With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

So is privatization.

"Fascist Italy was the only country that sold state-owned enterprises and assets to private firms in the 1920s; the next country to adopt this approach was Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The Italian privatizations included the sale of most state-owned telephone networks and services as well as the former state monopoly on match sale. The state monopoly on life insurance was eliminated, the metal machinery firm Ansaldo was returned to private ownership (after having been nationalized by the previous government) and private firms were awarded concessions to set up tolls on motorways."

"In the 1930s, Nazi Germany transferred many companies and services from state ownership into the private sector, while other Western capitalist countries were moving in the opposite direction and strove for increased state ownership of industry. In most cases, this was a return to the private sector of firms which had been taken into state ownership by the democratic government of the Weimar Republic as a result of the Great Depression. The firms returned to private ownership by the Nazi government "belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, ship-lines, railways, etc." and in addition some public services began to be provided by semi-private entities that were connected to the Nazi Party rather than the German state."

Greek god of wealth, Plutus.

 

Somehow I knew we'd have Americans in the thread claiming the Nazis were actually socialist...

What is even the point of this arc?

 

IIRC, he's the Greek god Ploutos.

 

I've never seen that.

Where did you hear that?

 

Hopefully we get to see Ice too. We've started seeing Fire more, so we should also see her best friend in action. Also, this would be a good time to show the two are good enough to join the Justice League in the near future.

 

Zoat are Fire and Ice going to join the League anytime in your story?

 

It's unlikely. Neither really add enough.

 

I've known that Nazis were the worst socialists ever for quite a while, since they were pro-big business.

Pro-big business though is not the same as being pro-capitalism.

The Nazis did very much want control, you are right, but you were wrong about the nature of the control they wanted.

They didn't want to be big business, they wanted big business co-opted.


Here's a paper about Fascist Italy's privatization.

Here's a paper about Nazi Germany's privatization.

 

I thought he was an aspect of Pluto or something

 

Hey when OL said to Beautia that he wants to bring gods back to work i thought of another YJ fic where the main character asks the gods to become superheroes so they can get power through worship and adoration so they can fight the dangers that come, like Darkseid and the Anti Monitor, and i was wondering if OL could try to get into contact with some gods and ask them to join the League?

They would get their worship, the renegade said that he and Superman are worshiped, the League gets several powerful new members and people may be become even more interested in magic.
Also they can switch religions, after the angel invasion while i am sure that many people had their faith reaffirmed and others switched to the Abrahamic faiths, but others may have abandoned the Abrahamic faith after seeing what colossal dicks angels can be, so they can switch to the worship of whatever god joins the League and their pantheon.

OL is trying to get old magic traditions revitalized and wants to make the League stronger so it would make sense if he does this.

The gods that joined in that fic were Isis, Thor, Kane, Hephaestus, Pele, Diana(roman goddess of the hunt) and some members of the Hindu pantheon were thinking of joining.

Will some gods come to OL to help them get their worship, like he is doing with Melinoe, Hephaestus and Vulcan anytime in your story, i am pretty sure that he is going to get some kind of reputation in the divine circles if he continues doing that?

Plutos is the greek god of wealth who took on a mortal persona and is working on making sure the planets economy doesn't collapse in on itself, because he likes his job and didn't want to stop doing it even though few, if any, people remember or worship him.

 

I mean this

seems to suggest that Ice adds quite a lot compared to the 16th century Yeoman.

 

Aeess can you clarify about that 16th century Yeoman, i don't think i get the meaning, is it some member on the League or something else?

 

Its what the SI called Artemis once, basically calling her an medieval soldier, now that she has super powers and access to very advanced technology that description fits Green Arrow better.

 

No, because gods would not be able to manifest in the material world at anything like full power. Empowering a mortal champion is lots easier.

They might, but they're more likely to copy his techniques with their own devotees instead.

 

Speaking of gods, are the ones in your story able to exist and stay powerful even though they do not have worship?
I think you said once that they find it easier to manipulate the material universe if they have worship, but are still incredibly powerful even if they lack it though they find it a bit more difficult to manipulate the universe, while in the comics like the new issues of Lucifer they can appear to be near death if they lack worship, but i may be mistaken and was wondering if you could clear it up for me?

If gods are completely forgotten and are no longer worshiped, like say Shazams gods from the prehistoric pantheon, who i am sure only he still worships, then can they have any significant influence on the mortal universe like say the Olympians, who are not as widely worshiped as they once were but people still know they exist?
If gods are completely forgotten then do they die or stop existing, or even lose most of their powers until they are little more than a somewhat powerful mortal like it happens in the comics?

Who would win in a fight between Darkseid and Zeus, without Darkseid using the Anti Life that is, in your story?
I remember in the comics that Ares and Darkseid once manipulated Zeus and Izaya, who is supposed to be Darkseids equal, to try and kill each other and Highfather seemed confident that they can both kill each other.
The only fight that those two had i the comics i can remember is the post flashpoint comics where Darkseid drained Zeus of his power and used it to kill him.

Even if gods can't manifest at full power then can they at least join the League at whatever power level they do manifest in, which i am pretty sure would still be significant?
Though empowering champions is a good idea.
Are they unable to manifest at full power because they can damage the universe, or because they find it difficult and may lose some of their power, please clarify which of these three it is?

 

I used the status in All His Engines. Old gods don't get weaker, it just gets harder for them to touch the material universe.

Such a fight could never happen.

Not really. Not compared to a top-level superhero.

It's not so much 'difficult' as 'impossible'. They don't fit.

 

Oh, I guess she can sound like a socialist-

Shoot her please. It won't help, but it will make me feel better.

 

Okay, remember those gordanian slave traders the SI didn't exterminate? The ones who implanted explosives in their chattal's bodies and kept them in cages? Why do you think he'd decide to kill her after a few insults?

 

He is. He's also his own separate deity, either the son of Pluto and Persephone, or the son of Demeter and Iasion.

Mythology is even less concerned with consistency than the comic book industry.

Orion I feel is a perfect example of that. His parentage, his traits (in some stories he's a giant, in others he could walk on water), his love life, and who killed him and why and how, is all multiple choice.

In this story though, Plutus is a separate god.

 

Because people like to put the Nazis on a pedestal. A different pedestal than the weirdos who actually like Nazis, but a pedestal nonetheless.

Well, that and I guess people are a lot more willing to overlook fictional atrocities even when talking about what characters within that fiction should or should not be doing.

 

you know if Paul takes overgirl to see the man this is really going to shit on both their days.

I don't think he's yet gotten over he's a hitler clone and the crap Wolf And captain Nazi put him through.

AGAIN you bring Nazis to my doorstep!

"actually I didn't....."

LEAVE and never come back, I have had enough of nazis, enough of super powered maniacs and ENOUGH OF YOU!

See even clone Hitler hates Nazis .

" Raquel please shut up."

 

Yeah mythology really can be inconsistent.
People originally thought Poseidon was the leader of the Olympians and i am pretty sure they once thought that Zeus and Hades were the same person.

 

Oh, huh. Interesting how British English uses "to" where American English uses "at".

I mean, to be fair, that's a little bit difficult -- the whole distinction of denotation vs. connotation is which one you can look up and which one is implied by social context. In this particular case it's become a universal enough meaning among English-speaking culture that the connotation has become the denotation; dictionary entries for it now include an "(offensive)" tag.

Actually, she's right about that one. Unregulated capitalism results in the tragedy of the commons at one extreme and monopolistic abuse at the other extreme. You need the checks and balances provided by a government that can look at the greater good of the people instead of personal gain. But if you go too far the other way, you run into the inefficiencies and loss of quality that result from bureaucracy and a lack of competition, and you increase the amount of damage that corruption is capable of causing.

Otto is Cranius's assistant / body. The Hitler clone's name is Helmut Schreiber.

 

Oh, I wasn't intending to say I supported unregulated capitalism. So I guess it was more like a poorly worded addendum that Paul probably shouldn't be showing things that might reinforce her belief that National Socialism was a good thing.

"Earth 10's Brazil doesn't have slums and we kept capitalism in check. Perhaps we know what we're talking about after all."

Insert image of a smug Overgirl.

 

A stopped clock, yadda yadda.

 

And if you believe that Paul I know a Nigerian Prince that needs your help.

 

Of course! Those slums could be valuable cattle grazing land, so they’re being torn down in the fall

 

Or maybe most countries around the world had less stability problems after the second world war because the fight was won decisively by the fascist and the cold war and the ideological tug of war didn't happen?


I would figure the Nazis/Fascist had a very easy time installing pro fascist governments around the world and with no counter weight to challenge them things were very stable... Sucked for the minoritys and the people of color... Paul should ask what the total population of earth 10 is like, because I am betting on four billion people tops, probably something like two billion.

 

I doubt it's that low. The current population boom is heavily due to improving life expectancies in third-world areas, and the Nazis didn't mount extermination campaigns there. Birth rates in the West have been on the decline for decades. It would take something truly global, such as the Roanoke incident on Earth 16, to have an impact on the scale of billions.