Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[dcoconeo]

Changeling feels like the least likely concern really. Even if she gets dragged in front of the mirror… it won't show a changeling?

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It'll likely show a human instead, which is probably worse given the ...bad atittude towards non-Equestrian natives in the current age?
(And of course if it gets to that there would be the giant question of where the Element Of Magic went, who she will attempt to implicate us over?)

 

[AuthorTransient]

Not from me, but really, what can we do about Twilight that isn't blind hope? Unless we roll a nat 100 on whatever related roll that helps, several even, i don't see how we can help without being GREAT, and the NAMES right now wouldn't be of that much help for that mess.

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We just used Selene's Winter realization to soothe dreams, I guess.

 

[Venerable Ro]

We just used Selene's Winter realization to soothe dreams, I guess.

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We did do that, and we're well positioned to keep doing it for the foreseeable future. It's not hard to imagine there's some sort of counter somewhere ticking up, or a progress bar mayhaps.

 

[Limabot]

We did do that, and we're well positioned to keep doing it for the foreseeable future. It's not hard to imagine there's some sort of counter somewhere ticking up, or a progress bar mayhaps.

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Yeah, even if Luna can't make her full public return yet, being able to do at least part of her job again should be broadly beneficial to Equestria.

 

[holylemonaple]

[] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Not from me, but really, what can we do about Twilight that isn't blind hope? Unless we roll a nat 100 on whatever related roll that helps, several even, i don't see how we can help without being GREAT, and the NAMES right now wouldn't be of that much help for that mess.

We could have scried how to help Twilight but action economy and bit hell, right?

I really think that we shouldn't abandon human Twilight because let's be honest, we alredy have alredy practically abandoned Equestria Twilight.

We will figure something out, it shouldn't be more difficult than helping Twilight heal.(which is almost impossible)

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Show Cadance the results of the Forge's Redemption now that she is with us more than she is with Celestia, and let her use it as she sees fit. Y'know, that thing that is about to be revealed to her this turn. Miracle healing raises a lot less questions when an Alicorn does it. If you think she won't repair Shining's horn asap and then offer to do the same for Twilight, then I don't know what to say.

 

[spiderhellian]

We have amazing things to do with Selene's actions, she is hella strong. No need to devote her to Winter realization actions too often.

@OurLadyOfWires Does she have rerolls in her lores now that they're Level 4?

 

[steampvnc1880]

[X] Return home, with Diary and Frangiclave, and fulfill your bargain with the Daughter-of-Axes. (End the dream, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

All this baseless fearmongering about irreverent shit, about the swap.

While when I explain that breaking the connection between Twilight and Celestia, or terrible things will happen to Twilight I get ignored. Despite the fact I had everything the GM had setup pointing to that with facts and logic to prove it, and I get ignored. Their is nothing in this swap plan that the GM has put froward, that all point to their being anything bad happening.

Twilight friendships died early on, Celestia does not care about Twilight, Candace has given up on Twilight, Shining has given up on Twilight, Twilight parents are dead. Nobody is left that will notice are care about the swap.

 

[Alan975]

Twilight friendships died early on, Celestia does not care about Twilight, Candace has given up on Twilight, Shining has given up on Twilight, Twilight parents are dead.

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Have we not been reading the same comments? There are a lot of uncertainties and the biggest problem here is a moral one, not the logistics of getting away with it.

I get ignored. Despite the fact I had everythign the GM had setup pointing to that with facts and logic to prove, and I still get ignored.

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You haven't exactly made yourself understood very well, repeating points and ignoring corrections.

Everything has very much not been pointing towards what you've predicted

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

You haven't exactly made yourself understood very well, repeating points and ignoring corrections.

Everything has very much not been pointing towards what you've predicted

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Everything does because I am bothering to read the GM style and tone, and the logic they use.

None of the blaring read flags that where all over the place back when the option to prevent Twilight from running back to Canterlot to get captured by the Changelings. An event would remind people I called, are present here at all.

Encase you missed the pattern trying to be nice and gentle with Twilight has always been the wrong choice.

 

[dcoconeo]

Their is nothing in this swap plan that the GM has put froward, that all point to their being anything bad happening.

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Point: It says that the swap will work, and it will not cause immediate suspicion, and that we will get a Confidante out of it.
But it also points out there WILL be complications we have to deal with and vote about (as they arise, to be fair), and explicitly points out that Velvet cannot predict the future, be it good or ill?

 

[Alan975]

Everything does because I am bothering to read the GM style and tone, and the logic they use.

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Oh get of your high horse.
You? You have been bothering to "Read the tone"?
Noone else?
Insulting
Especially coming from someone who writes like a 13 year old just discovered what grimdark is

 

[Venerable Ro]

Everything does because I am bothering to read the GM style and tone, and the logic they use.

None of the blaring read flags that where all over the place back when the option to prevent Twilight from running back to Canterlot to get captured by the Changelings. An event would remind people I called, are present here at all.

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Bird has also stated, repeatedly, that he's basing his impression of Velvet's fundamental character on her actions, that is the choices we make. This is a watershed moment, a deliberate unambiguous stance to take on our regard for the sanctity of another being's decisions. Twilight Sparkle has made her current preference very clear to us, she wants us out of her life, to never contact or interact with her again.

This then brings us to the question.

Do we value our wishes over those of others, or do we not?

People can rationalize it all they want, indeed that's what Velvet would be doing, rationalizing it. If you have to rationalize your decisions then maybe you shouldn't be making them, hmm?

It's classical ethics really, like the right to refuse treatment.

 

[AuthorTransient]

And to those voting for the swap, please try to understand what you are voting for. Forgive my acerbic tone, but I'm having trouble separating my diplomacy from my annoyance at those who vote without considering or caring for the importance on the quest going forwards, mechanically and morally and how our relationships will view us (like Silky Stream recognizing something was weird with Selene) and then whine and complain about the results and ask the QM to walk things back.

While it is such a beautifully and painfully tormented written moment, I agree that having Velvet promise something diminishes the questers' agency - but also what were and are you seriously expecting? BirdBodhisattva, Do Not Eat? Seriously, it is supremely aggravating to see people vote for something they would not like and then getting mad at the results. I can't even say that there are no warning signs, but somehow your ego is so arrogant enough despite it all to think that - oh Glory, I actually hope that if the worse result comes about that Bird softens the blow, but like - actually think! Wake up! Be afraid! Think, you questers who are split into two worlds, unless you want the gulf between to expand into oblivion, you must think!

 

[Bakkasama]

Bird has also stated, repeatedly, that he's basing his impression of Velvet's fundamental character on her actions, that is the choices we make. This is a watershed moment, a deliberate unambiguous stance to take on our regard for the sanctity of another being's decisions. Twilight Sparkle has made her current preference very clear to us, she wants us out of her life, to never contact or interact with her again.

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Velvet: Ok, I know that you said that you wanted nothing to do with me and that you never wanted to see me again. So, what if instead you had to interact at least once a week with an alternate universe more boring version of me that is of a different species, so you would not see me when you talk to her? Eh? Eh? She is technically not me, so that is better and you never have to interact with me again! Well, me-me, you would still have to talk to monke Velvet.

 

[Alan975]

Forgive my acerbic tone, but I'm having trouble separating my diplomacy from my annoyance

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By all means, lett lose a bit.

This is a bit like arguing with a racist, no amount of calm discussion will be able to convince someone who has already made up their mind.

I for example have only been argued of my hill a few times so far in this quest, and it was certainly not by someone calmly trying to convince my voter block of why their morals were right.

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Ah, but is that not the perfect way to characterize our arguing?

rulelawering

 

[K4lepo]

[x] Alright, WHERE is Stormchaser? (Look for your dear beloved)
[x] This place has a library. Go take a look.
[x] What is this "cellphone" all the kids are talking about? Why do you have one? And what is this "Internet" thing?

[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)

My only regret is that we went through this entire adventure without running into Sunset and likely won't see her in the future.

 

[Flaregamer82253]

We have amazing things to do with Selene's actions, she is hella strong. No need to devote her to Winter realization actions too often.

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Frankly, I just want to know what it actually does. It may do more or less than we think, and the suspense is killing me.

Show Cadance the results of the Forge's Redemption now that she is with us more than she is with Celestia, and let her use it as she sees fit. Y'know, that thing that is about to be revealed to her this turn. Miracle healing raises a lot less questions when an Alicorn does it. If you think she won't repair Shining's horn asap and then offer to do the same for Twilight, then I don't know what to say.

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Offering this to Twilight is probably 3 turns away at minimum given we have to "reasonably understand" the lores at the sedate pace we chose, and I seriously doubt that we'll be able to just do a FR next turn, then we have to actually do it on Shining Armor and succeed, and then we have to offer it to Twilight, from 3 people she's currently rejecting. There is serious reason to believe that Twilight will reject the offer because of where it's coming from. And even then, 3 turns is a lot of time. A lot about her situation may change in that time.

Bird has also stated, repeatedly, that he's basing his impression of Velvet's fundamental character on her actions, that is the choices we make. This is a watershed moment, a deliberate unambiguous stance to take on our regard for the sanctity of another being's decisions. Twilight Sparkle has made her current preference very clear to us, she wants us out of her life, to never contact or interact with her again.

This then brings us to the question.

Do we value our wishes over those of others, or do we not?

People can rationalize it all they want, indeed that's what Velvet would be doing, rationalizing it. If you have to rationalize your decisions then maybe you shouldn't be making them, hmm?

It's classical ethics really, like the right to refuse treatment.

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I find this to be a really hollow argument when "we've" already had Velvet make a decision for what is basically personal gain:

[][CADANCE] Have hope, and have faith. Have faith in Shining, if not in yourself. Your stallion loves you, and he will not keep you waiting. (Because you will tug at his Leash)

-You will tug at Shining Armor's Leash, and "suggest" him to get a move on and propose to Cadance.
-Cadance will not feel any of it, and will not suspect your actions.
-Cadance will be incredibly happy.
-Free will? What's that?

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So sure, you might know a few things about Shining Armor, but you can't really claim to be close to him. To the point that you know more about him by proxy than from the stallion's own mouth. You know more about Shining Armor thanks to your conversations with Cadance, and maybe Twilight, than because of your own efforts to know him better. And the closest you ever got to a personal conversation with him were… well, the few times the two of you stayed in the Bureau after hours, when you two let one thing or another slip because you were both too tired to keep a professional decorum.

Which is why you feel… conflicted.

In a sense, you even feel like you have taken Cadance's doubts from her back and placed them on your own.

Because now? When, and not "if", Shining Armor follows through? Well, Cadance will not suspect a thing. And she will be happy beyond words to see that her doubts were unfounded. After all, if Shining proposes to her, then of course he really wants it. Why else would he have done it?

Or at least that is what Cadance will think.

You, on the other hoof, will probably spend the rest of your life asking yourself… did Shining Armor really want to do it?

He might not be marrying Cadance due to an order of the crown.

But still, he did not have a choice.

You sit down on the ground as you let out a sigh, your hind hitting against the soft carpet of the guest room. And not for the first time you wish you could close your eyes and see nothing. Odd as it might be, you really miss the sensation of being in a dark room, that false impression that there is nothing around you and that you don't need to worry about anything.

But you can't. Not anymore. Closing your eyes just means the world around you turns bright and crystal clear, or at least that the shadows become as familiar to you as your own name.

So, there is no easy way to push these thoughts away. There is no simple way to make all these… things in your head quiet down.

Especially considering that Shining Armor is not the greatest of your concerns.

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This choice helped us get close to Cadance, which is something that was a multi-turn effort. I know not everyone agreed with this choice back in the day, but it's done and over with now, and it certainly informs me of Velvet's character more than this one ever will. Because Velvet took the simplest decision when there was no risk to herself via discovery, and it's not as though we're ever gonna bring up how Shining's proposal was a sham to Cadance. And I know there's something to say about not adding to the pile, but if I was to roleplay as the mindset of Velvet, then valuing other wishes over her own is not something that this choice would change her feelings on.

A person's character is best understood when choices have neither risk nor repercussions to themself.

 

[AuthorTransient]

Frankly, I just want to know what it actually does. It may do more or less than we think, and the suspense is killing me.

Offering this to Twilight is probably 3 turns away at minimum given we have to "reasonably understand" the lores at the sedate pace we chose, and I seriously doubt that we'll be able to just do a FR next turn, then we have to actually do it on Shining Armor and succeed, and then we have to offer it to Twilight, from 3 people she's currently rejecting. There is serious reason to believe that Twilight will reject the offer because of where it's coming from. And even then, 3 turns is a lot of time. A lot about her situation may change in that time.

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For the better, right? Right?

I find this to be a really hollow argument when "we've" already had Velvet make a decision for what is basically personal gain:

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This choice helped us get close to Cadance, which is something that was a multi-turn effort.

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I joked above, but I remember reading the discussion was about whether or not to make Cadance feel happy - that is, not for our own personal gain (or at least not entirely), compared to this decision.

EDIT: What we do speaks louder than our intentions.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Offering this to Twilight is probably 3 turns away at minimum given we have to "reasonably understand" the lores at the sedate pace we chose, and I seriously doubt that we'll be able to just do a FR next turn, then we have to actually do it on Shining Armor and succeed, and then we have to offer it to Twilight, from 3 people she's currently rejecting. There is serious reason to believe that Twilight will reject the offer because of where it's coming from. And even then, 3 turns is a lot of time. A lot about her situation may change in that time.

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Cadance is not beholden to the Bureau rollout, and I don't know why people think she is. Also you seem to misunderstand who would be doing the FR; it'd be Cadence doing it after she learns it. She's an Alicorn with access to archives and armories and funds to just make this stuff happen between her native bonuses and whatever artifacts are laying around and gathering dust. We know the Royals have them, too, we've been offered artifacts as rewards at least twice now from them.

 

[Venerable Ro]

And I know there's something to say about not adding to the pile, but if I was to roleplay as the mindset of Velvet, then valuing other wishes over her own is not something that this choice would change her feelings on.

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Wouldn't it? The Velvet in that snippet is deeply conflicted over her decision, she made a choice but she's not at all certain it was the right choice.

This is the second time Velvet is faced with a decision like this, it's the moment where she either chooses to double down or choses to make different choices.

A person's character is best understood when choices have neither risk nor repercussions to themself.

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Yes, precisely! Velvet faces no risk, nothing hangs in the balance but someone else's wellbeing. She's made a choice like this before, this is the opportunity to show how her character has developed from that last choice. Was it a mistake that she won't repeat, or was it a lesson about justifiable means?

 

[OurLadyOfWires]

@OurLadyOfWires Would it perhaps be possible to have one leave option and vote on the swap later? Since a few people are still only submitting options for searching.

Would be a shame if that determines the result.

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No need, things seem to be working as intended.

People who don't mind can vote for both leaving and staying, people who just want either can vote for either, on whatever flavor they want.

All is well.

@OurLadyOfWires Does she have rerolls in her lores now that they're Level 4?

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Yes, rerolls are a function of Level 4, not of any personal abilities unrelated to the Lores. And it's the kind of thing that applies to everyone, not just Velvet.



In other news, calm down guys, I saw one or two personal attacks, so do try to chill. Attack the argument, not the person.

Voting is progressing as intended, and most of the things I will take in consideration should either vote win has already been mentioned at least in passing. So I am at peace that people at least had the chance to consider them.
Also, I have no idea when I'll be able to write, because I am looking at an obscenely busy rest-of-the-week / weekend ahead of me. So, no idea of when the vote will be closed.

I hope you are all doing well. Good night.


EDIT: Current tally

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Vote Tally : Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience | Page 328 | Questionable Questing [Posts: 9853-10038]
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[X] Return home, with Diary and Frangiclave, and fulfill your bargain with the Daughter-of-Axes. (End the dream, and redistribute your remaining action points.)
No. of Votes: 25

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Random Anon
[X] Anjaxis
[X] Arrkhon
[X] AuthorTransient
[X] Clueless777
[X] Cochimetl
[X] Daveeed
[X] dcoconeo
[X] DelightedOne
[X] Greymere
[X] LieutenantSpirit
[X] Limabot
[X] Machine Elf
[X] MisRAR1
[X] Nevermort
[X] poyac
[X] Quaxotia
[X] Qwoptermain
[X] Solace2117
[X] steampvnc1880
[X] Sveta08
[X] Talon Tiger Dino
[X] Turamarth
[X] Venerable Ro
[X] Zxzx24

[X] Return home, with Diary, Frangiclave, and something else besides. Or rather, someone. (End the dream, bringing Twilight Sparkle with you, and redistribute your remaining action points.)
No. of Votes: 20

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Earth-Destroyer
[X] Alan975
[X] Artemis_Fowl_2nd
[X] Calico J
[X] darknessworld
[X] des-pair-2
[X] Diamondfiend
[X] EigengrauFox
[X] Flaregamer82253
[X] holylemonaple
[X] IronHydra
[X] K4lepo
[X] Kairae
[X] Portec
[X] Potdl
[X] Rafuki22
[X] retrueno
[X] Shaper47
[X] spiderhellian
[X] Witherbrine2671

[X] This place has a library. Go take a look.
No. of Votes: 14

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Nevermort
[X] Alan975
[X] Arrkhon
[X] Calico J
[X] DelightedOne
[x] Diamondfiend
[x] Earth-Destroyer
[X] HellFire666
[x] K4lepo
[X] Limabot
[X] Quaxotia
[X] Qwoptermain
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Witherbrine2671

[X] What is this "cellphone" all the kids are talking about? Why do you have one? And what is this "Internet" thing?
No. of Votes: 12

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Nevermort
[X] Alan975
[X] Arrkhon
[X] DelightedOne
[x] Diamondfiend
[x] Earth-Destroyer
[X] HellFire666
[x] K4lepo
[X] Limabot
[X] Quaxotia
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Witherbrine2671

[X] They are young and impressionable. Thankfully, you are a responsible adult. (Hang out with Rarity and Fluttershy, your real-life confidantes)
No. of Votes: 11

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Nevermort
[X] Alan975
[X] Calico J
[X] DelightedOne
[X] HellFire666
[X] keykigdom
[X] Limabot
[X] Quaxotia
[X] Qwoptermain
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Witherbrine2671

[X] "Is there anything on your mind, Miss Jack?" (Approach Applejack)
No. of Votes: 8

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Nevermort
[X] Alan975
[X] Arrkhon
[X] DelightedOne
[x] Earth-Destroyer
[X] keykigdom
[X] Limabot
[X] Qwoptermain

[X] Alright, WHERE is Stormchaser? (Look for your dear beloved)
No. of Votes: 6

Spoiler: Voters

[x] Earth-Destroyer
[x] Diamondfiend
[x] K4lepo
[X] keykigdom
[X] Limabot
[X] Rafuki22

[X] "To be honest? I think your job is better than mine." (Approach Cheerilee. She is here… somewhere)
No. of Votes: 1

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Qwoptermain

[X] "Yes, it's about your daughter. What class I teach her? Well…" (Approach the Rich parents)
No. of Votes: 1

Spoiler: Voters

[X] Calico J

Total No. of Voters: 47

 

[Cochimetl]

It's not the same choice though.
Velvet has shown that she's willing to ignore another pony's free will for what she thinks is best for them, i.e. Shining Armour proposing to Cadence.
This choice is about ignoring another pony's free will for what she thinks is best for someone else. EQG:Twilight and Velvet will profit, not pony!Twilight.

 

[Calico J]

There's been a whole lot of people getting on their high horse about the morality and how terrible and selfish it would be to do the Twilight swap, but I haven't seen anyone actually answer the questions I posed a while back. What, precisely and exactly, is the plan for helping Twilight's problems if we leave her in Equestria? How many resources will we devote, and will we see it through in the face of chaotic events and demands on our limited time? Until these are answered, I continue to view leaving her in Equestria as simply a way to ignore the problem and kick the can down the road until it's too late, all the while pretending our hands are cleaner this way.

The fact is, here she'd be in a society where psychotherapy has become an actual scientific discipline, as well as being surrounded by people who genuinely love her, even if they don't believe what she may say about ponies and magic. People who would actually be there for her, not just "maybe Cadence will drop by when her duties bring her into the same town." And giving her a clean separation from magic might well be healthier for her than leaving her there struggling to open a door with a splintered horn stump. Putting Twilight here honestly seems like the more ethical choice than keeping her in Ponyville staring at the wall, alone, while we hope a deus ex machina someday somehow fixes it.

I frankly couldn't care less if people want to accuse Velvet of being selfish by doing this. If the ethical choice and the selfish choice are the same thing, Velvet can be as selfish as she wants and more power to her.

 

[Greymere]

This is a bit like arguing with a racist, no amount of calm discussion will be able to convince someone who has already made up their mind.

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That comparison is uncalled for.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

There's been a whole lot of people getting on their high horse about the morality and how terrible and selfish it would be to do the Twilight swap, but I haven't seen anyone actually answer the questions I posed a while back. What, precisely and exactly, is the plan for helping Twilight's problems if we leave her in Equestria? How many resources will we devote, and will we see it through in the face of chaotic events and demands on our limited time? Until these are answered, I continue to view leaving her in Equestria as simply a way to ignore the problem and kick the can down the road until it's too late, all the while pretending our hands are cleaner this way.

The fact is, here she'd be in a society where psychotherapy has become an actual scientific discipline, as well as being surrounded by people who genuinely love her, even if they don't believe what she may say about ponies and magic. People who would actually be there for her, not just "maybe Cadence will drop by when her duties bring her into the same town." And giving her a clean separation from magic might well be healthier for her than leaving her there struggling to open a door with a splintered horn stump. Putting Twilight here honestly seems like the more ethical choice than keeping her in Ponyville staring at the wall, alone, while we hope a deus ex machina someday somehow fixes it.

I frankly couldn't care less if people want to accuse Velvet of being selfish by doing this. If the ethical choice and the selfish choice are the same thing, Velvet can be as selfish as she wants and more power to her.

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Modern psychotherapy won't help with traumatic events it refuses to consider real. Instead, it will view her issues with dead parents and a dead younger sibling and a complete loss of magic and an unasked for body swap to all be delusions. And will attempt to treat her as such. In short, a second round of massive gaslighting where no one believes her she gets to slog through, except worse. Because the first bout of that was so very helpful for her.

And to be very blunt, people are very quick to write off Velvet as a lost cause never to heal when it's been what, a few months since her life went completely to hell? I've had longer bouts of depression without anyone close to me dying at all. Recovery takes time and is not helped by having one's entire life kicked out from under them all over again. The best we can do for her is to stop screwing with her, because the swap is not a cure.

 

[Arrkhon]

There's been a whole lot of people getting on their high horse about the morality and how terrible and selfish it would be to do the Twilight swap, but I haven't seen anyone actually answer the questions I posed a while back. What, precisely and exactly, is the plan for helping Twilight's problems if we leave her in Equestria?

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Honoring her wishes and not getting involved with her directly of course, also we are telling Cadance about that funky Forge healing ritual, and if we were willing to stop honoring her wishes we have several ways of rapidly getting her into a better mental and physical shape with our resources and allies that doesn't require us to fuck her over even harder by throwing her into another world in order to get a new Twilight for ourselves

 

[Nevermort]

Cadance is not beholden to the Bureau rollout, and I don't know why people think she is. Also you seem to misunderstand who would be doing the FR; it'd be Cadence doing it after she learns it. She's an Alicorn with access to archives and armories and funds to just make this stuff happen between her native bonuses and whatever artifacts are laying around and gathering dust. We know the Royals have them, too, we've been offered artifacts as rewards at least twice now from them.

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Weren't we told that Cadence can't learn lores yet, as Celestia will notice it? Even if it is not the case it took forever to teach Luna lores, were we will get spare actions to teach Cadence? The same for soothing the night with Luna, I think we have better tasks for her than spamming it every turn. And weren't people here claiming that they don't want to spend multiple actions on hiding human Twilight if it comes to this? Why would they spend it on helping pony Twilight instead?

It's not the same choice though.
Velvet has shown that she's willing to ignore another pony's free will for what she thinks is best for them, i.e. Shining Armour proposing to Cadence.
This choice is about ignoring another pony's free will for what she thinks is best for someone else. EQG:Twilight and Velvet will profit, not pony!Twilight.

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Yes. But she already decided for all ponykind once, when she broke tribal door with regrettable action.
Also there is no Hour of good moral decisions. I guess choosing to indulge into what Velvet wants and what human Twilight desires would be Grail. And we already started to use Mareinette for social interactions, so it is not totally out of characters for Velvet.

At the same time suffering for the good cause is still suffering and thus is under Wolf's aegis. Velvet will certainly suffer if forced to leave Twilight, and human Twilight would not be happy too. But then we are likely to get more content with Soft's grief group as they are tied to Pony Twilight plotline, so I don't mind it.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Weren't we told that Cadence can't learn lores yet, as Celestia will notice it? Even if it is not the case it took forever to teach Luna lores, were we will get spare actions to teach Cadence? The same for soothing the night with Luna, I think we have better tasks for her than spamming it every turn. And weren't people here claiming that they don't want to spend multiple actions on hiding human Twilight if it comes to this? Why would they spend it on helping pony Twilight instead?

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I believe we were told that before Celestia started learning the Lores herself and started having ponies poke the Eldritch mysteries. Circumstances around the spooky magics have changed.

As for taking forever to teach the Lores, yeah,of we wanted Cadance to be have 4s in all her stuff like Luna, that'd take ages. But she doesn't need that as an Alicorn to slap some horns back together, because unlike Selene Cadance has a treasury with Artifacts ready and willing to sub in for her trash-tier lore levels, and enough money to pay off Velvet for the cost of making some really good reagents.

Although part of me now imagines a scene where Celestia discovers her own copy of the Forge's Redemption and orders Shining "repaired" so that he can better serve the kingdom.