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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    After the whole incident with The Key, Paragon really should consider 'learning' Godspeech, at least as much as he's able to. He picked up the words of the Anti-Life broadcast in that episode, I believe. His pre-enlightenment orange thought processes registered as Godspeech to Scott and Barda when they first met, so I think he should be able to manage something similar now.
     
  2. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    don't mind a degree -> don't mind losing a degree
    Ooo, that makes sense. That was a while ago, good job remembering it.
     
  3. Darko

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    Granted this Grayven is very, very different than his comic counterpart in a lot of ways.

    Oh, please, overcompensating is an Apokaliptian trait that's not limited to just him.

    Did you see the ships Darkseid has in the show?

    I think it's more macro-managing, like just giving them all an order, but not focusing on every single one of them.

    I wouldn't call Canis a friend, more like a coworker.

    Some people that know OL would feel horrified that there are two of them.

    He was able to break whatever spell Melmoth had on that New God zombie, so maybe he can.

    He may honestly be using a different type of portal.

    In the comics he tried to get his hands on Zeta Beam tech to help him, so maybe this version is also using something other than a Boom Tube, because maybe it was damaged somehow, or it needs power to run which he can't provide.

    Oh, I'm betting he recognizes it.

    She may not want to be anywhere near Canis.

    And can you blame her.

    Wouldn't you be insulted to be told to spend time with someone like Canis.

    I think you would, and also will be very scared.

    To get some art done.

    Maybe it's an artistic turn on you pervert!

    It's either her, or Paul.

    Or both.

    Would he recognize Grayven if he saw the speech?

    Grayven and he may not have even met, due to just not having the opportunity, or Grayven leaving Apokalips.
     
  4. gustyeagle

    gustyeagle Know what you're doing yet?

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    Yeah, it was any orange text, Scott and Barda seemed to hear. It seems kinda strange that he doesn't have a better handle on it already. There is no way that Godspeech is as complicated as his orange instant transmission.
     
  5. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    "whut?"

    -All the other lanterns
     
  6. Darko

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    The reason he probably hasn't learned it by now may be because he doesn't deal with New God related things all that often.

    The only missions I can remember involving a New God were the fight with Kanto, the Key and that cult.

    He may not try to learn it because there is no pressing need to learn it.

    It may also be more difficult for him to learn it since his soul is very, very odd.
     
  7. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    or at minimum have a shared foundation/significant overlap, agreed!
     
  8. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I assume that in the long-run, he'll want to do something about Darkseid, so familiarizing himself with New God stuff will be useful. Familiarity with how New Gods work would also have potentially been useful during the fight with the grundygod whose name I forget (either Aurakles or Aurakles's daughter), even just in realizing what was going on faster.

    The fact that he's already approximated Godspeech, to Sott and Barda and also to the Sphere in a rough way, does make it sound like a feasible thing for him to do- more difficult than a typical New God, most likely, but still worthwhile.
     
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  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  10. WorstMirari

    WorstMirari the girl in blue

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    ooooh I picked an excellent time to get caught up!
    (as always, thanks for writing, Zoat!)
     
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  11. Sorrow

    Sorrow Getting sticky.

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    If it is Graven-A (for actual), then he might be looking to make "friends". In the "Orange Lantern Corp, bow before your God!" sort of way?
     
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  12. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Versed in the lewd.

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    With how the Sheeda was handled, I figure Renegade will fight darkside Earth or Apokalyse on while Paragon deals with an invasion on Earth or an OL corp invasion of Apokalypse. One half will be the Apokalyptian army/elites. One half will be the big man himself.
     
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  13. gustyeagle

    gustyeagle Know what you're doing yet?

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    I agree, but OL is really underestimating the importance of new god stuff. Mother and Father boxes, anti-life, New Gods, and Darkseid are either huge threats or significant power multipliers he should be looking into.

    edit : He has been struggling with quite a bit of anti-life stuff, and a little bit of intergang. You'd think that almost dyeing to a necomatic baby construct might have left a bigger impact
     
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  14. Pez

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    I think the question is, and in 1000+ pages, this probably has been addressed before, but does this story follow what we learned about Darkseid attacking Earth in the 12th Century, and only leaving after making a deal with Savage? I would assume not, given the existing interactions with Apokolips.

    Of course, everything dealing with New Gods in S3 kinda makes what happened in S1 seem stupid.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Probably not, but I doubt it will matter.
     
  16. Darko

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    Ehh, he hasn't really dealt with New God things as much as other things, so it's understandable that he wouldn't focus on it as much, especially since he also deals with other things.

    Season 3 was just dissapointing, at least in my opinion.

    And yeah, that thing with Savage probably didn't happen here.

    I think the Light started working with Darkseid after Psimon and Queen Bee made contact with Apokalips, at least I seem to remember Paul mentioning that, and not since the 12th century.
     
  17. Pez

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    That's what I thought, but it never hurts to ask.

    I think the entire thing with Apokolips was just a way to create more conflict, and give the Light more power. Because, let's be honest, Darkseid doesn't need to make deals. If he wants metahumans, he'd just conquer us and take them, like the Reach did.

    And... how the Reach took Earth if we had some deal with Darkseid is beyond me. Unless the Light asked for help, and Darkseid just laughed at Savage.

    S3 was horrible. I wanted "Young Justice", and I got "Outsiders" with some political and social justice crap thrown in.
     
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  18. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    He's probably underestimating the importance of it because he doesn't realize he's in a homebrew universe where the New Gods have been super buffed from anything shown in the comics.
     
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  19. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    I'm uncertain that this is actually a buff, just more well-defined. New Gods in comic canon are really rather poorly described, and it's hard to get a good idea on just how powerful they are. They're clearly meant to be powerful -- they wouldn't be called "Gods" if they weren't.
     
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  20. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    The Norse Gods, whose Space equivalents are the basis for the New Gods, weren't even innately immortal. They had to eat golden apples to stay young.

    The Norse Gods, who got their divine artifacts stolen, got kidnapped, etc.

    Baldur, who died from an arrow wound.

    The Norse Gods who recruited mortals to fight the Giants at Ragnarok.

    You are taking baggage from some cosmologies and trying to apply it universally where it doesn't apply.

    Hell, considering New Gods are a stealth sequel to Marvel's Thor, let's take a look here.

    Thor had Sif almost becoming a bride of Dracula.

    Thor had one of his god buddies rushed to a hospital after being shot. Yes, somewhere in the Marvel universe there are doctors who can put "Surgically removed bullets from a god to save his life" on their resume.

    Now as for the New Gods themselves, people seem to have trouble grokking something- Their powers are individual, not generic.

    Comparing the power levels of Darkseid, a universe conquerer, to the slaves who literally lick his boots is an immensely silly exercise.

    There's a Mr Miracle issue in which Barda had to save Scott's life by tanking a boulder for him.
     
  21. Threadmarks: Over Reaching (part 9)
    Mr Zoat

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    3rd July 2012
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    Fixed positions in space are… A mixed blessing. Certain types of weapons -kinetics, mostly- can hit from almost any distance away, but since the citadel doesn't need to be able to move the normal problems of moving large masses don’t limit its armour or other defences. If you fire kinetic weapons at it, it can deal with them with its flak batteries or just tank it. But at the same time, if someone can point a sufficiently large gun at you and you can't move, you're toast, while a far smaller ship -or a Lantern- might be able to evade.

    In this region major battle fortresses are popular with anyone who can afford them because of the combination of popular offensive strategies and defensive strategies. The most dangerous single things are Scarab Warriors and Lanterns, who combine a high damage output with extremely high evasiveness. Structures are therefore mostly defensive, with electronic warfare, shields and point defences. And that's great most of the time. But that New God warship has a gun most of the Reach fleet could fly into.

    The initial shots come from the gordanian ships as they copy our actions, squadrons shifting position to destroy beacons and mines. A few Reach fire support ships take shots at… I'm guessing the dreadnaught, but at this distance their shots won't hit for nearly a minute even if the dreadnaught maintains its course perfectly. In open space ships with FTL guns are deadly, but in a place where everyone is trying to gum up the working of space-time they're not much more effective than other types of big gun-focused ship.

    The dreadnaught isn't firing yet. I can see what I think are weapon mounts, but I'm not sure what their optimal range is and I doubt that a New God is going to try fighting anything as small as a b-

    By My Order Be Unmade.

    A Reach battleship, several nearby escorts and a bastion station behind it are reduced to vapour in an explosion..?

    -uoy

    O-w. Ow.

    No, what-?

    Focus. That was an FTL weapon, with the rather confusing profile of appearing to hit before they're fired. There was no sign of any sort of charge build-up in the dreadnaught's primary weapon, but the destroyed ships were in a direct line with the ship's long axis. So they've got FTL sensors as well, which… Some gordanians used to buy that sort of technology from the psions, but it's unusual. Lanterns get spoilt by their FTL sensors; most fleet engagements happen between groups of people who can only see where the other side used to be.

    By My Hand Be Cast Down.

    This time the dreadnaught strikes the planet directly, the facility's shield failing to do a thing to block the shot as it disintegrates the main base, the surrounding land, the… Well, the moon was a frozen desert, but now it’s a frozen desert that's been knocked out of its orbit by a combination of the force of the shot and the rapid evaporation of about a twentieth of its mass, the now-visible core of the world doing that.. interesting combination of freezing and boiling that water does in a vacuum.

    Never seen rock do that before, though I suspect this is going to become a recurring theme of this war. And not just by our enemies; Dox assured me that we won't be doing it to worlds that still have hostage populations-. 'Salvageable' hostage populations, but once we get to the point where we're directly fighting worlds whose populations consist entirely of Reach citizens I imagine that I shouldn't expect much restraint.

    The Reach fleet gets underway, accelerating at… Yes, their best speed towards the gordanians. Even allowing that the rest of the fleet is more potent than what most gordanian mercenaries manage… Yes, I can calculate their damage output based on how quickly they destroyed that first Reach ship, scale upwards… The Reach fleet should easily win if the dreadnaught isn't factored in. I don't have any idea of what its secondary and tertiary weapons can do, so it's impossible to say who truly has the advantage.

    But I don't think that someone who could get their hands on a New God warship would have judged their entry into this war carelessly.

    Dox is getting.. a lot of requests for orders. I'm not hearing any responses.

    I don't have any rank in L.E.G.I.O.N., but Orange Lanterns are very much my concern. I don't want to undermine Dox, but if he isn't.. saying anything…

    Illustres to all Lanterns.

    "Looks like a New God can have a midlife crisis."

    It's a weak witticism, and I doubt the Lanterns who don’t come from a species with the standard pattern humanoid reproductive system would understand the reference.

    "I hope that everyone is watching very carefully and recording precisely the capacities of the gordanian fleet. The sensors the L.E.G.I.O.N. fleet uses are good, but they're not power rings. And while I'm sure that everyone is disappointed that someone is going to beat us to killing a Reach fleet… There are plenty more where they came from."

    I don't do anything exotic, but the orange lights around me intensify… Or rather, return to their previous intensity after dipping when the gordanian fleet appeared. I'm not a particularly good public speaker and I don't have a personal relationship with these Lanterns so there's probably not much more I can do until Dox decides what he wants us to do. I could try contacting that dreadnaught directly, or try reaching Councillor Vayneek to discover their intentions… But I don't want to undermine Dox.

    The Reach fleet is firing in earnest, now, as the gordanians continue to accelerate and cluster tighter. Reach prow-mounted primary weapons are all firing at the dreadnaught, which-. Definite lateral movement, there. Trying to move itself out of the densest cone of fire? Those weapons are a good deal slower than light, so-.

    This time, I see the moment when the fleet-scale boom tube appears.

    It opens just in front of the dreadnaught, the entire fleet passing through before all but the earliest shots from the Reach intersect with their former position. Okay, are they.. disengaging? Somewhat anticlimactic, but if they just want to soften our target up for-.

    Then the exit appears, immediately behind the Reach fleet. The smaller gordanian ships are out first, shooting after the larger Reach ships and rapidly closing to point blank range. Reach ships are tough, but their attackers have a weapon loadout focused on short range bombardment and are highly skilled at coordinating their fire. One gun-battleship has its shields breached before it can reorientate them, the barrage breaking its armour and piercing its primary generators a moment later.

    Reach return fire is slower but not slow, hampered more by the relative position of the fleets than the sloth of the crews. They're turning, but their formation isn't designed to fight an enemy coming from that direction and-.

    And then the dreadnaught is through and their efforts-

    By My Will, Cease.

    -all seem rather irrelevant.

    Two battleships this time, and I think… It's targeting the Reach fleet's flags. And it turns out that it does have secondary weapon batteries and I can't even see the Reach fleet's return fire now. Scaled up Apokoliptian blasters. Far slower than light but far more powerful than the infantry version. Reach ships crumple, their shields failing in moments and their hulls only shortly afterwards. That… Means there's a powerful New God on that dreadnaught, either that or a team of less powerful ones perfectly coordinating themselves.

    The gordanians aren't having it entirely their own way. One of the flanking Reach squadrons manages to reposition itself and make a coordinating counterattack. Two gordanian cruisers are caught while attacking a.. carrier? And reduced to drifting hulks as the squadron heads for a gordanian battleship a little way behind them. They're also careful to keep a number of gordanian ships between them and the dreadnaught, which isn't a terrible idea

    But I've seen Canis, Scott Free and Barda interact with New God technology. The commander of that ship isn't going to miss in a situation like this. The only question is whether they take the shot themselves or order the battleship to deal with it. The fact that they haven't shared blaster technology with the gordanian ships suggests that they aren't perfectly cooperating… So what wins out? Pride in the power of their fleet, or contempt for those who fail to grasp their own power?

    The battleship spots the attack and opens fire, its primary and secondary batteries picking targets by class. Its support squadron turn away from their targets a moment later, moving to flank the attackers. The Reach ships are dying faster than their worse-positioned comrades, so if this is a sacrificial-.

    The dreadnaught fires, miss-.

    No. Ring, show me that again.

    Compliance.

    No, not missing. The squadron's command ship had a Scarab Warrior who was flying at the gordanian battleship. The dreadnaught apparently considered that to be the only thing the battleship couldn't deal with on its own. And two blaster secondary batteries are enough to shred a Scarab Warrior.

    I look back to the ongoing combat, only to find that it's not really ongoing. The Reach fleet has ceased to be, the few survivors being pursued as they try to flee. They aren't getting away though; the dreadnaught is opening smaller boom tubes for the cruisers to intercept them, all the while turning to-

    Trouble Me No More.

    -utterly shatter the moon with its main gun.

    Huh.

    Then a new fleet-scale boom tube opens just ahead of our fleet.
     
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  22. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    maybe 'kinetic'

    'who truly has'
     
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    Vaermina Well worn.

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    And this is where LEGION get's an offer Dox won't refused.
     
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    hance1986 A pitiful excuse for a man.

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    So allies of convenience between LEGION and Lord Grayven? Possible. But if this is the 16 version of canon Grayven? We've gotten spoiled with Renegade Grayven. And Paragon Grayven is not having his divine portfolio usurped by the SI.

    An issue I would like to see more is Paul's orange light perception and awareness and how it works with the unspoken New God elements, like the Godspeak.
     
  25. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    So the toss is between Grayven merely trying to scavenge some Reach territory or attacking the Corps as well.

    Mentally healthy people wouldn't even consider a two front war like this, but no one has ever acused Apokalyptians of being mentally sound.
     
  26. liger0

    liger0 Getting out there.

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    Well... shit. I take it that actual!Grayven is there to kick asses, take names &/or conquer planets and he doesn't rightly care whose asses he kicks.
     
  27. thebishop8

    thebishop8 Umm, ackchyually...

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    The last line from the previous chapter is above the date, I'm assuming that's unintentional.
     
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    What is a 'kimetic'?
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  29. Darko

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    I meant 'kinetic'
     
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    frommerman Getting out there.

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    Grayven's whole thing is conquest. He wants the territory and the supplication of the survivors. The OLC, on the other hand, just wants genocide. They don't care about the territory, just about removing the Reach from it.

    I think their values are sufficiently orthogonal as to not intersect. Assuming Grayven is willing to talk at all before opening fire, I anticipate either an alliance or non-aggression pact.
     
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