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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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A petty squabble or argument. i.e., about as significant as children throwing bread rolls at each other and probably about as dignified.
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is "flamewar" an equivalent word?
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Can New Gods reach enlightenment? Or do you need to be enlightened before you become a new god to reach enlightenment? I think I remember reading that someone who is enlightened can learn to wield their light without a power ring. Lantern Stewart from I think Earth-10 was awakened by Grayven and he can use the green light without a ring. Is that because he spent time in the Central Power battery or is that a feature of being an enlightened new god? Do you need a power ring to do things like assimilate people with the orange light or create portals with the Indigo light or ressurect people with the white light or are those abilities tied to the rings?
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Probably.
Darkseid has black quote marks, so jthers may be able to do something like that.
No.
Several people that have become New Gods were not enlightened.
It was the time spent in the battery.
Renegade just manipulated the energy inside him to let him use it without a ring.
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No. You can't have a flamewar in person. And the participants in a bunfight can be quite genuine and focused.
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I hope we get to see the moment he realizes he fucked the entire universe.
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Maybe he gives them the speech Earth 12!J'onn gave during the Justice Guild incident: "Perhaps the creators of [insert media] had a subconscious link to [insert parallel]. What they thought was merely imagination was a physic memory of [fictional characters] real exploits."
Nondescript Character: "But, wait, how come you can arrive during the series without that affect-"
Paul: "Oh, look at that! Klarion's returned and got a new Teekl! Time to get a new construct cat bye!"
Even then, I don't think they have any proper way to get in contact with Ambush Bug. Or the imps like Bat-Mite or Mxy (at the very least I recall Superman having encountered him before), but intentionally bringing them to Earth 16 is more trouble than its worth.
Not just the comics, every piece of DC media that has and hasn't been published.
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How would we, though? The show as produced on Earth 16 would obviously be different from the universe that he visited, wouldn't it?
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Unfortunately, there's one international transportation network that's up and running.
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The dolman gates??
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People really think they can just use the teleportation network that was brought to global attention by a superhero for drug trafficking without being noticed?
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'to the'?
So I'm guessing we'll be seeing some sort of drug that directly stimulates the pleasure centre via magic or technology. Probably super addictive like the tasp and droud from Ringworld. Obvious association with happiness is Boss Smiley, but we've been told he isn't doing much at the moment because he wants humanity to be able to protect itself from existential threats.
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Thank you, corrected.
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Honestly? That would probably be a bad idea.
Best case scenario the check up happens before everything in Sailor Moon dies, in which case the Sailor Scouts should have found out about the Sailor Crystal he stole and handed to his counterpart.
Worst case scenario, it's after either Galaxia has destroyed the planet or one of the big bads has jacked the Silver Crystal.
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The Metallia fight was the one where everyone dies and the Silver Crystal revived them as a deus ex machina, so we're past that point already. Anything afterwards is manageable. By now, the Silver Crystal will be back with Moon. Venus had it last and wouldn't keep it. At least I think she had it last. I suppose with the bloodline spell off it might not matter, but it's still part of her soul, if I'm remembering my lore properly. There're ways to get that back up.
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Over the course of the series several different big bads get their hands on the Silver Crystal.
The only thing protecting the world when that happens is the bloodline protection that was removed.
Also, Orange Lantern mooned Galaxia and stole a star seed from her to give to his counterpart. So, yeah, the world is doomed.
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Thank you, corrected.
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29th August 2013
22:29 GMT -5
I jerk back in the air to avoid a thrown… Tire iron? And get back to trying to purge whatever exotic narcotic this is from… Timothy Symons. I don't know if he overdosed or it's just this deadly, but it's trying to do nasty things to his central nervous system.
"So how's college..? Stuff going?"
A henchman tries bringing an automatic rifle to bear on Artemis, only for Wallace to speed across the… Building site, and send him flying with a narrowly subsonic right hook.
"Ah, it's not. We only had-"
He flickers to the side as the drugged-up OMAC serving as the gang's muscle calls in a shot from orbit, narrowly missing him.
"-four months before-"
Artemis finally stuns the last of the drug-maddened unfortunates who tried to dogpile her without realising that she was super tough, and recovers her bow.
"-the Anti-Life happened."
It's fascinating; I think I've got the last of it out of his body and it just… Reappears. Which suggests… Either that it's dimensionally exotic, or it's magically forming a conceptual link-. Which I wouldn't be able to detect, because power rings struggle directly detecting magic and the spell wouldn't have to be on the subject…
"How are they handling-"
Wallace dashes past the OMAC, who swings at him and misses. Wallace doesn't try to hit him, but instead tosses something at his face.
"-that?"
Artemis sights, notches, draws and looses, and the chap who is trying to do something on the computer finds an arrow sticking in the screen right in front of his face.
"Ah, it varies. The younger kids are just going back to class. For everyone else, it kinda depends on how badly the local infrastructure got messed up."
There should be something… Ah, yes! A little twinkle we can feed on. And just like that, he doesn't get dosed again. Give it a moment just in case…
"I meant, for you."
"I just got a couple of extra essays and I can just carry on like it never happened. Kid's gotta redo the year."
"Really? Oh, and I fixed this guy."
The OMAC is down on one knee, but clearly trying to get back up. Wallace looks at him in concern. "Huh. That was a big dose of tranquiliser."
"Aren't OMACs immune to mind-altering chemicals?"
"Yeah, but not magic. Turns out that sending people to sleep with alchemy is pretty easy." The OMAC swipes at him, and he sidesteps. "Unless they're OMACs, I guess."
I gently putmy test subject Mr. Symons down and close in on the OMAC. Reach out… Got it.
The OMAC's eyes widen slightly, his face relaxing. And then he lets Wallace's tranquiliser have its intended effect, and collapses to the ground.
Wallace smiles. "Alright. Let me just-" He blurs away and then reappears, I.T. technician dragged back with one hand and the computer hard disk in the other. "-grab some stuff."
The technician stares around in surprise, then does the hot-foot dance as he realises that the friction set his shoes on fire.
"You really have to repeat the whole year?"
"Yeah, our professor didn't make it, and most of the class didn't come back after…"
"Did they die?"
"No-. I mean, not.. all of them. But it's like… With how the economy's going, it's not all that obvious how a Chemistry degree's gunna turn into a job."
Which is… Fair enough, I suppose. I nod sympathetically as I recover and zip tie the fallen before ensuring that I've purged their systems.
"Plus, a lot of families can't afford to pay tuition any more…" He shrugs. "Courses are getting cut. Mine's still gunna run, but with all of…" He nods at me and Artemis. "This, I couldn't fit the first year in the first year. And…"
Artemis raises an eyebrow as she calls the local police. "And?"
"A-hhhhh…" Wallace sighs. "I don't know if it's worth it."
She frowns. "Huh?"
Ah…
"They're not wrong about the job market. And I was.. kinda thinking about making alchemy a full time thing, and the F.D.A.'s basically shut down at the moment…"
"They're not gunna be shut down forever, Kid."
"I… Figure if I can get Doctor Mist to sign off on something being useful and effective, I can go over their heads."
Artemis hesitates for a moment, before turning to me. "Is..? That how it works right now?"
"Effectively, yes. The Justice League has a lot of leeway in handling the current crisis. If Kid Flash can create a potion that -for example- rapidly regenerates wounds and can't easily be weaponised, it's perfectly possible to bypass the normal regulatory steps."
"Actually, I've been working on a bio-regulator potion. A couple of the guys in my class have diabetes. Insulin prices in the U.S. have been kinda crazy for a while, so I figured it would be a good place to start, then..."
I nod, painfully aware of how many people with chronic conditions died even after we purged the Earth of Anti-Life. My sister used to work for… And maybe still does work for, an international pharmaceuticals company, so I had some idea of how many countries medicines get shipped around between before being sold to the end user even before coming here. And that could be a problem in war zones, but… This whole planet has become a war zone several times. We're making an effort to rebuild in such a way that essentials don't need to get shipped further than they absolutely have to -and to be fair that's something that most governments were working on before the Anti-Life happened- but it's… Not easy, rearranging things like that.
"If Doctor Mist signs off on the efficaciousness, I can ship it. I can probably arrange for shipping reagents in bulk, too."
"Thanks, but what about when you're not on Earth?"
"No, I meant that Cadbury Shipping can handle it. We're basically magical Amazon these days."
"Okay, ah… Can we talk about this after we hand these guys over?"
"Sure." I nod. "Though a man you've probably never met called Oliver Queen is my proxy, and he knows more about the company than I do."
"I… May have heard of him." He looks away at the sound of police sirens. "Meet up and talk about it later?"
"Yes. Ah. And in relation to this case, I'll put it my report, but I think the drugs were using some sort of conceptual link. I'm not sure why or how or whether it needed someone to deliberately activate it, but there was definitely an ongoing magic effect even after I removed the drug."
Artemis nod. "Do you think Batman will let us interrogate the OMAC, or-"
The air around the OMAC glows, and two more OMACs appear. We get a polite nod, and then they bind their compatriot before teleporting away again.
"-will that happen?"
22:29 GMT -5
I jerk back in the air to avoid a thrown… Tire iron? And get back to trying to purge whatever exotic narcotic this is from… Timothy Symons. I don't know if he overdosed or it's just this deadly, but it's trying to do nasty things to his central nervous system.
"So how's college..? Stuff going?"
A henchman tries bringing an automatic rifle to bear on Artemis, only for Wallace to speed across the… Building site, and send him flying with a narrowly subsonic right hook.
"Ah, it's not. We only had-"
He flickers to the side as the drugged-up OMAC serving as the gang's muscle calls in a shot from orbit, narrowly missing him.
"-four months before-"
Artemis finally stuns the last of the drug-maddened unfortunates who tried to dogpile her without realising that she was super tough, and recovers her bow.
"-the Anti-Life happened."
It's fascinating; I think I've got the last of it out of his body and it just… Reappears. Which suggests… Either that it's dimensionally exotic, or it's magically forming a conceptual link-. Which I wouldn't be able to detect, because power rings struggle directly detecting magic and the spell wouldn't have to be on the subject…
"How are they handling-"
Wallace dashes past the OMAC, who swings at him and misses. Wallace doesn't try to hit him, but instead tosses something at his face.
"-that?"
Artemis sights, notches, draws and looses, and the chap who is trying to do something on the computer finds an arrow sticking in the screen right in front of his face.
"Ah, it varies. The younger kids are just going back to class. For everyone else, it kinda depends on how badly the local infrastructure got messed up."
There should be something… Ah, yes! A little twinkle we can feed on. And just like that, he doesn't get dosed again. Give it a moment just in case…
"I meant, for you."
"I just got a couple of extra essays and I can just carry on like it never happened. Kid's gotta redo the year."
"Really? Oh, and I fixed this guy."
The OMAC is down on one knee, but clearly trying to get back up. Wallace looks at him in concern. "Huh. That was a big dose of tranquiliser."
"Aren't OMACs immune to mind-altering chemicals?"
"Yeah, but not magic. Turns out that sending people to sleep with alchemy is pretty easy." The OMAC swipes at him, and he sidesteps. "Unless they're OMACs, I guess."
I gently put
The OMAC's eyes widen slightly, his face relaxing. And then he lets Wallace's tranquiliser have its intended effect, and collapses to the ground.
Wallace smiles. "Alright. Let me just-" He blurs away and then reappears, I.T. technician dragged back with one hand and the computer hard disk in the other. "-grab some stuff."
The technician stares around in surprise, then does the hot-foot dance as he realises that the friction set his shoes on fire.
"You really have to repeat the whole year?"
"Yeah, our professor didn't make it, and most of the class didn't come back after…"
"Did they die?"
"No-. I mean, not.. all of them. But it's like… With how the economy's going, it's not all that obvious how a Chemistry degree's gunna turn into a job."
Which is… Fair enough, I suppose. I nod sympathetically as I recover and zip tie the fallen before ensuring that I've purged their systems.
"Plus, a lot of families can't afford to pay tuition any more…" He shrugs. "Courses are getting cut. Mine's still gunna run, but with all of…" He nods at me and Artemis. "This, I couldn't fit the first year in the first year. And…"
Artemis raises an eyebrow as she calls the local police. "And?"
"A-hhhhh…" Wallace sighs. "I don't know if it's worth it."
She frowns. "Huh?"
Ah…
"They're not wrong about the job market. And I was.. kinda thinking about making alchemy a full time thing, and the F.D.A.'s basically shut down at the moment…"
"They're not gunna be shut down forever, Kid."
"I… Figure if I can get Doctor Mist to sign off on something being useful and effective, I can go over their heads."
Artemis hesitates for a moment, before turning to me. "Is..? That how it works right now?"
"Effectively, yes. The Justice League has a lot of leeway in handling the current crisis. If Kid Flash can create a potion that -for example- rapidly regenerates wounds and can't easily be weaponised, it's perfectly possible to bypass the normal regulatory steps."
"Actually, I've been working on a bio-regulator potion. A couple of the guys in my class have diabetes. Insulin prices in the U.S. have been kinda crazy for a while, so I figured it would be a good place to start, then..."
I nod, painfully aware of how many people with chronic conditions died even after we purged the Earth of Anti-Life. My sister used to work for… And maybe still does work for, an international pharmaceuticals company, so I had some idea of how many countries medicines get shipped around between before being sold to the end user even before coming here. And that could be a problem in war zones, but… This whole planet has become a war zone several times. We're making an effort to rebuild in such a way that essentials don't need to get shipped further than they absolutely have to -and to be fair that's something that most governments were working on before the Anti-Life happened- but it's… Not easy, rearranging things like that.
"If Doctor Mist signs off on the efficaciousness, I can ship it. I can probably arrange for shipping reagents in bulk, too."
"Thanks, but what about when you're not on Earth?"
"No, I meant that Cadbury Shipping can handle it. We're basically magical Amazon these days."
"Okay, ah… Can we talk about this after we hand these guys over?"
"Sure." I nod. "Though a man you've probably never met called Oliver Queen is my proxy, and he knows more about the company than I do."
"I… May have heard of him." He looks away at the sound of police sirens. "Meet up and talk about it later?"
"Yes. Ah. And in relation to this case, I'll put it my report, but I think the drugs were using some sort of conceptual link. I'm not sure why or how or whether it needed someone to deliberately activate it, but there was definitely an ongoing magic effect even after I removed the drug."
Artemis nod. "Do you think Batman will let us interrogate the OMAC, or-"
The air around the OMAC glows, and two more OMACs appear. We get a polite nod, and then they bind their compatriot before teleporting away again.
"-will that happen?"
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I'm a little surprised to see an OMAC being used by evil again so soon.
I'm waiting for Batman to experience the downfall of hubris.
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Just watch out about using names, and you can probably discuss just about anything while doing cape work, I suppose. I'm guessing the drugs are something mystical, then, if he's having that much difficulty, though.
Heh, abusing physics to his advantage. Given I remember Flash panels where he lets of tiny sonic-boom finger-snaps next to people's heads as knock-out punches, it's believable.
Okay, that's a worry. Did they drug the operator before he was powered up and somehow made it stick? You'd think any orbital support systems would have better target-confirmation methods, though.
May have been inconvenient at first, but I bet she's loving the Danner Formula now.
And you definitely don't want it doing whatever it's trying to do. I would presume he's gotten overdosed somehow and the results would be fatal.
Smart move. Given the OMACs are on par with Danner enhanciles at the bare minimum, taking them in with strength is a bad idea. Fortunately Wally has far better options for fighting super-strong but not especially super-fast foes.
Sadly, unless that's a laptop, that doesn't necessarily stop him if he was using text commands. Clicking something like 'select all' and 'permanently delete' is a bit harder without a GUI but not impossible.
Interesting. The drugs created a persistent spell effect that kept him dosed up after all that purging. I'm guessing it creates a persistent high until the spell expires, and then you crash hard.
I expect some courses were easier to get back on track than others. But yes, Most would need to restart the whole curriculum of the year. Especially those relying on practical or expanding knowledge sets.
Magical alchemical tranquillisers would probably be more effective, but I guess this one was running a healing factor or magic resistance.
So one of KF's preferred techniques for takedowns now is to pop a capsule of magically-safe knockout gas in someone's face at superspeed. No need to gauge a perp's mass or metabolism for safe dosage when the effect is just 'take a deep nap'.
I assume OL just grabbed a hold of his desire to keep fighting and turned it down, huh?
Heh, amusing. the drawback of no Speed Force here: non-speedsters interacting with them have to deal with the effect of normal physics. And KF isn't nearly strong enough to haul a guy over his shoulder and carry a system case. Thus, dragging the guy with his heels on the ground...
Those that didn't would probably have reconsidered their planned career path, I expect.
Whereas jobs doing unskilled physical labour would be in high demand.
Honestly, you could write it all off as a gap year.
He could always lean into the alchemical work, develop methods for functional mass production. Like, thousand-litre kegs of healing potions that remain effective when shipped in normal-dosage bottles, that sort of thing.
I'm guessing magical healing methods are going to get more popular, especially if they're cheaper.
OL can't comment on the Justice League taking over the world, or otherwise, remember.
So, something that brings you back to a sort of platonic ideal of healthy, but for long-term chemical deficiencies rather than short-term injuries? Not a permanent fix, but able to keep someone from getting ill...
At least now, offshore manufacturing is less commercially profitable than 'send the materials here to produce the ingredients, send them there to produce the medicines, then ship them to that other place for distribution.'
KF, OL doesn't need to do it himself, remember?
I'm guessing he wants to discuss details not fit for company not in the know.
Ah, yes, the awkward dance of 'I know you know this person professionally, but your civilian identity has no logical reasons to have met you'. The joy of maintaining '''secret''' identities...
Which suggests someone magical was involved in the production process. That's got to be an angle of investigation.
Oh, joy. Internal Affairs processes will probably keep that one locked down until they work out how he was turned... And OL will probably never ask Batman about it.
To be fair to the teens, who wouldn't expect higher education to get messed up during a global crisis? I wouldn't be surprised to see primary and secondary education also struggling to get back on track even now. At least the college-age folks can take a gap year or two and try again once things have settled down...
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Surprised that Brother Eye doesn't just cut off the power to this guy. Maybe they decided not to bother because they were confident they could handle it, but I'm pretty sure an OMAC is a potentially lethal threat given that IIRC they have telefrag bombs.
I figured that was Kid Flash thinking it would be funny to make the guy dance. I don't think he gives people whiplash or that they get hurt by air resistance, right? I think this is a demonstration of him being more able to choose when physics applies.
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He's waiting in line behind Orange Lantern.
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We've seen things blow up in Paul's face a few times already. But we haven't seen it happen to Batman yet.