With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Having finally remembered my password, is like to say...

1) To me, that "Orange Night"-event seems more and more likely to happen as a direct consequence of Paul handing off his booklets to everyone.
Spiders certainly can make "ideal" bearers artificially, albeit given much experimenting.
The rest of the groups will certainly try something as well.

2) Although I can remember Zoat answering me in SV-thread about a year ago that we won't ever see Paul actually getting to those universes he saw during Jumpbug-april fools...
I can't help but hope for them still
And with how active he was picking up lantern-candidates lately...

3) And speaking of those chapters, could someone link me to them, please?
I've lost mine, and is like to re-read them. :3

 

Here you go.
Previously, people have guessed that a cape hinders flight. Turns out, even experts guess wrong.
Of course, we're lacking data on lower, as well as supersonic speeds.

 

Well, he just spilled the beans to Kara soo... Farm soil cleanup will probably happen at some point.
Maybe.

OTOH, wasn't it mentioned that those organelles aren't there just for fun, with Kara-16? Soooo... Grayven is literally killing Lord!Superman? Just a question of time scale?

 

I mean, Grayven probably doesn't care that much if he was willing to secretly depower the guy. The fact that he only secretly depowered him was probably just so that he didn't hurt his relations with the other Justice Lords, and because there's really no point in purposefully killing him if merely removing his powers removes him as a threat to Earth-50.

 

You did. Paul didn't. And it's a lot easier to work the light of avarice on someone you desire,I'd imagine.

 

Well, you should be, because his argument is both arrogant and ridiculous.

 

*2012.

*an

*he'd

 

I rather love the term "afterlife service provider".

 

Spider Queen: "Ah, good. I'd been concerned at the time that the lack of release from your forelimbs indicated dissatisfaction, but even after learning that your kind don't keep their reproductive organs there things had been awkward."

 

I don't think it is. It's actually a rather nice change of pace to find someone with a complicated moral choice that has short and long term consequences, and actually said "Fuck it, I'm not listening to my gut here. Anyone have a pencil and some paper?".

As I see it, this is effectively how morality works, it's just that humans don't usually do it consciously. Moral actions can be described mathematically just as much as physics. But, just like a basketball player doesn't do trigonometry every time they take a shot, superheros usually don't actually calculate the ethics of their actions. And they really ought to, since the human subconscious isn't very good with large numbers.

The fact that Blake understands all of this, and chose to figure it out, gives him some major points in my book. The only issue I see is that he might be influenced by his desire for revenge, but if he did it right he can account for that as well.

 

Paul "like" her long time.

 

Ah, a glimpse of the fallout from Jiggety-Jig...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Oh, yes. He's certainly more conscientious about his work than his brothers...

Yeah, I don't think he wants you in his head right now.

Heh. More souls for Hades.

Man, the Golden Age was weird...

Little hard to be sceptical in the face of proof.

Well, that she did. To the point of becoming a separate species entirely.

Ah, the meat of the matter.

That sentence feels a little unfinished. Perhaps 'training regimen' because the 'a' feels lost.

Well, he's not wrong there, Vril Dox would consider that.

Not happening.

"Okay, hold it right there. Maybe you should hear about something similar on Earth..."
Admittedly, I doubt Vega will become the Middle East of the galaxy, situationally speaking, just based on the character of the races involved... (And let it end there, as not to run afoul Rule 8)

Ugh, I hope he did check Earth history while he poked around in OL's head...

"But not the way people are saying. Seriously."

It's funny, isn't it? Not nearly so fun.

Heh. Good to see he's not completely gone native.

"Good god, it's strange to see from the outside..."

And that proves you're still Human, deep down.

Well, satisfying in a way. But ultimately, I doubt OL feels all that happy about it.

 

The misconception that Blake is making, I feel, is that Paul isn't considered an outsider by the wider cross-section of Vega residents.

Specifically, they identify him as successor to The Beast. In the immediate past a number of Orange 'Lantern' Constructs had been sent out searching for Paul and generally making themselves known and wrecking havoc among local space. A group of orange light users under the command of the the individual who's become the New Beast would more likely be seen as a domestic faction to Vega, not a foreign one.

Blake's making a number of faulty assumptions from my point of view and Paul has every right to be angry.

 

True. There's also the fact that Blake is not a precog (if I'm wrong about that, what happened to him suggests that any precog he does have must have serious limitations), and he cannot have accounted for all factors. For one thing, people will wonder why more Orange Lanterns were not involved, once they've had time to think about it, and that's just one consequence I'm thinking of right now.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Hmm, you make a good point. I hadn't thought about Blake having incomplete information here. And he couldn't necessarily check all that easily, because he had to avoid tipping off OL.

Tricky. I still like the fact that he tried to work this out, but it's hard to tell whether or not he made the right decision. It could go either way here, and I don't think we have enough information to clear it up.

Hmm, I dunno. I don't think that's likely. It's not very often that people look at someone doing a generally good and appreciated action (ending the Psion Menace, rescuing slaves/test subjects, etc) and think about how they could've done it better. Not unless they do it really badly in the first place, and Blake still succeeded in taking out the Psions and rescuing some people, without overwhelming casualties.

 

How so?

 

Hmm. How would Blake's plan have turned out if he barred all Orange Lanterns from participating, by keeping the princesses occupied elsewhere? His ideal stance for his new countrymen to face upcoming threats? He couldn't have known that Koriandr would face the situation on her own.
That whole coincidence makes me wonder if there's some sort of Comic-Book!Logic at play here.

Also Blake went over so many simulations for that assault and made his peace with Paul's resentment... And he didn't say anything to rebuild bridges? To reconcile with the superhero that saved his life?!

Adam Blake isn't the next Nabu, but I'm betting Paul will end up comparing them while putting this anger towards positive ends.

 

While it is true that Paul would not be considered an unknown factor to the citizens of Vega (for the reasons you mentioned), that doesn't change the fact that he is still an outsider. He's not from Vega, but more importantly, he didn't stick around in Vega, and as far as Blake could tell at the time when he made the decision, Paul wasn't planning on being a permanent fixture of the post-Citadel Vega power structure. As such, having him and the OLC swoop in and save the day would have undermined the foundational event of the New Vega Alliance.

As far as I can tell, that's what Blake was more concerned about rather than saving the soldiers of Psion captives lives. While it might seem abstract, that shared suffering and overcoming that challenge, while also establishing themselves as a legitimate power, are going to be absolutely critical for the alliance going forward, especially if they want to maintain peace over Vega. I'm not sure if this decision was entirely correct, especially since Paul's willingness to return to Vega and take some responsibility for it's citizens shows that he might have been open to a more permanent OLC presence in the Vega power structure, but Dox would be less than pleased at that. Overall, while not necessarily a perfect choice, I do think that Blake made the best decision that he could with the information that he had at the time.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't necessarily think Blake made the *right* choice (yadda yadda hindsight and speculation 20/20, etc), but it was a conscious, considered decision.

 

I will need to analyze this later on, but point of clarification, Kori saved a few, just a few, of the innocents in the attack on Wombworld, but apparently that was it; I don't recall any other major saving of the prisoners and test subjects so that's a con firmly placed in the plan Blake executed.

 

Oh god. I know where we are. I know what's coming now. The Spider Queen is being kept in check by simple pragmatism. She still wants to eat everybody, it just isn't practical to do so, so she's not. She made deals to protect herself and her progeny, and is obeying them because she doesn't have the power to deal with the fallout.
As soon as the Spider Queen finishes studying the Orange Lantern Manual that Paul gave her, and makes the first Orange Spider babies who can call/create their own rings... there's no limit to how many she can make, and the speed she can make them at is rather absurd.
The Orangest Night Begins.

 

The interesting bit here is that I'm pretty sure he's more trying to convince himself that he is or should be angry, than ACTUALLY angry. Especially given the lack of red. Then again, maybe Red Rage doesn't actually align much with sullen anger

 

Something, something, the pursuit of the greater good excuses lesser evils.

 

He is.

At least in the comics, but if memory serves Zoat has already edited his powers, since I remember getting the impression that his superhuman physicality from the comics here is just a manifestation of his psychokinesis.

 

Whether or not he is correct that keeping Paul or the Orange Lantern corp out of the fight is better in the long term, he still kept this a secret. Still deceived him. Basically lied to him.

Paul was right there. All he had to do was approach him, tell him is plans, and turn him down if Paul asked to help, stating X/Y/Z reasons. Instead he's damaged the relationships with major polities in the sector and Paul.

 

Wrong thread.

 

Thanks, deleted it! Still had that thread open when I was tabbing around, lol.

 

Random thought, since this is QQ: I sort of wonder how Paul or Grayven would react to finding themselves in the world of the NSFW fan-comic JL Forsaken Souls by Black Pharaoh. The basic plot is that a "godlike" tentacle monster is running around corrupting superheroines into not-succubi-really and having them fuck superheroes to death so that he can steal their powers like a rape- and NTR-powered Amazo - and he started with Mary Marvel and Zatanna, who promptly took over the Watchtower and basically decapitated the Justice League. Naturally Lex Luthor winds up running the Resistance.