With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

How does that work if he was insane or under the influence while he committed those murders?

If the legal defence of being under the influence when a crime was committed is accepted, then how being sane can get him the death penalty if any defence lawyer can argue that he was more stoned than a herbil used to test cosmetics?

 

British pride.

Yes.

That was probably part of why.

He isn't as in to Themyscira as Kon is, but he doesn't have a much stronger attachment to kryptonian culture either.

That's basically how it usually works. Awakening as the Renegade does it is just more digital rather than analogue.

The permanent change to his neural chemistry came about as a result of repeated exposure to experimental batches. Prior to going full supervillain he was more careful.

 

If you commit a crime while under the influence of something that impairs (and is known to impair) your judgement, and if you self-administered it, then as I understand it you're still considered responsible for your actions.

 

It's a magic artifact. Observing the proper forms is important

 

Usually "stimuli" unless there's some dialect variation I'm not familiar with.

 

How similar would Nabu's soul (prior to brain death or orange assimilation) have been to that of a New God? As an alien Lord of Order, I suppose his soul is fundamentally different to Earth-based spiritual entities, which also prompts me to ask if Old God souls are metaphysically the same as New God ones, with the latter just having more permanent physical/corporeal forms as well. Celestial Archer could use God-speech, so I'd assume they're not that different. None of the angels ever use it though, as far as I'm aware, and I'm not fully clear as to why that is, though I appreciate that canon welding all the multiple cosmologies of DC into a perfectly coherent whole is a bit too much to ask for.

 

DrThoth or Mr Zoat can you give us an example of Tao using godspeech?

 

In the Renegade chapters based on the canon season 1 finale, where the Team discovers that the League has been brainwashed by Starro-tech (I believe that would be Episode 23 or 24 in this fic). Renegade, a recently Awakened Zatanna and Tao sense something awry with Batman's metaphysique and hold a Godspeech conversation to secretly plan an attack to free him and the rest of the League present. The other Awakened members of the Team didn't pick up on it because they weren't as advanced as Zatanna due to either being even more recent (Aqualad) or less mystic/spiritual at the time of Awakening (Artemis) or both (Kid Flash).

Which prompts me to ask, did Renegade ever Awaken Cassandra Cain? Or is that on hold till she's more used to human society? I don't remember what she's up to.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Compared to what? It would look fairly different.

Old Gods arise from the Dream and intrude upon the material world.

Angels don't exactly have free will as we understand it.

No. That's a decision he's leaving to Scott and Barda.

 

Cassandra Cain was adopted by Scott and Barda Free in the renegade timeline?

Will we see Cassandra Cain in the paragon side, also when is Jason Todd going to make an apperance in the paragon side?

Will paragon OL have an encounter with the Joker in the future, and if so what year?

 

Yes.

I have no plans to use her.

At some point. Not sure.

He'll reappear, but not for quite a while.

 

There seems to be a slight misunderstanding here. Where magic is concerned in DC, divine tends to mean connected to the angelic host and the Source. New gods, despite the name, are neither related to the jeudo-christian God or the "jumped up elementals" that make up more polytheistic pantheons. Instead, new gods have a complex soul structure that they can directly manipulate to an extent and can subtly affect the world around them.

 

This isn't DC canon but a fanfic.
The renegade mentioned that new gods connect to the Source and their souls form structures that make them gods of particular things.
Paragon mentioned that Eriss soul is made of earth magic as its core and has a chaos magic outer.
The soul is used to manipulate magic, so technically new gods and their divine counterparts from other worlds share that in common.
Non new gods seem to be connected to the Dreaming and bind themselves to the concepts floating around there rather than to the Source like new gods do.
Angels have been referred as source functionaries/gods by themselves and other people like Ragnar and use theurgy that may be connected to the Source. I even have a theory that the Abrahamic god may be a theurgist whose powers were taken to eleven, Highfather could talk to the Source in the comics and the renegade said that the people of earth do not technically worship the source but something else.

 

I could have sworn it said earlier in the fic that there were either 11 or 12 guardians left. It was just after he got stewerts ring and was plundering the database (which I can't find again, because Zoat doesn't give chapters descriptions)

EDIT:

Found it. Control F would be a lot more helpful in this case if Zoat didn't have Eleven in his bloody sig.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Before anyone else gets it in:

Specifically, Overgirl of Earth-10, where Nazis won World War II, and Superman is Overman.
(And I was just watching Hellsing Ultimate Abridged. Commentary later.)

 

Ethically.

 

Hm? Is this a version of Supergirl from the obligatory Nazi parallel?

EDIT: Darn, Ninja'd

 

Ooo Nazis this is going to be fun. Any Jewish heros on the league? I hope so that will be a fun conversation

 

Oh god, Harleen's accent is thicker than maple syrup today. I can feel the English language's pain...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

YEah, messing with people's brains makes for some iffy territory...

So, he'd allow the Freaks to dress in costumes, though not allow them weapons?

And presumably she's got no interest in him beyond the professinal, I hope...

You'd be surprised, I bet. There are a lot of people who'd probably try it at least once, because some people love being afraid. How many would try it again after that? Well...

Haha. The joy of always being on call...

Ah, what's Guy need this time?

"Really, are we doing that now?" Ah, good-natured ribbing.

Hey, it's Guy. He might well have.

"Define 'screwy'..."

... Okay, that qualifies as 'screwy'. Also 'concerning'...

Uh-oh. It just went from 'concerning' to 'alarming'...

Should we call in Hinon?

Extra-dimensional breaches are always worrying...

And she sees the obvious possibility...

I suspect it'll sound like a hollywood Summer blockbuster...

Well, time to commit Science! upon this anomaly...

Oh, dear, are we going to see the Crisis of Infinite Pauls already?

Perfectly sensible. I would be observing from the other side... of the Moon.

Something or someone is opening a door...

Navigating the Bleed without a shiftship? Gutsy and painful...

And keep her secured, too. Amazed he didn't recognise her.

Seriously, remember to keep her safely contained.

And the meat of the episode begins. Things are going to get funky. Let's hope it's not going to get too messy.

Corrections:

But if she couldn't...

 

Thank you, corrected.

No.

Thank you, corrected.

 

When i asked if it was viking related i thought of Krieger. i really should have asked if it was nazi related.

 

Doctor Mist is a black dude. Physician is Chinese.

 

He's surpisingly calm for someone emerging from the same spot he did.

For a moment I really thought we would get another SI and this would become a collaboration fic.

 

Oh. That's neat. Earth 10 had some interesting shit. Shame they kind of swept it under the rug with some really fucking lame cop outs.

She'll probably react pretty poorly to Mist, but she might do okay with Physician. Then again, she's well beyond a "normal" Nazi. She's a comic book Nazi.

Guess we should expect Nazi Superman, too. Though I'd be genuinely surprised if this went anywhere beyond, "lol, gold kryptonite spam".

 

Wait a minute... she'd only fallen though in Final Crisis, before. Is this a precursor to the Crisis of Infinite Pauls?

 

The Nazi's classified the Japanese and maybe Tibetans as Aryan peoples, so it might not be as much of a problem as you think depending on what the current political situation of her Earth is.

 

Oh no.... the horrible Harleen accent spelling is back. its unbelievably immersion breaking when you need to read a sentence multiple times to try figure out what this character is mumbling, it rendered the last chapter's irrelevant. Also I'm sad that Melinoe wasn't even present, shes actually interesting and Crane is such a minor side note that I had to google the name to realise who it even was (Batman Begins was long ago).

 

If kryptonite works diffrently based on what universe the kryptonian came from it may not work on Overman or any earth 10 kryptonians