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Those Blessed with Talent

Discussion in 'Questing' started by Darkened, Feb 26, 2015.

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  1. UrsaTempest

    UrsaTempest Yuri Fanatic, Archivist

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    Yeah. This is a fantasy.
     
  2. redaeth

    redaeth Stubborn pedantrist

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  3. Sirrocco

    Sirrocco Tiny but ambitious squid

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    (our escape from reality)

    How "giant" are you talking about here? I was imagining one the size of, say, a pit-bull. People would pay attention to that.

    If you're talking about one the size of an actual this-world insect, then the problem is that it's ridiculously fragile, and can't really contribute in combat. "Healing spells" and "Enemy kills it with a single swat" don't mix all that well. At that point, *all* it gives you is the skill unlocks, and maybe some spying ability, once you get high enough level to borrow its eyes. It's impressively unintelligent, even for an animal companion. Also worth noting that the blood-bond ritual requires that the animal be wounded but not dead, and that there be some sort of blood-like substance to mix. That gets pretty tricky with hornet-sized hornets.

    Hives are a no-go. We handle single animals at a time, at least with our partner-bonding ability. There might be an ability we could learn at some poitn that would let us temporarily gain the allegiance of a hive, but that's not the same thing.
     
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    UrsaTempest Yuri Fanatic, Archivist

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    (open your eyes, look up to the skies and see...)

    Hmm. Is insect swarm counted as single animals? ...or rather, can we even bond insect? Tagging Darkened!
     
  5. wayne82444

    wayne82444 Experienced.

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    Do hornets have queens? If so then if we bond the queen would the other hornets from that nest follow us as well, even if they technically aren't our partners? If they would it is defiantly worth looking into- 1 giant hornet may have problems with being fragile and or not contributing much to combat, a swarm of giant hornets solves both those with numbers.
     
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    Depends on the insects. There's relatively little (besides humans) that you can't bond.
     
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  7. Pandemonious Ivy

    Pandemonious Ivy Making the rounds.

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    When I said "giant hornet analogue" I meant something large enough to ride. Think on that then get back to me when you're done trembling at the horror.

    Queen Fuckhuge Hornet? Best tactical decision. Yes.
     
  8. redaeth

    redaeth Stubborn pedantrist

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    In games the Queen types can always spawn smaller versions.

    Usually after you just fought through the hive to get to her.
     
  9. Sirrocco

    Sirrocco Tiny but ambitious squid

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    No trembling detected.

    Okay. Rideably large hornet analogue. Analysis go.

    - Even the existence of such a thing depends fairly heavily on videogame logic for a number of reasons. As such may or may not be available in-world.

    - Fills "rideable flying critter" tactical slot. As such, assumes "get a rideable flying critter" plan. That's not in and of itself a bad thing, but it does have implications. As is the nature of that slot, it synergizes poorly with any other mount-sized companions - particularly nonflying mount-sized companions. Do we know how large Autumn Shadow is likely to get?
    - As a clearly threatening mount-scale companion, it will not be available to us most of the time except when we are in transit, in the wilderness, or specifically expecting conflict in relatively open areas.
    - Exoskeleton likely to be pretty tough at that size. Still fairly vulnerable to any damage that pierces the shell, but healing magic can moderate that. As such, significantly increases the priority of healing magic - though healing is already valuable enough that that's more of a strategic adjustment than a built-in cost.
    - Hornet sting may or may not qualify as spear-based. My guess is that it would not - I've not seen the thematic connection explored all that much in literature. Darts seem more likely, particularly if she's a swarm-deployer.
    - Can be pretty much guaranteed to be poison-based. As such, there's a decent chance that we could get a poison add to weapon attacks - and it's reasonably likely to be stamina-based, which is good. Problem is that this requires us to break skin. If this si a game that has ping damage, that's okay, but if its the sort where a sufficiently durable foe can simply ignore your attacks, then it may be that we'll be hard-pressed to deliver the poison in the first place. Most other elemental attack ads would not have this problem. Again, this is a question of game mechanics.
    - She's going to take mount levels of food, which is expensive, and grains and grasses aren't going to be enough, which is more expensive. As a flying mount, she probably needs even more than that. On the bright side, she'll probably be fine with fruits and veggies or equivalent for the most part rather than meat, which means it's not as expensive as it could be.
    - As a queen or swarm generator... it depends on how much the game runs on CRPG mechanics and how much it runs on real-life mechanics. If it's CRPG enough that she's literally creating tiny minions out of thin air, that's all good, and it gives her the equivalent of a homing ranged attack. That's a skill that we might well want to develop for ourselves, and would also give *us* a non-str-based homing ranged attack (if a somewhat creepy one). If it's a situation where we need to set her up with an actual hive, and she'll slowly spawn semi-friendly giant hornets... well, that's going to take a lot of space and a lot of food, and the neighbors might get upset.
    - Assuming she doesn't have a "generate swarm" attack of some sort, her attack vectors are going to be fairly limited for her class. She'll be able to grab things (about one thing at a time), and sting whatever she's grabbing, and probably sting things that are directly below her that she's not grabbing. That's not terrible, from a utility standpoint (grabbing boulders and dropping them, grabbing foes and carrying them off to drop *them*, etc) but it's not as good at handling groups of enemies as many of the comparable mount-scale companions would be, and the limited arc of attack may give her more problems in dogfighting than many of the comparable flying companions.
    - with a combination of minion-spawning (in whatever form) and poison, we're not hugely likely to get another element on top of it.

    Overall, I'd say that if she gets the CRPG version (You can call up swarms of normal-sized hornets on command and give them simple orders as a ranged attack. No particular complications involved in establishing nests.) then she's a solid contender for the slot. At that point the only note of concern would be in whether or not we ourselves want to be part hornet, and whether, socially speaking, we want to be a living hive. (If we choose not to be a living hive, the usefulness goes down a notch or two). If she gets the psuedo-realistic version (spawn are not instant, but mist be fed and raised, and come out vaguely friendly but no more) then it's really not worth it unless for some reason we decide we need to go heavy into infrastructure, and want to add "trained hornet warriors" as a troop type. Of course, at that point we suddenly want to reconsider *all* of our companion picks in light of "how will this fit into the infrastructure" and it becomes a very different game. Doesn't really seem like our style. If it's somewhere in between the two... it depends on where, I suppose.

    So... not so much "best" as "Could be worthwhile... depending."

    Mind you, it's not a point of immediate concern. We're not at the "I want a mount" stage just yet, and we probably want to keep a companion slot free for serendipity for the moment. Honestly, I'd say the next companion we should go for is one we could hide on our person, under our clothing/armor, with a decent or better short-ranged attack, and possibly some stealth abilities. Nice-to-have poachable skills would include mobility tricks (flying/climbing/tunneling/aquatic) and stackable defenses (tough skin/dodgy/immunities). The image in my mind is a serpent spitting acidic venom and/or some form of smallish dragonkin, but there are any number of things that could fit the bill. The idea would be to get us a companion that could go with us wherever we go, contribute whenever we got into a fight without us having to think about it much, and give us a skill that we could learn that we can actually do damage with.
     
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    [X] 3 Autumn Shade buys Tracker 1: (BFldyq, Raron, redaeth)
    [X] 3 Buy Analyze 2: (DOOMPOTATO, redaeth, derkan)
    [X] 1 learn Spear Proficiency 1: (drake_azathoth)
    [X] 8 Buy Comprehend 1: (DOOMPOTATO, BFldyq, redaeth, derkan, Sirrocco, wayne82444, Raron, Adyen)
    [X] 1 Buy Friendship Bond: (Bfldyq, wayne82444, Sirrocco)

    14 votes by my count, so >7 needed to grab a skill. You may still grab skills this update (or whenever)

    [X] 8 Fox Hunt: (wayne82444, drake_azathoth, rcnr, Sirrocco, Raising Kittens, hunter09, Raron, Adyen)
    [X] 6 Great Southern Phoenix: (DOOMPOTATO, BFldyq, redaeth, john doe, Kerfirou, derkan)

    [X] 2 If our affinity is enough for some armor (and we can convince someone to lend us some) that would also be quite handy.: (drake_azathoth, Sirrocco)
    [X] 2 Our effective affinity for spears has increased by 16. Can we upgrade our weapon yet? Having a better weapon would help if we happen to run into something dangerous.: (Sirrocco , drake_azathoth)

    A job that suits you... The answer's obvious really. Part of you lingers on the phoenix job. You really doubt you're misreading it that badly even if a few characters are wrong, but even the paper is different from the others. There's no way it's meant for you and part of you wants to respond to the idiot's efforts and take it just to see what he'll do.

    But, really, he's the Idiot for a reason, and you don't have a death wish. Instead, you choose the fox hunt. The mansion and the herbs don't match your skills at all, but it's a few seconds' thought to purchase comprehend 1 and...

    Searing pain races through your head, shifting something ever so subtly. Wincing until you can see again, you brush off a worried Autumn's gentle mews and make a show of smiling broadly. Reassured, the cat cheerfully follows you inside.

    “Here, this one!” you flourish your chosen job at him.

    Something flashes through his face as the young lord frowns, “Well, I guess that works, though it's a bit boring. Well, we'll get going tomorrow then!”

    You ignore the boring comment. He obviously wanted you to go die against a phoenix. Wait...

    “We’ll get going?” you know he's important, and probably has the type of personality to poke a poisonous snake in the mouth to see what would happen.

    “Of course! I couldn't miss out my precious minion's first real job now could I? Besides, they'll assign somebody real hardcore to watch me, so I'll know you have good protection in case something goes wrong.”

    You stare at him for a few moments, surprised, though you're not sure if from his uncharacteristic intelligence or the fact that he actually seems to care.

    The Idiot wanders off, thrusting the next few days into a blur of packing and last minute practice. And then you, Autumn Shade, the young lord, Winter Breeze, a silent attendant in a gold and black mask and several other servants and guards depart the city on the main road.

    The procession is a lot lower key than your lessons said it should be for anyone really important. There's only a single carriage for you, Autumn, the Idiot and that masked assistant. The rest are left to horses.

    Still, you've never been outside the city before and both you and Autumn find yourself staring at the grand expanses of greenery along the road. At least until Winter Breeze rides up next to the carriage and glares you into propriety.

    Even Autumn recoils a bit at that.

    “Okay!” The idiot nods, “Let's talk about what you'll have to do while we head there!”

    You nod, nervous as you are determined to prove yourself, “I just have to catch a white fox right,” something bears down on you from outside the carriage, “sir?” the last word slips out unintentionally.

    “Well, the kind you'll need is called the Silver-Tipped Fox. Below 100 years old they're an E ranked breed of fox, but like any fox, they'll grow a tail, trade a part of their level for a rank up and get stronger every 100 years they live. If they only have one tail you should be safe, and weak fox species have trouble living that long or something this uses too many big words.” the idiot nods sagely as he reads from a book his silent assistant's prepared.

    “Even though they're just E ranked, Silver-Tipped Foxes are really rare in the forests, and their perception is unusually high. Besides a lot of people try to catch them and you'd need a very good specimen to make a nice pet, so...”

    “So?” He's baiting you, you know it.

    “So it'll take several days at the easiest! And you'll have to go out all day, every day till you do!”

    “And?”

    “Naturally you'll be missing all the regular meals at the inn!”

    He grins cruelly, as if he expects you to be disappointed. Idiot as he is, you doubt he's ever spent a night in the cold. Any kind of roof or shelter at all is a luxury in your books. There's no way you'll let a few months in some cozy bedroom, with regular meals soften you up! So what if your stomach's already growling a bit!

    The look you show him is perfectly dignified. There is nothing forlorn in your stare, no hint of hopeless hunger whatsoever.

    You sigh as the group approaches the Dancing Dragon. The inn's a several-story tall building, solid freshly painted wood with a tile roof and real stone walls separating it from the forest's edge but not the road. From what you've been told it's pretty old and caters to the better-off adventurers, clan members wishing to render themselves more rested and dignified before approaching the capital proper as well as the occasional hunting expedition.

    The idiot hands you an ornate wooden whistle and tells you it's enchanted to notify your back-up if you get in trouble in the forest. Then a few servants hand you an empty cage and some dried meats as well as a compass.

    You stare as everyone but you proceeds to enter the inn. It's only around noon, so can't they at least let you have lunch first?

    Ears pressed to his head, your cat puts one paw toward the inn, then freezes still as you stare at him, before trying to rub against your legs.

    “Yeah, yeah,” traitor.

    With a not-so-loyal pet glancing back at the warm inn that smells of roasting meat, you march resolutely into the forest, training spear ready, eyes primed for danger and every fiber in your body practically shouting at you to bolt back to the safe warm building.

    Hah, like this forest's got anything on a dark alley in the Lower City! You're totally fine!

    Autumn stops regretting his choice as soon as he kills his first squirrel. The kitten bounds into a bush, then returns with a small bloody thing in his mouth. He lays it at your feet and stretches lazily, positively preening. You scritch his ears and let him roam close to you. Even if he hasn't learned tracking yet, the cat's reflexes and ability to fit into small spaces make him a lot better at flushing out anything.

    You'd love to see the Idiot's face when you catch a silver-tipped fox and bring it to him before the first day's up.

    Instead, you finally find your way back to the forest's edge an hour or two after dark. You keep your hand along the stone wall till you can get around to the inn's entrance. Though, it's not like a genius with six stars in stamina like you is tired or hungry or anything! You're just showing Autumn a bit of face and acting like you're as tired as he is. That's all.

    “HAH! Sneaking in here are you? Thought you'd be able to rob the poor innocent nobles here like that!” your eyes drift upward to see someone perching dramatically on the wall. She jumps gracelessly, smashing into the ground while she tries to bring a large halberd down through your skull.

    You raise your spear in time, even as you jump back, but the impact numbs your tired hands and presses you down. You let your gaze trail up the halberd's haft, taking a better look at it's wielder. A pony-tailed girl only a little bigger than you grins triumphantly. You can clearly see the square tattooed on her hand that sports a simplified drawing of a sword inside.

    “Your plan may have been clever, but you didn't expect to run into the genius prodigy of the Adventurer's Guild, did you? Come on Whisper, let's show her what for!”

    You spot another boy, rather chubby as far as you can tell, sitting on the edge of the wall with his head in his hands.

    Analyze” you ready your spear and step back through the door.

    Name: Peach Blossom
    Sex: Female
    Age: 14

    Level: 7
    Class: Warrior
    Specialty: Willowy Dragoon
    Rank: B​

    That's... bad, but you can manage as long as the boy doesn't interfere. No way you're backing down here. No pony-tail bitch gets to push you around and you haven't stolen anything important in months!

    Autumn's warning growl sends you spinning around into the barrel-chest of what's either the biggest man you've ever seen or a fairly hairless bear. One hand reaches down to close around your robe and he plucks you away from the halberdier with more ease than you could lift Autumn.

    “And what have we here?” his booming words sound a little bemused as he looks at pony-tail.

    “A bandit!” Her reply is as quick as it is vapid.

    He nods seriously, “A bandit is it Blossom. And, now, what can you tell me about this bandit?”

    “She has a stick and she likes cats!”

    “And her rank, level?” the almost-bear's tone is endlessly patient.

    “Hah! There's no way I'd know that!” gently you're set down and pushed aside as he walks forward and plants his fist solidly on Peach Blossom' head.

    “O-ooww!” wimp, “What'd you do that for?” She drops her weapon, to grab her head and sends it smashing down on her foot and hops backward in further pain. The bear ignores her unimaginative curses.

    “Whisper?”

    The boy speaks hesitantly, “She's umm... her clothes are gold and black which makes her...”

    “A bandit!” even you ignore Peach Blossom this time.

    “Related to the Mu clan,” you speak up instead, finding your composure at last and delivering the comment with all the scathing honesty 18 points of charisma can net you. Peach Blossom wilts.

    “And her rank?” the bear nods at both of you. You smirk at the girl and wait for her chubby companion to answer.

    “I don't know?”

    The bear sighs, “Honestly, letting a pair of chicks out of the nest without even a single analytic skill or a hint of strategy between you. Little Bee, your rank?”

    So he read your rank before you saw him? You didn't catch him using the skill, but you didn't hear him sneaking up on you either.

    “A-.” you answer smugly, as Autumn puffs out his chest at your heels, “And Autumn Shade's B+ so he's totally better than you too!”

    Peach Blossom, rather than answering, turns toward the Bear, “OWL! You hate lies, don't you! So hit her for once instead of me! It's not like some cushy noble brat uses their head for anything anyway!”

    “Hmph,” the arrogance in your tone surprises you, but you've been in your stare of stare-downs with rival gangs before and there's no way some pretty bint with no more than half a feather for a brain gets to call you soft, “Like it's my fault you can't even use a basic technique like analyze,” you tap your hat, “I learned it when I was ten,” not that you'll admit you're still ten, “Besides, me a noble? I'm not wearing a glove,” you flash your pentagon tattoo, “so how could I be a noble?”

    Then, before anyone else can take back the stage from your—admittedly weak—quip, you gesture for Autumn to follow and strut past the gaping girl.

    The bear—Owl, chuckles at that, then turns a little more serious, “And what's a young A ranked little fledgling like you doing out in the woods all on your lonesome? You do have to admit that a precious little thing like you can't be up to any good by yourself. Come on, let Uncle Owl lend you a hand.”

    You hesitate. You could be honest with the group about your mission. The girl at least is B ranked, and if she's an adventurer then both of the others are probably with the guild too. But, if others are looking for a fox, then you might not be the only young genius looking to use this job to get experience...

    Open up?
    [ ] Write in
     
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  11. redaeth

    redaeth Stubborn pedantrist

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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.

    [X] Buy Tracker 1
     
  12. hunter09

    hunter09 Versed in the lewd.

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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.

    [X] Buy Tracker 1
     
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    BFldyq It's pronounced Be-Fled-Ick

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    ...Does Peach Blossom have a negative Intelligence rank as well?
     
  14. PineTreeq

    PineTreeq Know what you're doing yet?

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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.
    [X] Buy Tracker 1
     
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    Kerfirou Cultivating Dantian inside a Star

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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.

    [X] Buy Tracker 1

     
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    Darkened Experienced.

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    There is no indication whatsoever that negative ranks actually exist.
     
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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.

    [X] Buy Tracker 1
     
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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.
    [X] Buy Tracker 1 for Autumn Shade

    I like the vote going so far, it is truthful without telling them exactly what we are doing. That said I specified that tracker 1 is for autumn shade since for a couple of minutes I was trying to figure out where people were getting it from. We might want to get presence concealment as well if we get more exp ourselves, but I don't know if it would be enough to let us sneak up on foxes that apparently have high perception.
     
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    redaeth Stubborn pedantrist

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    Out best bet is to get a glimpse, try and see if Comprehend will tell us what it wants and then give it to the fox to capture it.
     
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    Darkened Will we still be able to take the phoenix mission ?
     
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    Sirrocco Tiny but ambitious squid

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    Okay. Now I get it. The phoenix quest is because (at least by his highly improbable character sheet) the idiot qualifies as a high-level scout. As for whether we'd go for it? It really doesn't seem in-character. Also, I don't think we'd be allowed to acquire the phoenix as a minion at this point in the game, and it would seriously warp the game if we did.

    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.
    [X] Buy Tracker 1 for Autumn Shade
     
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    Glasbowl14 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    So, I was looking through the tutorials and I found this:

    But The Idiot is level 724..... just what the fuck did he do to get that high of a level? Especially being as lazy as he is.

    Actually this makes me wonder, did we ever get his name out of him? Cause I'm having trouble believing his name is actually Mu Thoughtless
     
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    Xicree Destroy and Rejoice!

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    If you didnt notice, he's a Lucky SOB.

    He probably solves boredom by finding incredibly dangerous things to try to kill... only to wind up surviving the experience having learned nothing that should actually contribute to his personal survival skills... while getting all the EXPS for the kills. (Which likely were also facilitated by his insane luck.)
     
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    If that sheet's real then he clearly couldn't find anything anywhere within 200 or so levels of him, so he'd have no means of earning even a single point of XP, so clearly he'd become lazy!
     
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    Garahs Soil Surveyor

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    [X] You were sent into the forest to gain experience on your own, instead of just through lessons. You haven't had much luck though. Nothing you've encountered could trouble Autumn, let alone you.
    [X] Buy Tracker 1 for Autumn Shade

    It's obviously a clerical error. :p

    Either that, or his code name is Pun Pun.
     
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    I actually asked about this just after it was posted, since his sheet seems to go against a couple of things the available info says. Darkened responded pretty much like he did to you, but I for one think the sheet is a fake. I just can't believe that that sheet is accurate, especially given that it has been changed since it was posted (level 725 now, was 724 before), which would imply that he is still leveling somehow, in spite of never doing anything, nor having anything in his weight class to fight.

    And found my post and Darkends response:

    My being wrong about his class was pointed out, no explanation for how he could ever survive to be level 700 with no growth in multiple stats was ever given. Seriously, for all that people generally prefer being specialists over generalists if you overspecialize it pretty much guarantees that you die the first time your specialty fails you for some reason. He is a luck specialist, and no matter how high your luck it will go against you eventually, so believing that he has survived 254 years on it is absurd to me.
     
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  27. Glasbowl14

    Glasbowl14 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Maybe he has an ability that fools analyze? They're mentioned to exist in the prologue chapters.
     
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    wayne82444 Experienced.

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    I just thought the sheet had been posted as if someone had asked him about the info. Given his personality that would explain why everything is so exaggerated. That said it being a skill that fools analyze is just as possible.
     
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    Aaron_Stone Know what you're doing yet?

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    That or we are now secretly apprenticed to Sun Wukong.
     
  30. Sirrocco

    Sirrocco Tiny but ambitious squid

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    I agree that I think it's pure fabrication but... Luck is specifically called out as influencing both defense and HP, and as affecting *all actions*... so a stupidly high luck does actually make you an effective generalist even if you have nothing else.

    Also, as for how he got up that high... well, a good sparring partner or few would do the trick. As long as they keep leveling when you level....

    Still, I don't buy it. The 27 stars worth of luck is conceivable, if absurd. The negative four stars of intelligence is even more absurd... to the point of making no sense. The real kicker, though, is that even with the 27 luck, and the level 725, he only has three digits worth of HP. given this sheet, his luck growth is not just "How the hell?" levels. It is literally *three times* "How the hell?" levels. As previously noted, HP is based at least partially on luck. Having him not break 1000 HP with that level and that stat is just silly.

    ...wait.

    *that's* interesting.

    Last time I looked, his charisma was listed as 0. Now it's NA. Perhaps it is somehow like our intelligence?
     
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