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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. yingyang590

    yingyang590 Getting out there.

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    After all the they're not letting Graven keep the ship? Seems kinda unfair. They can't even use it to the full extent that he can.
     
  2. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Well kind of disappointed in Gravy's response to that question.

    But I suppose an answer along the lines of "Oh, because they made you and your history. Every bit of pain in your life, including the death of your beloved, was crafted to make you an interesting bit of fiction for an audience intended to be comprised primarily of children" would be a bit cruel.

    Which reminds me, Kirby showed up in a Sandman story. Kirby's Sandman, not Morpheus.

    Sandman was fighting an army of demonic creatures to protect a young boy, and suddenly a figure appears from the the boy's imagination. A figure with a very Thor/New God look.

    So with this new found ally Sandman succeeds, and then at the end of the story it's revealed that the young boy was Jacob Kurtzberg, the future Jack Kirby.

    She was named Catherine in the comics, so either Zoat is going for something a bit more historically accurate, or he had a spare sister in this universe.
     
  3. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
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  4. Lord Ernest

    Lord Ernest At the End...

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    If this is the wrap-up then, awesome, it was a pretty good episode overall. Feels a bit weird that the other Stormwatch members didn't show up again but whatever. Another hard won victory for our Grayven... and it was just an errand at the beginning.

    Also, are they talking about Grayven 50's ship at the end there? Because if they are, that ship is the Renegade's by right of Conquest, isn't it? It should obey him just like one of his weapons, and I don't think they can get a lot of use out of it, what with their 'Superhero'-style. And really, what right would they have to deny him his hard earned loot? He practically saved them all and they wouldn't have been able to do anything without him there; that's twice they owe him and not even a 'Thank You' card. They're lucky he likes his brother (this Barda feels more antagonistic, I'm fairly sure he would let her hang).
     
  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No. One of Lucrezia's less important younger sisters.
    Scott can, once he's gotten used to it. Barda would probably find it easier.
     
  6. TheEyes

    TheEyes Well worn.

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    Still seems rather churlish and ungrateful, given that Grayven-16 came here on a whim, took the brunt of the damage (again!) in order to fix a screw-up on the Lords' and Stormwatch's parts, and is now being given nothing but a swift kick in the ass to start him out the door.
     
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  7. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Can- can he even get it back to his universe? 0_o A ship is quite a bit larger than what we've previously seen dimension hop.
     
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  8. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Claudia was an Italian during the renaissance period.

    Which means she would be in the Silver City, which means under the stories previously listed rules about such things you can't resurrect her with a Lazarus Pit.

    Unless of course Zoat re-writes his own previously established rules about such things. :p
     
  9. Caerwen

    Caerwen Know what you're doing yet?

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    Mandatory religion does not mean that everyone is devout. Maybe she's in hell.
     
  10. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Or, you know, how he explicitly mentioned that he used apokolypse tech to connect directly to the source let him bypass that.
     
  11. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Not why he connected to the source. That was just in case there needs to be something like a soul attached to the body to resurrect. The way he’s doing it now wouldn’t have the same connection. There’s no mystical link between the new body and the soul, that would likely be there for the recently deceased.

    Also, did he say no resurrection from the Silver City? You may be right, I just don’t remember when.
     
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  12. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    No, but being related to the Pope does. :p


    You do realize in the best case of that actually working like you suggest, it would be quickly followed by the Silver City coming down and murdering them all for stealing a soul from their care? o_O
     
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  13. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    Considering which Pope we are talking about I doubt that applies.
     
  14. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Justice Lord shenanigans aside, I wonder if Lord Batman has a better relationship with his adopted sons than Justice Batman did?

    For rather obvious reasons, the Joker of the Lords universe never would have had the chance to traumatize the Bat Family the way he did in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.

    Really, the superhero game is probably a lot less stressful in general with the way the Lords just straight up lobotomized (or killed) all their villains.
     
  15. Bramble Thorn

    Bramble Thorn Verified Silhouette

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    Is it just imagery, or something more?

    When he used the anti-life against Grayven and his wench woman, it seemed to give him actual information for their past about times when life did equal pain for them. Like as the counterpart to the source, has universal scope in its area, and can show established and relevant examples of how it is true, that actually did happen.

    It made be think of the Tyrant's Blade from the Book of Swords, Soulcutter.

    Not a Mother Box.
    Again, not a Mother Box.

    No, but he did refer to it as a Father Box when he took of off of her soon to be corpse.

    Also, there is an element of logic involved, since there seems to be actual differences between Father Boxes and Mother Boxes in programming/loyalty, what with him smashing the Father Box he had after finding out it was unfaithful to him. Or Barda not being able to use a captured Mother Box before Renegade/Paragon (cannot remember) convinced it to in the story. On knowing the person who makes Mother Boxes is an enemy of the Elite oppressing the lowlies.

    But mainly, internally thinking about a probable Father Box as a Mother Box seems like a really bad idea, unless you know it is one, from a 'Is this New God AI predisposed to act against my interests or not' perspective.

    Ok, I get that you are probably just indulging your inner prat here, but Mother/Father Boxes are New God Tech designed to interface with and be receptive to New God Magic. And they feel different from each other. That is why they have different sounds when they speak. Father Box was like *Plong* and the Mother Boxes we have seen are like *Ping*

    So even if you couldn't tell just from it talking, (and since you know whether it is a Mother Box or a Father Box, might want to make sure that *Ping* it made earlier is correct...)

    He should have been able to tell when he used his New God Powers to claim ownership of it.

    Yeah. Future Zoat, fuck that guy! He's probably a real asshole, deserves everything he's got coming to him...

    Minus all their cool powers. Which means the Omega Beam falls out of the Bag of Spilling and is now up for grabs however those things are determined.

    Is this the New God Battleship they are talking about? Why are they even talking about this? Is was Grayvens battleship. Who Grayven killed. This is not just "Kill the bad guys and take their stuff," murderhobo logic, it is an actual War Trophy here.
     
  16. bobsimmo

    bobsimmo Simmr001 on SV/SB

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    yeah when the Rebirth initiative started the writer of Heroes in Crisis was good, but recently hes been going off the deep end in his writing, and through the floor.

    it doesn't help the dude who started rebirth has more or less jumped ship to the movies.
     
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  17. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    wut? paul is the Illustres, not an honour guard I said that that (honour guard) was the highest rank the sisters could have.
    And the honour guard act as NCO's in combat.
     
  18. nick012000

    nick012000 Gone for Good

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    *looks at what happens to Victor Stone*

    Cyborg-50?
     
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  19. Whenever Possible

    Whenever Possible Versed in the lewd.

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    So for a second time, Stormwatch takes a ship that Grayven did the heavy lifting to clear of enemies.
     
  20. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You do realize A. Grayven doesn’t give a fuck, and would probably rejoice at all the free angel stuff he gets from theirs corpses. B. If it’s coming from the Source (like they mentioned it was) they’re literally incapable of questioning it and C. Is it true you’re just angry because you want to bang Paul and Zoat is forever out of your reach?
     
  21. Siskulous

    Siskulous Know what you're doing yet?

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    No it doesn't. Not even the most hardcore of Catholics would contend that mere blood relation to a Pope has any bearing on whether or not you get into Heaven, and Jesus himself said that not all Christians will make it. She could very easily be in Hell.

    Which....several hundred years in Hell....that's perhaps not a soul you want to bring back.

    I dunno. ParaPaul got curb stomped by angels. Gravyen's stronger, but not THAT much stronger.
     
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  22. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook Well worn.

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    I believe it was mentioned that his version of the dimension hopper uses a boom tube for increased efficiency... and that the battleship was capable of creating boom tubes for both it and it's support fleet.
     
  23. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Who cares? Sure, he'd like to take it back with him, but the Justice Lords need a new home. And he can study the technology inside. Desaad wasn't all that interested in things that couldn't scream.
    Being the Pope's daughter sired out of wedlock while he was Pope probably doesn't help.
    Grayven probably wouldn't have the entire Host arrayed against him. He could take a single chorus.
     
  24. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Really, the main problem I see is that she might already be a demon, or just destroyed by hell, and any type of soul resurrection is too late.
     
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  25. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    You need to know what you are doing, that means having medical knowledge of the human body or whatever alien you are fixing.

    Self healing? The ring AI helps a lot, so us way easier.

    Healing others? Not so easy.
     
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  26. thebishop8

    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    They talked more about ship-sized boom tubes in the episode Excavation. Boom tube power requirements scale with size, and the Renegade straight up didn't have a power source good enough to make ship-sized boom tubes in that episode, which was less than two months ago in story. It's been mentioned that a parallel universe traveling boom tube takes a lot of energy too. So, combine the power requirements of a ship sized boom tube with a parallel universe traveling one, and it's probably not in the cards.

    Or they could just use the solution they used in that episode, which was to use magic portals instead.
     
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  27. Buggy123

    Buggy123 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Yes, though it depends on how little you're working from. Whatever is doing the fixing needs to know what it's doing, and extrapolating a body from bones and nothing else would be substantially more difficult than fixing minor injuries. But the latter, and maybe even the former, is nothing that a high-tech expert system couldn't handle. And a power ring is that and then some.
     
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  28. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    This may be a bit of a silly question, but...

    If Conquest is a conceptual ability, does it include Conquest Of Self? So, the ultimate in self-control?

    Just thinking...
     
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  29. Gilhelmi

    Gilhelmi Know what you're doing yet?

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    Just because we are she crazy does not mean we are she is insane........ Yes, I was obviously talking about Ms. Dr. Quinn only and no one else.........

    On topic, a bit of madness is healthy, as long you remain in control of it. I am kinda hoping that she becomes a bit crazier but in a fun way.

    Edit: I forgot, in this universe she is a proper Doctor. She did not go to Evil Medical school to be called Ms.
     
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  30. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook Well worn.

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    This episode has shown that the parallel universe traveling boom tube can still be opened by the boom tube generator that he's carrying around with him...



    Now, assuming that the battleship was designed sensibly, it should be capable of generating a standard boom tube without compromising its ability to power weapons and shields. If that's the case, either turning off weapons and shields to free up additional power; or using power rings and some locally sourced asteroids to transmute a bunch of high-tech batteries or capacitors and charging them up with the battleship's own power generation, should get enough power for the trip.
     
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