With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

...what?
Hinon: your lanterns haven't gone crazy. We want to work out why.
Grayven: I think tamaranians are just resistant.
You: no it's because you're a bad teacher.

I know we just got done with talking about this being pointless but... Are you even seeing the same update we are?

 

No. However, I'd love to read the same story he reads, side by side with this one. It could be interesting.

 

hush now papa Grayven's a good teacher.

but honestly, I was thinking about it in more the sense of knowing when to get of the student's way.

I'm pretty sure in a hypothetical AU where for some reason Tamaranian culture didn't have that effect he'd step in an give advice, if for no other reason than it gets him a small empire.

 

So basically put the thing he is blaming for them going crazy is the thing that's keeping so many of them sane.

Talk about irony.

 

What the fuck are you talking about? He SPECIFICALLY is saying that Tamaranians DON'T go crazy.

 

Ah, no, they do, just not often and they usually recover. One advantage of them having to return to the Central Power Battery to recharge means that as long as Hinon hangs around there she can check them.

 

I was imprecise. I was refuting Vaermina's claim that Grayven was blaming Tamaranian culture for them going crazy.

 

I mean, it's not that uncommon. When it does legitimately happen, one of us points it out and it gets retconned, handwaved, or lampshaded. (Nice thing about this format -- retcons can actually be retroactive instead of pretending that the old thing didn't happen.)

Sure he is. Not much of a conqueror if you can't KEEP that which you have taken. He said "at present" -- expansion comes after he gets the base secure.

 

Wow, sure is quiet around here now that I blocked Vaermina. I wonder if it’s connected, somehow.

 

Yeah, but I'm not sure if I'd really count those. Official DC comic writers still make mistakes and typos too, they just have editors and proofreaders. Zoat has us. If he makes a mistake and its fixed within all of 15 minutes, I'd just call that a typo.

 

Well, this is just a shit-show of a situation.

Also, what does this mean:
"Which means I guess they change ends when matter changes polarity?"
?

 

Paul... You need to stop helping the mass murdering psychopaths just because they look like people you know...

 

I expect the Star does exist and is taken about as seriously as the Enquirer...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

They published stories about Ultraman...

So, determined to present the truth, regardless of the risk to themselves. Also, Vibe's alt is on death row at 17? What for?

Privacy, always handy.

"I should.. probably warn you that our premises are monitored…

It's like watching a child playing at spies.

And only in a comic-book universe would that be a believable explanation. Fortunately...

It's a personal Crusade. Of course he's a little.. Focused.

Presumably, the Cops would have accepted bribes to turn a blind eye. Soldiers, not so able.

That would be political suicide.

...Wow.

Let's hope this doesn't get as dumb as that did.

Blind hatred knows no logic.

And it's hard to back down from a threat that big without looking weak, either. The Management were hosed either way.

This feels a bit odd. Perhaps 'there'?

Yep, this is a tangled web that's been woven. At this rate it might take the Damocles method to sort out.

 

Marvel's Civil War had some dumb stuff but the concept itself was fascinating for me. Of course, the execution wasn't that good either, when it was clear which one was the good and the bad side of the conflict. And then some time later I read a... Tie-in or something? About the guys imprisoned on the Negative Zone and uff... there weren't just good and bad side, there was good and superheroes-turned-supervillains side.

This situation looks bad allover but it's really nuanced and complex. At this point the goal is trying to reach an understating between the parties that, while not perfect, manages to keep the country standing and most can live with.

By the way, I didn't know the stuff about the Japanese offering surrender before the bombs and just read some details about it; can somebody explain it to me a bit more, unbiasedly? 'Cause I need some context on that.

 

It's true, but the Japanese did some horrific shit that they didn't deserve a conditional surrender over. KnowingBetter has a good video of it.

 

I don't know if that actually happened, I do remember that the Emperor at the time did want to for while before the bombs were dropped but was pushed out of official power by the top military brass. The thing to remember is that the Japanese cult of the warrior at the time took death before dishonor VERY, VERY seriously being quite willing to die in near pointless attacks to avoid capture and from what I have heard near the end school children were training in melee weapon use in order to kill soldiers, members of the military leadership wanted plans from Scientists for the population to live under ground and basically eat rocks in order avoid having to surrender in the face of a enemy that had Atomic bombs. The Japanese leadership also convinced women and civilians on some of the last islands we captured during WWII that American soldiers were so horrible that basically all those Japanese killed them selves or each other rather than surrender.

Or go with the classic movie Bridge on the River Kwai which, despite depicting torture and ending with the death all the main characters, is a light and fluffy version of the building of the Burma Railway, also known as the Death Railway, by the Japanese between '42 and '43. Which still isn't nearly as bad as some of the things the Japanese did in China and Korea around that time.
That said I think the Unconditional surrender was more about the need to demilitarize Japanese society and remove the emperor from power as not only was he the subject of a cult of personality Japan's emperors were seen more or less as gods in native Shinto Religion.

 

Thank you, corrected.

A wide variety of crimes, including being a member of the Syndicate.

 

They swap places (ends of the spectrum) when you're in an opposite-polarity universe (good/evil flip).

IE: One news industry becomes honest and forthright, the other becomes a shitty tabloid.

 

But actually, JinglesZoat...

"Offered to surrender and it was refused by the American government because it wasn't unconditional" is not exactly true, especially the part in bold.

The Japanese government, which had officially stated that its policy was "the Japanese people would fight to extinction rather than surrender" - a policy adopted on June 6, 1945 - had made unofficial overtures to the Soviet Union to mediate a conditional cessation of hostilities. They believed that the Soviets would remain neutral and had been blindsided by the unconditional-surrender-only declaration at Potsdam; the Soviets, already all-in on coming into the war and fully aware of Potsdam having been there and helped craft it, spun a tall tale to Tokyo: "Stalin and Molotov strung out the negotiations with the Japanese, giving them false hope of a Soviet-mediated peace", while demanding at Yalta to their allies that there be no separate or conditional peace made.

And quoth Prime Minister Suzuki in response to Potsdam:

"I consider the Joint Proclamation a rehash of the Declaration at the Cairo Conference. As for the Government, it does not attach any important value to it at all. The only thing to do is just kill it with silence (mokusatsu). We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war"



So, yes, unofficial overtures were made...but it was the Soviet government that was contacted and didn't negotiate, from the Japanese-perspective-with-hindsight, in good faith.

 

He can take them down, certainly, and he has ample justification. But in that time span, they could level a few cities. He can't simultaneously take down every single one of them if they're trying to actively disengage/rampage instead of attacking him.

Doing whatever you can to keep the mass murderers from doing things that warrant terms like "megadeaths" is probably a good idea, even if it technically means helping them do less-murdery things.


(I tried to find the comic where Superman-expy Hyperion is rampaging, and they talk about how long it would take him to kill human civilization, but I can't find it. Does anyone have a link?)

 

If Larfleeze etc was leaking avarice all over Vega for billions of years, isn't it likely that all native Vegan species, like Tamaraneans, would have developed some sort of tolerance for avarice?

That in turn made me wonder what kind of tolerance Earthlings have developed from the White Entity living there?

 

Paul doesn't care much about the psychopaths on either side; as far as I can tell he's on the side of the tens of millions of civilians who will die if the Syndicate and President Wilson get into a total war situation.

 

If you're talking about the one in Supreme Power, that was a researcher talking about how long they thought it would take. He didn't actually go on a rampage.

 

That's the one, yep. I think you linked to it in some chapter, but I can't remember which.

 

I disagree that's the best reason to help people because they'll never turn on you

 

Here you go.

 

He’s helping them because they have a hostage situation here, with both sides using hostages. Power Ring and Olympia could do a lot of damage before they were stopped. Like he said, both sides have metaphorical nukes. Maybe power ring wouldn’t blow up the world, but he could probably easily destroy a major city in revenge. Or get the Zatanna mafia to do it. Sure, Ultraman has specific weaknesses making him easy to kill, but the people left over are better generalists. Olympia vs Medea seems like a fair enough fight, and Power Ring could probably cause literal nuclear Armageddon if he wanted to.

 

I've seen this phrase before, but I still wonder what exactly inspired it.

Logically, it refers to a disliked production... but I imagine a literal episode about fecal matter.