With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I now have the image of paragon and renegade fighting Tangseid with paragon on renegades shoulders.

Just thought I'd mention it.

 

Lol.

I kind of want Blue Paul of the Young Offenders to get the chance to take Tangseid down.

"You were playing on bloody easy mode, and this is what you go and do?"

 

What I want to know is: How did Sociopath Paul end up with Personable Power Ring? Only Grayvan's Sinistro Ai Yellow Power Ring has anything resembling a personality, and that one is all "Fear Me and Tremble Mortals!" Sort of. Kinda. If you look at from a certain angle and squint your eyes jjjuuusssttt right...

 

Some kind of redemption story for Baul.

Though first he'll have to get a lantern or a power up.

Either the one that made this ring decided to give it more of a personality, or Tangseid gave it one himself.

 

Maybe in Tangsied verse, 2 pauls inserted. One in his normal body and one is his ring. i know its unlikely but i'm trying new suggestions since most reasonable ones have already been made.

 

Tangsied's starting point was 'Paul the atheist utilitarian, with the emotional foundations of average British lad'

Shown by the other Pauls utilitarian tends to stick despite of the version or the ring. Before coming to earth ###, Paul's morality has been something he's investigated and studied. Hence is schooling on the philosophy. Most people don't go cracking out Plato and Machiavelli when they end up in a strange new place. Other Pauls have been more then willing to throw aside social norms now that they have the power to do so. Even without the Evil Sauce. Even Saul's 'fuck the corpse' utility of being emotionally support was both manipulative and norm breaking for the NICE version.

Zoat's a fan of Babylon 5, the with the questioning nature of the vorlons and shadows from there get a reference here and there. Order and Chaos, right and wrong and the exploration of such things. Most Paul stories could be seen as an answer to 'who you are in the dark' but with each it had a ring and events shift the answer a bit to one side or another.

Tangsied's use of the formula DID make him a sociopath of a sort. Which from his current POV is if not an improvement, then a more focused and more utilitarian mindset. Stripping away aspects of himself he on some level saw as holding him back. He understands he's lost aspects of himself, and has enough understanding to want those back, but he's even more utilitarian then before, and admits (or deludes) himself into seeing it as worth it overall for the Ends, even if he didn't understand the full cost of the Means at the time.


Still, poor socialization and poor scientific practice to have doped himself without a fully external review. I'd....hazard a guess that he was a touch less trusting then OL when he showed up, much like how Renegade was a touch more angry. And like each Paul we've seen, that small difference gets amplified as events go forwards.

 

goddamn just do the reset. the difference will be clearer. then you can compare and dose yourself again. all this would be solved with some cybernetic augmentation.

 

“A... or B? A... or B?” - Eye Examiners

 

He used a chemical augmentation because he thought that it wouldn't alter his mind. Now that it has, he doesn't want to undo it for exactly the same reason that he wouldn't have used it if he understood what it did.

If David Kim was around, you'd be on to something. However, any other cybernetic would come without an auto-repair, which would be a major problem if he found himself without a ring.

 

yes, but wouldnt it be the "original" him if he reset it? because it feels like he rather "lost" something in the process.

you know there is nothing stopping you from recreating david's work. since you have a power ring and was born with the ability to learn new skills as a sapiant naturally is. the ring could be theoretically used to teach yourself, science, engineering, medicine, and chemistry to recreate his work.

edit: and math. i forgot to list the most important subject

p.s thank you so much for the link. i just found new hero i like. a scientist hero. victor stone doesnt live up to his potential in my opinion. is david kim still being featured today?

 

Why would new!him care about original!him?

The only nanotech he's seen on Earth to date explicitly eats everything it comes into contact with.

Pass. A glance at the Wikipedia page suggests not.

 

The problem isn't the lack of human lanterns.

It's Tangboy fucking over every other hero's ability to access other parts of the emotional spectrum by mind breaking them with Orange Light. Because without the ability to access and use all the other parts of the emotional spectrum, they can't stop the Blackest Lanterns when they come for the Life Entity.

And that's not even counting all the "can't be mind broken" heroes he would have had to kill that will be brought back by the Black Rings to kill him.

 

Presuming it hasn't been cancelled, there's supposed to be a Milestone revival next year, so he's likely to show up.

DC hasn't included him in the main universe since his appearance as a Green Lantern in Anansi's alternate Justice League which included an Ocean Master who killed his brother and had a spiritual epiphany and a Firestorm who is actually a hivemind.

 

on what exactly? david kim? the concept of a scientist hero? or the cyborg comment.

 

The first I believe answers the question posed by the second.

 

David Kim sounds a bit like Bloodshot. Oddly a non marvel or dc comic character that got a major film in recent years. Hell if we're talking nanotech powered supers not from the big two, maybe we could get a Paul to visit the more recent take on Captain Canuck .

Oh, I forgot that Generator Rex kid. Another source of nanotech that ....ok could possibly destroy the planet. Or Save it.

 

Which is true for a lot of comic characters.

 

Way I understand it is, is that Tangseid wants to stay the way he is now more than Paul wanted to revert himself after abit and since Tangsied is still the ring bearer and is physically the same person, his stronger more recent desire overrides what preserum dude wanted

 

This is shaping up to be quite interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing this play out, as well as see what ramifications OL's actions have had, if we do get to see them. Plus, I assume he'll be working with Jade again for this mission.

 

"Hey Amalak, buddy, did I mention my homesystem has dozens of species, one of them is shapeshifting telepaths the guardians themselves were scared of, and I would like them to read the mind of your most valuable subordinate? Is that cool?"

"...gods, yes, just stop telling me things!"

 

'no doubt'

maybe remove one still.

Maybe you can help with that by using the Honden.

Nothing personal Amalak, it's just that humans have a thing for green space babes.

Maybe the Controllers, or some other Maltusian, can help by doing some genetic tweeking.

maybe 'an ongoing concern'

'strike force'

maybe 'memories'

maybe add a comma 'like to, I don't think'

So were they talking about some Citadelians survivors Amalak fought and maybe managed to recruit?

 

Ah, here to ask for the assistance of Amalak's Coluan adjutant? I suppose he needs a sample to provide the Martians with a general template for Coluan mind-forms...

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That's an interesting idea. Staying on the good side of a clearly powerful being who's done you a few favours, and thus owe him quite a few in turn?

Thought so. Pity you didn't think about that when the anti-Psion alliance got their genocide on...

Probably making all manner of trouble as they wander the sector righting wrongs... And hopefully not being total A-holes.

Hardly. One joy of enlightenment is understanding 'needs must'...

Oh, sure, rule by fear. But then, some people just aren't built to be nice leaders.

Ah, dropping some Solar bullshit on the rest of the galaxy. A nice reminder that some species just naturally win the super-power lottery...

Given that most other systems in the DC universe have maybe one sapient race apiece, and often whole sectors with a monoculture, I shudder at what he'd think of Earth's diverse nations...

Yeah, that's about what the Guardians thought of the Burning Martians. Total nightmare.

Can you imagine the cost of that many explosives? Even if you only set it up to decimate the population, how long will it take them to just go 'eh, it's not that big a deal' and go right back to what they were doing?

I take it Amalak hasn't really been looking into humans... Not that it would be that easy anyway...

He has need of her brain. And not merely in an advisory role...

Yeah, OL can be blunt like that. It's one reason he's so refreshing.

Yes, I think Vril Dox the First is still busy flying around collecting cities in bottles and blowing up planets, is he not?

I see he has sympathy for them. Reminded of his own people's fate?

Not nearly enough. Unless you want to pull an Adam and Eve scenario. And I doubt either Vril Dox or Vran Gozzi here cares for that.

Yes, it's quite the impressive scenario.

As I said, they'll need samples of Coluan mental structures. Don't want to go pulling a Computer Tyrant out by mistake...

That's putting it mildly.

It's nasty drawback the Guardians installed, isn't it? Imagine being forced to spend your time around other people all the damn time. No privacy, no alone time, no secrets... And merely trying to have such things mark you as a little off.

Good idea. God only knows what it's like for the Coluans inside their simulations. For all we know, it's like a massively multiplayer version of Submachine in there...

That'll raise anyone's eyebrow. Now I wonder if Amalak will ask about these 'pornographic performances', just out of curiosity, of course.

...Not really helping their case here, OL. I mean, it's something he needs to be told, I suppose, but... So blunt.

Wasting no time, I see. Let's hope the lady is willing...

And the chain of deals continues. All this to get some skilled intellectuals for the war effort, eh? Certainly, anything that lessens the pressure on Dox is a good thing, though I wonder he's likely to take having other Coluans poking their noses into things...

 

prisoner -> prisoners

forcing -> force

 

And a smart one.

A lapse of judgement I'd say, and at least the race that went extinct was pure evil.

Ehh, now they may not be so desperate due to having a chance at winning.

Plus the types of people they fight, pirates slavers, are kinda assholes themselves.

Vega doesn't exactly breed all that many nice or good leaders.

Except for maybe Tamaran, and even then they have some bad apples, like Komand'r.

I think they actually want to pull out the Tyrants out of the minds of the Coluans.

Or it could be something they've always had, as they're a telepathic species, and the Guardians just chose to leave it there.

Technically this is mostly to free the Coluans and not about the rest of the war effort.

Though if they do manage to free them then maybe some Coluans will want to join and thus L.E.G.I.O.N. gets a bunch of super intelligent members.

 

I don't think it's something the Guardians put in.

I think it may be closest to something like sensory deprivation. Martians are pretty much never without telepathic contact. It literally starts in the womb with them. It's something so omnipresent for them that it's lack is likely felt so extremely because of the contrast.

Point in fact, there's a sort of similar thing in humans. There's special quiet rooms that been designed for various sound testing purposes that completely kill all ambient sound in them. There's a few that are open to the public to try out and all sorts of reactions have been reported from people having trouble with balance and walking, nausea, to even hallucinations. The longest anyone has been in one those rooms, IIRC, was about 45 minutes and I think I remember reading that the guy was literally beating at the door to get let out by the end.

 

When he says diverse species with humans being the dominant one he is including the Harpies, the gnomes, other magical races and synthetic or tech modified races like the genomorphs or the super gorilla's.

The nations of earth aren't remarkable, the cabal of hidden magical civilizations and hidden city states are.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I think it's okay as it is.

No. A going concern is a company which is still trading.

Both are true.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Doesn't really apply here, but in the comics the Burning Martian who made it to Earth, by Vandal's assessment, was depressed and let itself be murdered. Well, after murdering most of Vandal's tribe anyway.

So apparently even at the height of their reproducing by mass murder glory they were very much social animals.

 

Maybe get him in touch with genomorphs or something? Use what little genetic data he does have to remake his species in subtle ways but allow them to live once more?

Kinda like how in JP they put frog DNA for dinosaurs who DNA sequences weren't complete.