With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Nice to see her character development.

 

So what? Did they hop universes again or something?

 

No she just went to the Bufffyverse Germany

 

Because we just saw a character a significant portion of the readers hated get some much needed character development that will allow her to get rid of her insane beliefs and he just ruined her emotional moment despite the fact that he had been trying to get her to do that.

 

Amazing to see where another path would take you, isn't it? Everyone has moments like that, wondering what their life would be like if they'd made different choices, had different opportunities... Overgirl simply has the chance to do so here...

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Not even touching that question with a fifteen foot pole (because ten feet isn't long enough.)

It's called a smoke break. Something she's probably never seen before...

A path Angelika can't take. At least the latter part..

Remember, folks, most of the Buffyverse is entirely like our own world, as improbable as it sounds...

It sounds crazy, yes...

"Just like in the comics..."

Wow, not sugar-coating it at all. luckily she seems too shocked to disbelieve it...

Kryptonians: hardbodies to a fault. Designer genetics for the augmented win.

The road not taken... Or in her case, taken for her.

Ha! Teenagers, I bet.

True, it'd be hard to say whether you're happy with your life, not having known anything else...

Here it comes...

Yeah, letting them know you're a Nazi ("National Socialist.") is probably not the best idea...

Yay for hypocrisy. Boo for personal stress.

Or against those they deemed 'unworthy'. Yeah, really not the best idea...

After all, why would those in charge want to change things that benefit them? If she makes it home, perhaps a little political upheaval is in the cards...

Every place has its own charms... Some are simply harder to see than others...

And out it comes. All her fears and stress at seeing the hypocrisy of her world, contrasted by this and Earth 16... How could she not be having a crisis of faith?

Oh, boy. These are tripping all kind of Death Flags for me...

She's a good person. When you see someone in that sort of pain, you don't even think about hesitating to comfort them...

How he hasn't snapped and overthrown them... He must have a will of solid adamantine...

...Yeah, that's probably likely. Any change is going to have to be bloody as all hell...

Okay... I think she can see a little hope now...

Ah, OL's caught up to her. Let's hope Krona's busy...

And I think Paul can see just how well that little talk has helped her...

Fingers crossed for luck... And I wonder if these three are ever going to mention this to anyone... Then again... Who'd believe them?

We can but hope that Overgirl's little side-trip hasn't drawn Krona's attention here... Hopefully, with Zaul out of the universe, he'll find no reason to mess with it...

 

Because despite the importance of the emotional moment for Her it is pretty trivial in comparison to all of time and space in even one universe, and his brevity of regard for that makes it feel like he doesn't value the accomplishment of his own goals.

 

Pity you weren't capable of pairing that awareness of that the point of experts acting as Mr Exposition in a story is to tell people what is going on.

But hey, if you have some actual evidence to support your so far completely unsupported by anything resembling evidence (or logic) theory, please feel free to share.

 

Such language! In front of a lady!

 

Said character also risked all of existence. Which is an insanely selfish thing to do for some closure. Angelika is a moron.

And her Buffyverse self just casually got her worldview shattered.

 

Angelika also probably thought that TP and RQ were being overly paranoid and that talking to someone won't be so bad.
Also she has been stranded in an unfamiliar universe where everything she believes in is mocked, has probably only one person she can consider to be a friend, can't contact her father, aunt or any of her friends from home etc.
She is not emotionally stable at this moment and will make some mistakes, hopefully just this one.

 

"So, you guys are walking me home and we're going to get very, very drunk before we even touch what just happened."

 

My personal theory is that the jet of copper that impaled him was forged by explosives. A different application of the monroe effect, where the cone is a lot more obtuse, is in fact called "explosively formed fragments". Ugh brain fart. I ment to use the other term: "Self-forging fragments".

 

That should be 'is' instead of 'in'.

 

What worldview? That parallel universes don't exist? Or that, even if they were to exist, travel between them is completely impossible forever? Neither seem like fundamental pillars of an average German's belief system to me.

And that's all that that woman learned. That multiple parallel Earths exist, that some people can travel between them and that one of said earths has access to alien DNA that can provide superpowers and had its Germany win WWII.

 

It is possibly interesting that I thought you were referring to a certain Twilight Sparkle here... And, I couldn't see how a certain magical pony turning up would collapse an entire world-line...

After a while I realised you were referring to the BtVS comics. From my experience on 'Twisting the Hellmouth', and other BtVS fan places, a great many fanfic authors do not regard any of the comic stuff as canon, though they may loot bits from them as suits them. The plot-lines in the comics are really not very well done, even compared to the silly things (magical venereal disease, anyone?) from the tv series. 'Twilight' is particularly terrible, and its use of Angel quite pathetic. Also, end of the tv series (which effectively includes 'Angel') is a logical place to treat as end-of-canon.

But, as always, YMMV...

On a slightly different topic, the Buffy-verse is rather strange, in that the only reference that I recall to Space was a demon from there, that seemed from out of Lovecraft. Impression was often given, as is the case with many horror genre settings, that the universe was Earth-centric, and all Space was about was somewhere for eldritch horrors to come from, similar to the old 'crystal sphere on which the stars are projected'. So aliens, not so much, demons from Space (which is likely not much bigger than the Earth's Solar System, at most, PtB faking-up any details), yes.

 

Zoat can just handwave Twilight away.

He already doesn't consider most, if not all, of the n52 canon, aside from some mentions and Overgirl being the exceptions, plus the YJ show already made sure that some things in his fic are diffrent, like Barda still working for Apokalyps, that martian taking the villain moniker that his uncle would have as his name in the comics, making Metron the sole inventor of Motherboxes, Fatherboxes and Boom Tubes, though the last one could just be ignorance on the part of Dreamer if she didn't know about Himon.

 

Lacking the grandeur.

 

Interesting update. I don't really buy it, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Feels a bit too fast/easy for her to be thinking everything she believes is a lie. What? Because a non-Nazi Germany isn't a shithole?

 

She may have been having doubts even on her world and being in another universe broke her nazi conditioning

 

Hol' up. Was this fore shadowing 'bout boss smiley pretending to be the source? Or is it boss smiley himself?

Edit:damn phone! Type what I want you to type, instead of lagging and missing words!

 

I will point out that it's a lot more than that

Overgirl already had some doubts about her home dimension before she even left it as a result of Karl making no secret of his beliefs and her having to try and reconcile Nazi beliefs of the role of women and her own role without acknowledging that they were completely contradictory

Her doubts have only been exacerbated by all the stuff she's been through since then

- All three of the Earths she's been to being perfectly fine despite the Nazis losing the war
- Confronting the fact that her own Auntie is probably a lesbian and acknowledging that she wouldn't report her if that is true
- Realising that all of that propaganda that's been forced down her throats her entire life is bullshit
- Meeting a clone of Hitler that has a black wife and mixed race children, which I think happened offscreen
- And now on top of all that she's met a version of herself that is happy in this world, arguably happier than she was in her own, which proves that her happiness isn't tied to Nazism


Though one thing I am confused about is why they're so worried about Krona finding out about them since he clearly already knows, why else would he have sent those Manhunters to attack Raul?

 

Because Krona has been sending Manhunters out to collect Pauls from all over the multiverse. That Raul fought them off is unusual but others have managed it so it doesn't stand out much. What they don't want is him paying attention to them in perticular, so they don't want to do anythin that would make them interesting.

 

is a DC crossover event, of course is a mess to keep track of even with all the issues at hand.

 

Except every other time we've seen a Paul get kidnapped it was a giant blue hand, not Manhunters

 

So are they off to the next parallel Earth? Cause I wanted to see the fallout of Red Paul smashing the Mayor in a highly visible and public manner. Then again the SEP bullshit would probably make everyone think it was kids on PCP playing with a cigarette lighter near a gas leak or something.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Yes. Well spotted.

No, I haven't written it yet. It didn't seem to fit in the Brazil episode.

He's picking up more SI-variants. The concern is that he will find out that this group are working with Time Trapper.

 

Krona got his finger sliced by renegade and may be more cautious now.

He could have also lost his power, or at least a portion of it, seeing as the blade can kill gods and strip them of their power, though seeing as he isn't an arcane being maybe he is imune.

The other reason he is sending Manhunters instead of doing it himself may be beacuse he doesn't have time to do it and needs to focus on his project.

 

Okay but why the Manhunters? He seemed perfectly fine doing it himself before and sending robots that can be fairly easily defeated by any Lantern with a decent understanding of their abilities seems extremely inefficient

 

Why would a doppleganger of a DC hero be alive in the Buffyverse?

Only way something like that is happening is with literal divine intervention.