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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yeah, turns out? There are quite a few black people on Earth. So every time he stops someone destroying the planet he's doing something for black people, you ungrateful short-sighted git.
     
  2. Grimnar

    Grimnar Versed in the lewd.

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    Are we ever going to know what the fuck is up with Welsh John? I'm pretty sure it's been teased that he's the opposite of the Demon Constantine, but when is the full story coming out?
     
  3. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Paragon has spent several months in another universe and has had his mentality changed with enlightenment, another Paul showing up on a nazi world without the months of experience and enlightenment could easily make some mistake and get himself killed.

    Grimnar in the Angelic episode John said his last name was Quinn, and Constantines mother's maiden name was Quinn, so either he's a relative, someone that happens to share that name or he may be the Golden Boy.

    Is there a version of the SI that ended up on another universe, but not with a power ring, instead maybe something else, like advanced tech or magic just not a power ring?

    Is there a version of the SI that ended up in Ben 10 or any of the other series that followed
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yes.
    At some point. I haven't written it yet.
    No. Though not of all of them keep it or keep it working.
    No. I've never watched it.
     
  5. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Does Sybarite have something like Satanus has functioning as a soul, hell magic acting like a soul?

    Will Sybarite make an appearance in the crisis?

    Can he use demon magic or is he just doing more instinctual things, like the renegade with his divine powers, instead of casting spells?
    Does he even know how to cast spells?
    Does the renegade know how to cast spells?
    Has he done it already?
     
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  6. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Oh, I'm well aware of the fondness the Japanese had for brutalizing the Chinese and, really, most of the rest of Asia.

    One of the only groups they really bothered to treat decently was the Taiwanese. Mostly because it was their model colony back when they controlled the island.

    But even then, the Japanese still intended to use the Co-Prosperity Sphere to rule over Asia. As brutal as they were, there would still be Chinese to lord over.
     
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  7. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Basically.
    Probably. I haven't written it yet.
    Mostly instinctual.
    In theory. He rarely does it. He's a bit too out of it.
    Not in the traditional sense.
    No.
     
  8. Impatient_Quill

    Impatient_Quill I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Mostly that was a bit of a commentary against prior writers who were willing to let their hero address social issues on other planets but not ones of earth, but your point is valid.
     
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  9. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    On the wondering how many people from what groups are still around. Remembered there'd be a surprising amount even among those they were going to get extermination happy with.

    ==

    Russians 75%
    Estonians 50%
    Latvians 50%
    Czechs 50%
    Ukrainians 65%
    Belarusians 75%
    Poles 85%
    Lithuanians 85%
    Latgalians 100%

    ==

    After winning the war and expanding up to the Ural Mountains, that's how much of each group in their new lands they planned to exterminate. (Seemed to really hate the Latgalians.)

    The remainder was how much of each group they thought they could Germanize. Which would probably be even higher given their experiences with Poland. Because when they actually got to work on Germanizing the Poles they were repeatedly surprised by just how many of them fit their criteria for Germanization. To the extent that they reconciled it by deciding there were just a bunch of Polonized Germans that they were actually simply Re-Germanizing.

    And given how successful they were at indoctrinating kidnapped children from those groups . . .
     
  10. Siiracai The Supernal

    Siiracai The Supernal Shadows and Balance

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    I feel as though it would be rather intriguing to see a version of the SI in the Harry Potter universe, or one with a lightsmith weapon. Although, I think it would be cruel and unusual to put him in the HP universe unless his ring was enchanted and able to absorb some types of magic, as well as making him seem like one of the magicals. Although, a Lightsmith version of the SI in the HP universe could work rather well, especially if his weapon were a staff of some sort. Technically, lanterns and Lightsmiths are close enough in principle that you could tie it in nicely, while still remaining true to both your lore, and canon.
     
  11. bobsimmo

    bobsimmo Simmr001 on SV/SB

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  12. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    His maternal grandfather? Because if the SI wasn't able to think about his own name when he arrived then looking up his paternal grandfather might have been... challenging.
     
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  13. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    I think that the nazis were right about the sky being blue and their policy of not dropping rocks on your head was correct.

    Reverse stupidity is not intelligence. The dumbest person in the world saying something doesn't make it any more wrong then it was before they said it.
     
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  14. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I agree, but you did steal that from HPMOR so I can't quite call you correct
     
  15. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    Hey he throws out a perfect feed line like that it would have been rude not to take it.
     
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  16. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    I think the Nazis may have been right about the health hazards of smoking, and I suspect that my sense of smell is even better than it'd be if I'd disagreed on the matter.
    Only if you don't waste it. You really couldn't do anything with "any kind of sense" in your counterpoint?
     
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  17. Caerwen

    Caerwen Know what you're doing yet?

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    . Would have been safer to check his maternal grandmother. Just in case lol Back in the day there were no paternity tests.
     
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  18. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I wonder how a Paul would do in Practical Guide to Evil? It's a universe where tropes are enforced and real laws of reality, so would he try and game them or just tear his hair out in frustration?
     
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    14th March
    15:02 GMT -5


    I frown at Director Armstrong in genuine puzzlement.

    "I'm sorry, what?"

    Her jaw is somewhat tense, though less tense than it was a moment ago when she thought this mess might be of my instigation. "They're claiming Apokoliptian citizenship."

    "Yeees, that's the part I don't understand."

    A man whose identification tag marks him as coming from the organisation's legal branch shifts some notes on his holopad before returning his attention to me.

    "You said in front of the Senate committee that Apokolips claimed ownership of the Earth, with you as their… 'Suzerain'."

    I groan inwardly.

    "You can confirm that you haven't offered anyone Apokoliptian citizenship?"

    "I can indeed."

    "Is there anyone else on Earth who could?"

    "Apokolips doesn't even have citizenship. I'm not an Apokoliptian citizen in any legal sense. Knockout isn't an Apokoliptian citizen. Anyone claiming to be an Apokoliptian citizen clearly doesn't know anything about Apokoliptian society."

    "Is there an equivalent title or.. level of social standing?"

    "No." I shake my head. "The modern notion of 'citizenship' comes from the idea that the right to rule comes from the consent of the governed. That people have rights and responsibilities to the state as a whole derived from their participation in it. Apokolips… Doesn't have that."

    "So what does a person have to do to have rights on Apokolips?"

    I don't immediately respond. He looks up, and I try and communicate with expression alone exactly how mistaken he's been in his choice of barking tree.

    "There are no rights."

    "I thought Apokolips was feudal with super powers. Aristocrats have rights and responsibilities in feudal states."

    "Yes, because the monarch is usually first among equals, and a sufficiently large group of major nobles could overthrow them. That's where the Magna Carta comes from. That doesn't work on Apokolips-" Except briefly under Queen Heggra. "-because in an arena fight between Darkseid and everyone else -even allowing the 'everyone else' team to punch voodoo dolls so they didn't get in each other's way- Darkseid would still win. That makes for a very different social structure."

    "Is that how it works? There's Darkseid, then everyone else?"

    "No, there's… Four or five layers..? It sort of depends on how you look at it. If this… What was his name again?"

    "Lincoln Burns. He's a.. musician, with a history of, ah… Shall we say 'creative' tax dodges."

    "Right. If he somehow appeared on Apokolips, he'd be a Lowlie."

    "Is that the equivalent of being a blue collar worker?"

    "No. A blue collar worker, someone with an employer who valued their input and would miss them if they vanished, would be a level up. Lowlies are a step down from slaves."

    "A step d-. How does that work?"

    "Apokolips has the technology to become a traditionally post-scarcity civilisation. The only reason we're not is that we chose not to be. We don't need the labour of blue collar workers, or a working class, or semi-skilled labourers, or whatever you want to call them. Historically, in human civilisations, serfs have protection under the law, even if they have little freedom. Slaves had legal protection in some societies, and in those where they didn't they at least had financial value. Lowlies have no value. They're considered worthless, barely useful as a group for the power their misery provides to people like Darkseid. And I know that the moment he finds a better way to do it he'll have them all killed."

    I shrug.

    "Or just completely ignore them."

    "And… Up from them?"

    "Soldiers, mostly. A few Lowlies who survived long enough to become distinguishably useful to their betters. A group with useful applications. Occasionally, one even gains sufficient power to join the Elite… Canis Major is the only one I can immediately call to mind, but it does happen."

    "And then?"

    "The Elite. Awakened individuals like myself powerful enough to have specific uses. Darkseid's inner circle exists on a continuum with the rest of the class, but they have enough Elite under their command that you could count them as a separate group."

    "But they don't have rights either."

    "No. There are… Alliances, levels of favour… Open fighting is discouraged because it's distracting and tends to spread, but complete peace is discouraged as well. There are social conventions, but nothing as potent as 'rights' or 'laws'."

    "And the top level?"

    "The autocrat. Darkseid at the moment. Yuga Khan before him. Monstrously powerful individuals who define the purpose of our society."

    "Okay, and what sort of tax rates do these levels pay?"

    I lean back in my chair, my right hand covering my face.

    "None. There isn't-. There are tribute payments in some cases, but there's no standard rate of income that people are obliged to hand over. Most people don't have any income it would be possible to tax."

    "So there isn't a tax rate."

    "No, there isn't a tax rate. Lowlies don’t have-. No one on Apokolips has property rights."

    "But he can't be a legal citizen of Apokolips."

    "Correct."

    "Are there any Apokoliptians on Earth who might tell him or his lawyers otherwise?"

    "I know all the Apokoliptians on Earth. It wasn't Knockout; she works for me. My brother wouldn't, my sister-in-law wouldn't, then it's just Kanto -who wouldn't bother- and-."

    Uh.

    "What's his lawyer's name?"

    He checks his notes again.

    "Simon Leas."

    Oh for fuck's sake. The one Apokoliptian I decided to ignore because he was beneath my contempt.

    "And they want to make representations to me about intervening on their behalf with the IRS?"

    "That's about the size of it."

    "Okay, got a solution. Invite them for a discussion at Challenger Mountain and we'll handle this under Apokoliptian law."

    Director Armstrong scowls. "Why the hell should we do that?"

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    18:02 GMT -6


    "Shit! Shit! Shit!"

    I don't waste time looking at the autodefecating Mr Burns as Knockout holds him up by his shirt, instead focusing my attention on the cowering Sleez. As an Elite Apokoliptian himself, disciplining him myself is 'officially' worth my time. Mr Burns is a Lowlie who drew the attention of his betters.

    I grab Sleez around his chest and squeeze until his morphomagic generator fails and he's forcibly returned to his true, goblinoid form.

    "'Apokoliptian Citizenship'? Have you been gone so long that you've forgotten how we do things you vile worm?" Honesty. Integrity. Directness. Openness.

    "Hey! You can't-!"

    Knockout takes her right hand off his shirt and slaps him hard enough to send him flying into the wall. Though she's restrained enough to avoid doing lasting harm. "Silence before your betters, Lowlie."

    "You drew my attention, Sleez. And I am going to remind you why you shouldn't have done that."
     
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  20. thebishop8

    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    Change "to" to "who", I think.
     
  21. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Ah, the man whose villainous plan was to mind control some of the most powerful people on Earth, use them to make a porno, and use the profits to (somehow) create an army capable of overthrowing Darkseid.

    Honestly it's nice to see him improving himself with a merely "pants-on-head retarded" plan rather than his usual fair.

    You go, little perv. Reach for the stars.
     
  22. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Sleez does live down to his nature as the New God of, well, Sleeze (at least, I'm pretty sure that's his Attribute).
     
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    Grimnar Versed in the lewd.

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    That's a great plan!

    Except you should hold the porno hostage as blackmail to ensure the participation of useful individuals.
     
  24. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    It's a Terrible Plan.....when the targets are Big Barda and Superman.

    [​IMG]
     
  25. Darko

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    Nice to see more explanation on how a society mostly made up of complete monsters functions.
     
  26. Chojin Patriarch

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    Hahahahahaaa... No, really... :eek: You're serious?

    And once again, his deception comes back to bite him in the big, grey arse.

    "Frankly, I would likely refuse anyway on principle..."

    To put it simply, you belong to Darkseid. He uses you as he sees fit. Or one of the Nobility does so in his name...

    I'm picturing something like [Disgusted black dude] or :confused:.

    And that's before you count the low-level brainwashing/indoctrination effect of his very existence, courtesy of what parts of the Anti-Life Equation he holds....

    So, someone who has no idea of what he asks, out of some desperate desire to avoid prison... Why is there no facepalm emote?!

    Pffft-hahahahaaNO.

    Slaves at least have the monetary value of their owner purchasing them. Lowlies? Not even that.

    They're about as interesting as the dirt that cakes their bodies, to Him. I.E, not at all.

    And this is what he plans for the universe at large...

    It's a safe bet Canis Minor is dead here, given that Grayven was off-world or otherwise occupied when he would have turned up...

    Not a whit, in Darkseid's eyes.

    Essentially, Apokolips exists to perform his will. If he had no need of it, it would be destroyed...

    Food is considered a luxury, amongst the Lowlies...

    Again, no-one on Apokolips is a citizen. They're simply the property of Darkseid...

    But what of Apokoliptians who he wasn't aware of...x3

    Ah, the porn-maker. One who's barely amongst the Elite.

    Oh, that fool has no idea what awaits him...

    "Apokoliptian Law says i can kill them if it pleases me. I won't, of course, but I should be able to scare Mr Burns straight..."

    I do hope he was wearing brown trousers... Because if he wasn't, he is now!:V

    To quote Dutch: "You're one ugly motherfucker..."

    I don't think Mr Burns has quite realised his situation yet...

    "And then, if you are very, very lucky, I will not kill you. Yet."

    Ah, Renegade. Sleez made quite the mistake here. With enough contrition, he may get to live... Makes me wonder what he's up to in the Paragon's timeline (other than "The SI doesn't know.":p)

    Invisitext For Darkseid!
     
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    Thank you, corrected.
     
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    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    Canis Minor showed up when Grayven was offworld? When did this happen?
     
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    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    Damn, that explanation of Apokolyps...

    They should publish that, to make sure people think twice about dealing with Apokolyps in the future.
     
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    Have there been any aliens that joined the Apokalytian elite?
    Aside from the renegade in this story, in the comics Superman and Supergirl were forced into it, except that elseworld issue where Supes was raised on that hellhole, and a Tamaranian from earth 2 in the post flashpoint comics that joined the Furies?

    Can the renegade only Awaken people from earth because of the Life Entity and the fact that humans have been exposed to its influence for their entire existence?
    If not then can he Awaken people from magically powerful worlds like Zerox?
    Can he Awaken Abra, because it seems like he was raised offworld, and i was wondering if the Entities influence over him and his family if they were raised offworld too would no longer apply?
     
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