enough to supply for humanities power needs for the rest of the lifespan of the star.

 

*looks up the episode*

Ok yeah that's what I was talking about. I thought you meant Star Trek used the Dyson Swarm and the original was for a Sphere. I actually didn't know it was anything but a solid sphere, the satellite network would be good but would only get a small fraction of the star's output. Miscommunication on my end about that part but I think we were kind of agreeing with each other on the mass needed for a full sphere.

 

´In my opoinion Denmark is the best country in the world Amerika is merely the biggest good country to live in in the world, I can even prove it, Denmark regularly come first on the worlds happiest country list.

 

The StarTrek episode had it as a completely enclosed construct, with the interior surface being fully habitable. It also had all of the original inhabitants dead from....flash frying from a solar flare...so at least they got that part right if your stupid enough to try and completely enclose a star...

To create a solid spherical construct of that size, even at only 1 mm thick would require the entire mass of several planets, completely infeasible as well as stupid. A Satellite network with a lot of solar panels however... only around as much as the moon.

I call it a Dyson Sphere, even though 'modern' theorists call it a Dyson Swarm, because that's what it was originally called, before StarTrek mucked up the waters.

 

The mistake they made from that description was living on the interior. Solar radiation and solar wind is a thing after all, if it's going to be habitable you need it to either be thick and live in the section in between or do like Schlock had it done and leave it a thin(ish) balloon with the habitation modules suspended from it.

Amelia could do it simply because it would be a mostly autonomous process once they have the base ring formed. A full scale entity is actually stupid for NOT doing exactly that.

In fact that's one of the ideas I like using for what Abbadon is, that being that one of the Entities decided to make a full dyson sphere over the same star in a few hundred thousand dimensions to solve his power issues and then sends out hunter/killer projectiles designed to interrupt and kill other entities and steal the progress they have made. Aiming wouldn't be an issue, with that much power coming in that Entity could spam the crude PtV as much as they want.

 

Until you guys add in a 'in my opinion' you're both wrong. Everyone values their country and others differently. And this is most definitely not the place for a debate on it.

 

Fixed.

So now I'm right, right?

 

What you said is definitely accurate. I can't speak about what you implied.

 

I vote the Aerican Empire as 'da best'.

And as to whether I'm being serious or taking it as a big joke.... The answer is "yes."

 

God damn it, I just said it's all a matter of opinion. You can't just...

Wait, damn, their flag is awesome. Yeah... yeah you're probably right.

 

Well I can still say Denmark is the happiest country in the world, because so sayth the worlds happiest country poll.

1. Denmark
It is no surprise that the small Scandinavian nation with a population of 5.5 million has been named the world’s happiest country in this year’s World Happiness Report. Since 1973, the Danes have also topped the European Commission’s Eurobarometer scale, where member states are surveyed to measure the ‘well-being’ and ‘happiness’ of its citizens.
Its capital city Copenhagen was also named the “world’s most liveable city” again earlier this year by the international affairs magazine Monocle for its quality of life. The city is now regarded as one of Europe’s top foodie destinations, with the help of restaurants such as Noma which was named the “world’s best restaurant” last year.
here relevant information also link to the site http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/p...worlds-happiest-countries.html#?frame=2667866

 

Firstly, you're responding to a joke post.

Secondly, you're still wrong, because the quality of a country can only be determined individually by each person, and the rating only applies to themselves.

Ok, so you want a happy country? Fine, you can have one. The site you linked goes on to list places that have a higher quality of life, higher levels of peace, and higher levels of wealth.

For anyone who finds any of those more desirable (screw happiness, I'll go for quality of life thanks), Denmark is clearly not the 'best' country in the world.

Thirdly, that article you linked contradicts itself at least twice, naming both Melbourne Australia, and Copenhagen Denmark as the best cities, and naming Norway the happiest country from a different survey.

Which pretty much screams to me that the article was put together by someone biased.

You're not wrong. It's just that for something like this, you're not right either. It's impossible.

 

Or maybe it's their new codename for Nilbog? Because of the way he stays in a single place and believes himself to be a god-king?
Alternatively, it's the name for their Groot / Ent (mobile form of the Yggdrasil), because Amy misheard when Taylor wanted an army of giant ants, and now they don't know what to do with them.

 

I think it's their backup planet.

 

Metric. Metric for crying out loud. You're trying to encourage people to move to your new planet.

Other then that, it was too understandable to be a truly legal document.

 

Avalon's constitution is amazing! This seems particularly well-designed, with fairly simple language and completely reasonable propositions, which means that it probably will take an hour more than usual for people to start finding flaws in it.

Metric is a pretty good system. And given that Pantheon is going to be working in a large number of alternate Earths, it's definitely the most standardized system you could get, since the Earth seems to be the same size in all the different dimensions.

 

Umm... the Avalonian Imperial standard *is* the metric system. Note the use of "kilometers" in their constitutional document.

Also. Constitutions usually are pretty simple and understandable. It's the laws that come later which get labyrinthine.

 

Usually, yes. In my glorious home state of Louisiana, though, that is sadly not the case.

In the 11 constitutions we've had over the course of 200+ years, the 1921 constitution stands out specifically. Depending on how you judge such things, it could be considered the longest man made document in history once all of its amendments are taken into account. A physical copy resides in Baton Rouge and occupies pride of place across several bookcases.

 

Reminds me of the Autonomist Alliance in Eclipse Phase.

 

What prevents a City State from forcibly conscripting all bordering communities/cities by way of immigration and forced protected vote?

 

Bees.

 

So, QA is probably spitting buds at this point.

I wonder who'll get one?

...Danny?

 

On paper? Not an awful lot. Then again, happens in standard Earth history, too. Look at Texas.

In reality? Well... 2/3 majority is a pretty big ask for conscripting anything large enough to be worth the effort. You'd need to triple the existent population. Plus, immigration has to be streamlined and fair, it doesn't need to be automatic. And lie detection technology is a thing.

Basically... if a nation tried that, they'd discover pretty quickly that their colonists are not considered valid voters in the desired territory. Also: your nation just found itself guilty of attempting to defraud the vote. That's the kind of offense that can get you removed from power.

Now, propaganda recruitment, that's a thing that can and will happen.

Besides, when you really stop to look at it... the nature of the system makes it very VERY easy for a government to destabilize itself with overextension and too many "foreign" members of the populace. It's not like they can retaliate against dissenters. Because.

But, yes, the system is intended to create an active competition to pull the most success out of the territories as possible. Those who can get the best results out of their land will inevitably get more land.

 

Is this governing body wide or planet wide? Of course, logic says it should be for whatever governing body is petitioning, but as with any legal document, minutia like that needs to be specified.

 

Fair enough. I'll edit that to something more clear.

 

double word

This would seem to imply that governments don't have the right to tax for other reasons. Granted, I can't think of an example of something that wouldn't cover.

I'm guessing that this is meant to go hand-in-hand with the other requirement that citizens may freely leave their country.

This is generally what people mean by Imperial measurements.

...

On second thought, this is actually really clever. Just redefine the meaning of "Imperial Measurements," and you can trick all of the backwards countries that still use it into using metric!

Mmm, you can't really specify everything in a document like this - no matter how clearly you define every term, there's always going to be some edge case you haven't anticipated. In that circumstance, you need a judicial body to interpret it. For example: AI's can vote, right? Do 10 near-identical copies of Dragon get 10 votes?

 

This kind of reminds me of the imperial planet from Simon of Space. The whole globe was sectioned out into territories with static boarders, and the only imperial rules were that a government could hold only one territory and that no government could restrict immigration or emigration. The intent there, though, was to apply natural selection to the problem of governing systems.