With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

The Embodiment of Life will be most pleased. We haven't heard from it since OL's Enlightenment.

 

Maybe he's making an inference from the precedent set by the policy on cooking alcohol?

 

That doesn't answer the more important question. Again, what is a tricot in this context, please, and what is the significance of exchanging them? Google was surprisingly useless, although that may have just been me being tired.

 

So was this a comparison on them trying to improve the world or a prellude to this being a chapter where they switch places/mmet each other?

 

Huh, using acceptable targets as test subjects for risky-but-rewarding augmentation/transhuman development experiments. Interesting, and I wonder how it'll play out.

And I gotta say, good call with the hard-pass on the cooperation-substitution idea; sounds good at first, terrible idea in practice because none of the people you want to cooperate with want anything for themselves. No need, anyway. Cooperation is usually the most rational option anyway; get rid of some of those pesky tribal instincts and improve the average critical reasoning abilities, and you'll easily improve things by a order of magnitude.

 

Doesn't telling him about the changes mar the test results? Or is this just for the audience?

Of course, maybe there's another control group with the changes but they haven't been told what they do, contrasted with one without the changes that have been told they have them.

 

Amusing to see the outcome of OL's little venture into business...

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Yes, yes, Unions are crazy. Let's not argue over the matter in thread though?

Are they still unhappy about the London Dolmen Gate network project?

OL takes his chocolate very seriously, doesn't he?

As in 'tThings will sort themselves out by themselves'?

Ha! What a way to be remembered.

Much better than the real world's then... (again, let's not argue about it?)

And I doubt he could get airspace clearance for the Arrowplane...

Ah, OL, never change...

Wait what? What? The blazes? Renegade in a Paragon segment?

<facepalm> Grayven isn't that kind of boss, you know.

Not very smart, was he? Mixing 'medications' like that.

I'm wondering that myself...

Fascinating. Forced evolution.

Oh, dear. I get the feeling this isn't the Renegade we're used to, is it?

I should say so. That doesn't sound pleasant at all...

Well, it's only a side-effect.

So, he's aiming for something akin to golden age Kryptonians - near-superhuman development of the human body. Seriously, before Supes got power-wanked, he was basically a Danner-type superhuman with improved senses...

Odd placement for a combination chapter. Comparison of methodology, a prelude to something more, or just couldn't think of something worth a full chapter of each?

 

I like the little callbacks to things. The Dolmen Gates from the gnomes, train workers hating OL, OL buying a chocolate factory, Grayven doing the intelligence boost Paul did to that Taiwanese guy who was forcibly injected with discount Venom during the Rhelesia peace talks, even the little snippet of Grayven saying how humans have changed which is paraphrased from Paul's discussion with Artemis and Paula during their dinner. I don't remember if anyone ever said that 'let's do nothing' phrase in story before however. Could someone link it so we know if it's a callback to something too?

 

Why? renegade has killed a lot of politicians before and done 'human' experimentation.

I hope it's the former but it's probably the latter

 

Huh. How ironic that Grayven is the one doctoring with humans fundamental drives.

Until you realise that Paul doesn't have to of course.

Because he can see the most fundamental aspects of motivation, the very foundation of what someone is and alter them at will.

If you stop to think about it it's utterly mind blowing.

 

Yes Paul could likely manage the project with must less need for research.

 

Do you-the-author remember who it was? If so, please tell us.

 

The first thing that comes to mind is Incorruptible, which uses the same concept, but its a short story and I don't think it's the one he's talking about.

Edit: whoops, thought you were asking about the book. That's a reading comprehension fail for me.

 

What was the cold virus book?

 

Probably the switch/meet. And... considering the title of the arc, my guess is either a 'swap,' or there's going to be a grand gathering/abduction of their alternates. Since there's been a bit of an upswing in non-Paragon/Renegade chapters within the last... year and half or so (relatively recent since the fic has been going on since 2013)... those being shown looks to be leading into a grand crossover event or similar.

 

LMAO imagine paul twelve being the only guy without a power ring at that meeting.

 

The switch is probably going to happen on April 1st - that’s only a month and a half away in universe. Sure, that’s enough time for a couple arcs, but it’s soon... Sort of surprised there wasn’t anything special for Valentine’s Day in-universe - like Paul sending Jade a gift of some sort.

 

Really?

 

Imagine Paul-12 being the only one with a power ring at that meeting...

Yes, I was confused by the switch to what I assumed was Grayven/Renegade in the middle of the chapter. Zoat is sneaky enough that I've no idea what might be being planned! Switching just the minds of Paul/Paragon with Grayven/Renegade, for a period, might be a fun idea, though...

 

I said Sort Of - still, it’s an important date for couples in the states, and Paul should probably pay a little more attention to Jade, if he can instantaneously travel with gifts.

 

All sorts of weird transformation stuff in DC, but I'm not familiar with anyone who can transform opponents into their favourite sort of chocolate... Probably have to turn to somewhere like 'Dragonball' for that... But, a 'My Favorite Chocolate Raygun' might make a nice Valentine gift for some.

(There's some people would probably try and half-transform bacon with it. )

 

Oh, whoops. I kinda got who was asking what mixed up. See this message:

 

I'm afraid that I don't remember.

I'm afraid that I don't remember. Basically, there was a super disease ravaging the Earth and people couldn't develop a cure. So they put as many people as they could into suspended animation and created a group of transhumans who were immune to it so that they could work on a cure and then wake the rest of humanity up. The transhumans 'grew up' in virtual reality, one of them didn't so much 'go crazy' as get 'driven crazy' due to one of the scientists trying to give him a 'leadership persona', but they managed to do the job... And then all of the people they woke up were massively ungrateful and uncooperative and caused several wars and in the end the transhuman in charge of security just blows a bunch of them up with implanted explosives.

 

I'm almost certain that the half and half chapters have happened before and it wasn't indicative of a swap there, I think it's more likely that Mr Zoat jut had an idea for two scenes he wanted to have but weren't long enough to dedicate an entire update to individually

 

It has happened at least once before: https://forum.questionablequesting....stice-si-story-only.8961/page-56#post-2616348

But the Renegade segment in that chapter is much shorter, and it has an obvious relation to the Paragon one. (Paragon says "What else would I want to spend my birthday doing?", smash cut to the Renegade spending it getting the Joker's autograph for someone.

 

You could argue that these scenes are related in that they're showing what both Paul's are doing to help society, admittedly in very different ways

Also I'll admit I don't really want a crossover episode cos as someone with very little investment in Renegade I fear I'd be very lost at parts

 

So... Grayven has gone full on Nazi Scientist...

 

He's not doing a psychiatric experiment, and he's not doing mass-production safety trials at this point. He's researching still, and so he HAS to interview his volunteers in order to collect information about how it's working. It's possible there may be a bit of placebo effect due to this, but sorting that out is something for later.

 

You know, this is going to make it rather hard to find the nonstandard updates in the index. Always before, the Renegade parts in normal chapters, or SI parts in Renegade chapters, as well as other various Paul's P.O.V.'s have been clearly marked in the indexes. Now, both are present in one installment, and the fact that a Renegade? snippet appears here is not noted in the chapter index or threadmarks...

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