With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

*Dons his bilingual native speaker hat*

As I said in the post you quoted Arachneros is not a word, name or anything else but a word jumble in greek, Arachnios on the other hand could be translated as Spidery although it would be more accurate to say it translates to something like "of spiders", in the same way chthonios (χθόνειος) means "of the earth" (as in chthonioi theoi (χθόνειοι θεοί) - gods of the earth / more commonly (and inaccurately) translated as gods of the underworld).

The reason why I offered "arachnakias" or "arachnis" as nicknames is that they are what a native user would use as a nickname for someone under those circumstances.

Xenios (greek Ξένιος) is the title of Zeus as the protector of visitors and comes from the root xenos (ξένος) which means foreigner, not local or stranger and was usually used in the same context as the wild west "Howdy stranger!", it was NOT a nickname and it was considered a really big deal to not offer hospitality / philoxenia (φιλοξενία) to someone who requested it. As in offending Zeus personally big deal (and thus risking getting fried by lightning bolt). That said it is not that it did not happen just that it happening had very severe social and political repercussions for whomever did it.

Finally the "somethingphile" family of terms did not start and is not an euphemism of anything (although it can be used as such). It means quite literally "someone who is friendly towards something/someone" (zoophilos (ζωόφιλος) - friend of animals) or "someone who cares about something/someone" (mousicophilos (μουσικόφιλος) - lover of music) or "someone for whom something is very important" (alithiophilos (αληθειόφιλος) - literally truth-friend).
What I am trying to say is that such a term could be used to describe him but not as a name or a nickname. You could claim that Paul is an arachnophile but it would be a description or a label.

on the "philarachnos" side of things it is not a more polite way to say he likes spiders, it means something closer to "someone who helps and takes care (in possibly the sense of charity) of spiders". See: philanthropos (φιλάνθρωπος) - someone who performs charities.

 

DadGrayven is a better dad.

Paul is a glorified sperm donor.

 

Hey now we haven't seen how Paul will deal with this situation.

Other versions of Paul have adopted children and seem to be good parents, so chances are paragon will also be that.

Even if he decides not to become a father I can understand it since the only thing he did with the Queen was give her a book and not a piece of his genetic material or anything like that.

This might actually get him to become closer to Superman, since both of them had a kid made without them knowing about it.

Granted Kon is technically a rape child made from Supes stolen genetic material and was created by Luthor, who is Supes ultimate enemy, so Supes has a whole lot more reason to not want to have anything to do with Kon.

 

Oh my, I almost let out a squee!

Paul really should go back to Themyscira and clarify though.

Because this has all the makings of a running joke.

 

He literally has FTL coms, he could have at least called earlier.

In Grayven's case he at least left his daughter living with relatives and then fully adopted her.

 

He didn't even know the Queen did this and it would be somewhat far fetched to think that she would create an entire generation of Guilders with the mindset from his book.

If he left her a commication device then she could have called him, or she could have asked Kori to contact him. Kori apparently called him of her own volition, not because the Queen asked her to.

The moment he found out she did this he went there.

 

(bows)
Nomf nom gnom nom gronch nom nomf urp.

 

Maybe it's just me, but, I'd really like to read a fanfic based on this... Not the incident, the life of the unfortunate child.

Some think that Loki was the odd one out, among the Norse gods, not because he was a Frost Giant, but because he was a Finnish god...

Zeus is a (limited) shape-shifter, Loki is a master class one. What's the child going to be like? Think of all the aunts and uncles...

Who gets to raise this poor child? What does Hera think? What does Sigyn (Loki's wife) think? What do you do when you find your mother's other child is an eight-legged horse?

 

And the world serpent. And Ferris the wolf.

Edit: Fenris. What the fuck is Ferris the wolf?

 

Loki had quite a few children, Fenris, Jormungandr and Hela being the really impressive ones. But, he fathered them, the only one he's listed as being the mother of is Sleipnir, Odin's eight-legged horse...

Makes me wonder if OL will ever run into the Norse pantheon, as Old Gods who otherwise just lurk on the background, rather than the Greek gods who seem to get all the stage time...

Or, we get to ask if the World Serpent knows the Ophidian...

Or, whether Anansi, the Spider, a trickster god, has anything to do with anything...

"Eris and Anansi, Sitting in a tree, T.r.o.ll.i.n.g."

 

Problem: Smol Spider says making them humanoid with spider characteristics wouldn't work because then people would just think she was a random humanoid doing good and not the Spider Guild itself doing good.

Solution: Make the entire nest into humanoids with spider characteristics so that people will have no choice but to associate the spider waifus with the Spider Guild.

 

What they need to do is involve a friendly Martian, like I don't know who, approach a posthuman race that like blending lesser races just to see what happens, and, Viola!

(BTW, that last isn't a misspelling. )

What could go wrong?

 

They may want to have the galaxy associate the Spider Guild with things other than just eating people.

The OLC may be less of a stickler when it comes to genocide and may try to exterminate all the various Guilds in the future, but this way the Spiders can see an opportunity to save themselves by abandoning their ways and knowing that they can be accepted because of the Vega Guild would make them agreeable to the changes, because if they don't see one of their Guilds accepted they might try to go out swinging, killing many Lanterns in the process.

 

Oh, I know. Seeing Thor: Ragnarok was a shock, because both the Wolf and Hela are Loki's spawn, and he's generally a family man.

Spoiler: videos on the Norse Pantheon relating to Loki

 

I can imagine the next few updates focus on Paul negotiating visitation rights with the Spider Queens, return to Themyscria to introduce his new "daughter", and then find future babysitters in his teammates and (great) grandpa Alan.

Plus there's that scene from season 3 where the parents/significant others of heroes have a playdate with the kids, and a teenage spider girl is there to help while Paul acts as a host.

 

Nearly every construct he makes is actually his AI and not his own skills.

Or did you forget that actually making a construct involves envisioning each and every piece of what you want to create?

That "preparing yourself" stuff is something solely created solely by Zoat to explain how his SI could use the ring and create a corp when nobody in the comics/animated shows has ever been able to use the orange light without quickly going insane.

 

No, you're thinking of the Green light of Will. Orange light simply requires that you want the construct enough.

That is the entire premise of the fic. Unless the story is not internally consistent with that premise and its ramifications, criticising it is not only pointless, but boneheaded. Next you might as well say the DC Universe is bunk because superpowers don't exist. Of course, they don't, that's the premise of the stories within it.

 

Yes, yes this needs to happen.

He doesn't use particularly complex technological constructs all the time and while he may need the rings database to figure out what something he's creating is made like, he still needs his own skill in orange light manipulation to actually pull it of.

Pretty sure that only three people have used orange rings in the comics, Larfleeze, Luthor and Reyner.

There may have been more, but Reyner was able to use the ring without going crazy. A handful of people going crazy by wearing something powerful doesn't mean that everybody that does that will go insane.

There were plenty of Red Lanterns in the comics that showed the capability to reason and not let their hatred rule them.

 

No, actually, all Red Lanterns went mad with hate and anger when they become Lanterns, and had to take a dip in the lake of blood to regain their sanity. The difference here is that the Red rings had magic used to make them, and the madness was an intended function of the ring, and not a result of being overwhelmed by the Red light, which is further on the spectrum than Orange.

 

Oh, well forgot about that.

Still in the animated show several lanterns were shown to be...saneish, at least enough that they're not raging berserkers all the time, and I don't think there was magic blood pool to help them regaing some of their sanity.

At least it proves that there are ways you can utilize a light further from the spectrum while still being functional.

 

That's not true in this story, and it's certainly not true in any of the animated series or comics.

No, the premise of this fic is "Self Insert given a power ring and thrown into Young Justice".

Reyner used an Orange Ring in tandem with the other power rings.

Not on it's own.

The Animated Series also showed that just being in proximity to the orange light was enough to drive people insane.

Also it took countering the Red Light's rage with Love and Hope before the user was able to recover himself.

 

Pretty sure Paul and Zoat have both said multiple times that all the wielder has to do is want something enough and the ring fills in all the details if they are creating a machine of some kind, but it still requires the wielder to be able to utilize the orange light safely.

The premise of this fic is to show how something that can be used for evil can be used for constructive purposes, like wielding a greed powered tool to improve society, and showing how supervillain tech can be used to improve society. The premise of this fic is to basically subvert the superhero genre in a rational way. Instead of heroes and villain creating tech to fight and crate crime they can use it to better society and enrich themselves, societies actually learning and adapting from various crises, like accepting magic is real after a mass murder caused by magic etc.

Reyner still wielded the orange ring without going insane and the fact that he was still able to wield all those rings without going crazy proves that the various lights can be wielded without someone suffering insanity.

 

John Moore didn't go insane. And it's not completely clear that Atrocitus did either.

 

Wonder how Rankorr and Raul would get along.

Both are British rage ring wielders.

Raul would finally have someone that can understand his British sense of humor.

 

"I'm sorry, you're calling yourself what?"

 

It is EXPLICITLY that way in this story. I don't want to comb the story only to find it, but it comes up when OL is teaching Guy and asks why they don't do the complex shit he does like railguns.

 

Hey lots of people in the superhero/Villain community take on other names.

Naming himself after one of the most recognisable alien monsters in cinema is a whole lot better then when Tim Drake changed his superhero name to Drake.

Drake is a type of duck.

New God's also change their names when they get their power.

Paul may also just call himself Illustres in the future, and not just as his title and occupation, if that chapter in the MLP verse during the first April Fools was any indication.

Rankorr also just sounds like the coolest name to call yourself if you become a Red Lantern.

He and Paul also have several things in common.

Both are British guys that were just average Joe's before they got their rings, are able to wield a light that typically drives people crazy in a relatively safe manner and brought changes to their respective Lantern Corps.

They also disabled the leader of their respective Corps. Paul captured Larfleezes, Rankorr killed Atrocitus.

 

They fill in the details via the AI handling them.

The only Paul that applies to is the JLAU one.

For all the others it's just face punching.

Also that "not going insane" lasted for roughly 5 seconds and then we got.



Rayner being overwhelmed and going crazy.

The only reason he ended snapping out of it, was being blasted by the Violet light, which in canon, pretty much just shuts down Orange to the level of being able to even briefly return Larfleeze to sanity.

 

"Why are you spending time with people you clearly despise rather than following through on your own grudges? Why have you not sought advice from any of this planet's many superheroes? Why did you keep the ring if not to enact vengeance? Why is your head on fire?"

 

I can't help but feel like even this is not a true, inherent limitation of the Green light. If Orange light can work by just wanting the end result (and knowing what method it requires), then there's no reason Will can't do the same kind of thing with AI support (Willing the end result, so long as you know the method). It would simply be a matter of the ring's AI support covering for all of the actual details/intricacies of the constructs you're willing into existence. Fundamentally speaking, it makes no sense at all for Orange power rings to be able to have the AI handle all of the details (so long as they're known to the ring AI) while Green power rings, even with the same level of AI, could not. It would seem far more likely to me that the ring AI for green power rings are simply less developed in this regard, possibly due to neglect or lack of imagination on the part of the Guardians (since they can probably do all of the complex detail work/multi-processing required for complex green constructs themselves without AI support, and so never really comprehended the problem or how to fix it for other races...and maybe because they wanted to maintain an inherent advantage against any Green Lanterns they made, both to maintain their authority and standing and to be able to put any of them down if they ever got sufficiently uppity). Paul's ring never had that problem because Hinon designed her ring with the explicit understanding that it would need to work well for someone without any guidance or Maltusian allies to fall back on.

Because if it really was an inherent limitation, then AIs would be inherently VASTLY superior Green Lanterns (Guardians excepted), with the ability to focus extensively on a vast array of parts/things simultaneously and maintain Will for all of them, allowing for extremely complex constructs (and many of them, simultaneously) with no loss of focus unless directly damaged.

The inherent advantages of Green light are that you can use it very deeply all the time without losing your sanity (even if you aren't enlightened), and partly as a result of that, you have an advantage in the sheer strength of your constructs in almost all circumstances. By contrast, without enlightenment, most other colors struggle to operate at all when feeling substantial amounts of other emotions whilst in action (or just not feeling enough of their respective emotion--see Paul struggling to heal dying children after the first bunch because he was too overwhelmed by compassion and couldn't maintain avarice).