With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Would the fic end if Paul dies? Wouldn't that make the universe revolve around him? Wouldn't that make him the most important person in the universe?

Paul is mostly joking, but there is some truth there.

 

Well a topic in this debate is relations with aliens, so maybe some alien relations are necessary to be shown.

I imagine either a new era of political unity and peace.

Ohh, who am I kidding, civil war is the most likely thing.

He's a politician, what did you expect?

There's a difference between these two?

At least it's accurate.

I doubt it.

With telepathy it's possible that Martians may not react all that well to such violence.

 

No, that's corrrect.

No, 'Statist' in that he wants the Counsel to act as the governing body of a nation state.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Nothing is really stopping you from using it on others.

Plus with Martians being protean and all that, the 'plug/socket' system may not fully apply to them.

If he does die then maybe the author can continue to write the story, but through the POV of the other characters.

 

Considering we've seen future Paragon exist what seems to be millennia in the future, I don't think that's something to worry about. Would make an interesting alternate timeline though; what if the SI died early on in the story, and his ring got picked up by someone else?

 

Without him, there is no story.
He's going meta, breaking the 4th wall here

 

Alternatively you could use the singular "they" like a grammatically correct person.

I mean, I'm not about to try and defend the purity of the English language - it being about as pure as yellow snow - but we don't need to dick around with novel and widely unaccepted pronouns when we already have a perfectly good gender neutral pronoun and we have for seven hundred years.

 

'They' is also used to refer to multiple people, while 'zhe' is just used for a single individual and is a gender neutral pronoun.

 

But he already died on Christmas? The War Pigeon 'disincorporated' him very thoroughly with his flaming sword. Ofc this fic is still set in DCverse so Pavlos got better.

 

Um, English already has a gender-neutral pronoun, it's "they" (and yes, they can be singular, it's been that way for quite a long time, about the 14th century).

 

Ehh, figured out that people started using 'zhe' as a gender neutral pronoun a few years ago and just started using it myself.

 

Zhe is gaining prominence because of how easily they/them can be turned exclusionary. They is often used in the context of others not in this group/outsiders. I will personally use they unless requested to use a different term. But i no longer hate the word 'zhe' as making English even more confusing since i had this explained to me a few weeks ago when i looked it up when Zoat used it.

The talk on martians i still have in my head, and the gender talk now has me wondering how martian genders work.

Do they change whenever they want, choose one and stay as it, only have a single gender, have a caste instead of gender system were they have the genders white/red/green, do they become the opposite gender of whoever is the most dominant/submissive in a relationship? Do they stay genderless for a while and choose/get assigned a gender? or is it like color and you just are a male/female same as you are a white/red/green. Because of guardian interference i hesitate to say both are the same.

I'm just really confused why martians have a gender.

 

The martians have sex because the Guardians deciding that leaving their existing reproductive system in place was a bad idea and used the most common one as a replacement.

 

Snu snu is a practical and fun method.

Also hoe many Martians want to come to earth because of Jonzz Jarkin, or whatever the Martian porn star's name was?

 

Mr Zoat
Has anyone done a horror show marathon with M'gann? Like The Thing for instance?

 

Was that intentional?

Not all that many, because he included his experiences in transit.

Early on, yes. She mostly used it as an excuse to cling on to Kon.

 

Ok, this has been bothering me since the witchfolk episode. When he went to the planet where womenfolk had their eyes ritually extracted, he noped the fuck out. Picked someone that had been victimized, gave them an orange ring, and let them ho to town. Didn't care about the historical context. Didn't try talking to anyone or offering technology to easily manufacture and implant cybernetic eyes even better than the ones lost, and lobbying to the sympathetic that their religion only required their birth eyes be given up when they came of age, not that they remain blinded, and making them stay blinded was a sadism separate than their religious vows. And only moving against the intractable.

When he went to witch world, he met people who had personally been victimized by the society.he was working with. Who ancestors and been forced into magical oaths that mutilated those who broke them, in a way that was hereditary. Where those who were descended from the original oathbreaker were treated the same as if they had broken the oath themselves. Who were not protected by the society, but were still haunted by it even when they left into lands it did not cultivate or inhabit, and had no reasonable claim.

Where if they were found they were attacked and killed for daring to band together for mutual protection. This is something people he personally interacted with had experienced, whose desires he could see. He talked to the Lord Protector, and learned he was aware of the issue, and thought it right and proper.

What happened to "When I see the evils of the universe, I shall rejoice. For when I am done, the evils of the universe shall be one less."?

Why did he work with one society and not the other. Why did he give an Orange ring to one victim and not the other.

Instead of shrugging, why didn't he tell the Lord Protector that if those actions happened again, those in charge would be held accountable, or speak with the assembly, and if they were not swayed, do something like trigger the oathbreaking effect in them all (something someone in the episode mentioned he thought was possible), and tell them they might want to seriously investigate how to reverse the process now, offer free sterilisations if they were worried about their children inheriting the weight of their crimes, and imply to the average member the society that the assemblyman all were vulnerable to being marked as oathbreakers by disregarding the word of god as written in Ezekiel 18:20?

Or any of the other things he could do besides shrug his shoulders and ignore the issue, many of which were not that time intensive compared to the change they could bring about? Why did he care about one, and not the other? Why did one offend him, and not the other?

Spoiler: Troll Mode: Engaged

Are you a Nazi, Mr Zoat? Is that why evidence of programs and genocide of the innocent going on in the here and now don't bother you on a visceral level?

 

It's possible that he changed a bit of his behaviour somewhere between the eyeball planet and Witchworld, so he may not hold such beliefs as strongly as he did before.

And when they went to Witchworld they did so in an effort to obtain knowledge on the Sheeda, which the locals may have had, so he may have thought pissing them off when they could have knowledge that could help them stop the Sheeda invasion was a bad idea.

Also on the eyeball planet he went there himself, but on Witchworld several League members went there and they may not have liked it if he caused a diplomatic incident, even if they also disliked the society.

 

In space, the SI has a considerable degree of autonomy. He is answerable only to Dox and to the Controllers.

On a Justice League mission, he agrees to follow the commands of whoever is in command. In this case, Diana. In addition, he had a need to gather information for the Sheeda invasion, though events made that a good deal less important than he'd assumed.

Spoiler: Alright then

 

Self aware that he is an SI?

 

Well Ambush Bug called him that, and during the multi Paul crisis thing some of them talked about the fictional universes they are in, so maybe he does realize it now.

 

Oh. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

 

Eh... It seems more likely he just has a giant ego given everything we have seen...

 

Accidental typo.

Awwwwww. Earth would have welcomed them with open arms.

Ans possibly open legs.

 

missing an ' in this.

'to do it'

Ohh, boy, are you in for a surprise.

'moves'

Now I wonder how this OL's interaction with Karmang will go.

 

I suppose it shows that some delegation is expected. Those like P'thet probably consider policing below those of 'Noble' status...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Big assumption, OL. Those Reds might well have been in ceremonial positions.

Because Humanity has the will and the ability to do so. You want a say in your border security, you'll have to participate in defending them properly.

In other words: "There's a lot of Whites. Why shouldn't we recruit them to increase our numbers?" And he wants the external military under the purview of the planetary council? Sensible, given the attitude of some prelates...

Understandable. It's a pretty big revelation. I don't doubt more than a few Martians in the know are doing the same.

And here we go...

Quite the concession. Presumably one or two will talk, relaying questions from others...

An interesting visual. Necessary for the ability to vocalise, of course. Still, reminds me of some of J'onn J'onnz' later humanoid forms...

I mean, he's not going to be recruiting solely from that one city... But better not to complicate matters at this stage.

Species like the Clickers, of course. Or the Spider Guild...

And harming them will make them want to harm the ones doing it... Violently.

Which we know to largely be historical coverups, after all. I suppose, in those early days as they found their feet after the Guardian's meddling, influential personalities would naturally play a part...

Besides population density, in which case the Whites would have taken priority...

...It's probably a good thing he can't pick up the no doubt very loud telepathic exclamations he provoked with that little statement...

So P'thet and those like her may well be a very vocal minority... Isn't that always the way?

Is it wrong to hope that one of the White planning to speak is Karmang in disguise? If only so we get to see the reactions of the Prelates to his continued existence?

'My, these human faces have some unusually delightful muscles...'

Heh. I bet he was hoping to rattle a few cages, so to speak, with that line. He seemed almost disappointed.

Oh, boy. Good thing you have that human face, it's going to be a priceless image...

Come now, S'yrra, you're honestly surprised? You should realise by now that Humans are Bullshit...

Then again, what even happens to Martian minds when they die? There's no grand repository of uploads of dying Martians' minds, after all. I suppose those who are aware of impending mortality can share their knowledge with trusted friends so it's not lost...

**Seriously, my lord, Humans are insane!** Man, imagine if he tried, and succeeded... I mean, we know he can't because Karmang's not dead, but they don;t know that...

So, I expect the White Martians will have their say tomorrow. These little political scenes are always nice breathers, with lots of fun character conversation...

 

"I would like to call as my witness...SPACE JESUS!"

shocked gasps, dramatic zoom

 

Actually his first students were Reds, and he trained them because they felt the most like the Burners, so he may have been more comfortable with them.

Depends on how much they actually revere Karmang.

Yeah that bitch Prelate was a zealot, but these guys may be more moderate.

Politicians often times pay lip service to divine figures, so maybe the same is true on Mars.

And yet somehow they can have a lot of power.

She hasn't dealt with them all that much so that hasn't settled in.

The only time I remember a Martian afterlife was in the 2018 Lucifer comic.

Lucifer was going to various afterlives and dimensions to find a place where his baby mama could reside in and one of those places was the Martian afterlife.

It did not go well when the resident god insulted him.

Though the only places where he didn't cause chaos, suffering, or humiliation was in the Green, who told him flesh and blood beings may not reside with them, but were otherwise polite, and when he went to Baron Samedi, who politely told him his afterlife isn't suited for his ex girlfriend.

And there was the Hindu afterlife where he had to swim through a pool of liquid nothingness to have a meeting with a god, but otherwise was an okay meeting.

I never thought I'd see the day where someone said that politics was fun.

Usually that's only the case if SNL, Colbert, or John Oliver decide to make fun of it.

 

Is he trying to make things harder for himself? There's time and place for honesty. Was this supposed to win him friends in the presumably 99% Red Council? He wants those Whites allowed to leave and work for him right?