With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Thank you, corrected.

Altruism can't power an orange ring. The SI can help a vast array of people because he wants people, societies, the universe, to work in certain ways. Any benefit to other people is nice, but that's not where the construct power comes from. For this woman to use a ring she'd have to want to be selfless for selfish reasons, like being remembered well or having a glorious monument built after her death.

 

Have to say love when Paul goes full Spirit of Temptation/Deal with the Devil mode. Complete with glowing orange eyes.

 

Not to mention that a desire to live is kind of a key component for Orange Lanterns since that’s what controls how effective their defences are

 

Again.

 

What is a q'ardajin, and what differentiates it from a Qwardian?

Pointless pedantic point of order: To increase her height, she would need to increase the distance between her head and her feet.
If all she did was levitate herself a further from the ground to meet eyes with OL on an even keel, she didn't increase her height, she increased her altitude.

Remind me. Is Emana the nation/Queen that aided Thanagar in exchange for becoming their Queen and got shafted, who has advanced (magical) plant-based biotechnology OL was interested in. If not, who is he using in this example then?

Note that you are technically incorrect here. Decimate used to mean 'kill one in ten' exclusively.
That is no longer the only definition. It is no longer even the primary one. Now decimation is more like something that starts at a minimum of 10% total destruction and goes up from there. You would have been better off arguing that the damage to their race was so high, xenocide or annihilation were the more appropriate words when the deaths went above just a large percentage and approached totality. You would still have been technically incorrect (since something like 99.997% destruction is a large percentage), but your argument would have fit better.

How come when we do it, you call it 'Treason Day', but when you do it, you call it 'Principle'?

This segment is clunky. Quotes are normally used to indicate that 'these words are words that someone is saying' and make them easier to attribute to specific people. Even though ring to ring communication is being used instead of over the air speech, they are still communicating.

Having what he is saying to Gozzi given the same formatting was scenery narration is confusing, and just looks wrong.
At least consider italicizing the portion of their speech transmitted non-vocally if you don't want it to have quotation marks.

 

It's the home planet of the Branx, one of the species that lives in the Vega Systems.

 

A q'ardajin is what the Qwardians are really called in this story.

They apparently don't like aliens using their actual species name and are referred as Qwardians by others.

 

Thank you, corrected.

The people from Vega with the tusks.

I haven't shot anyone.

 

Hopefully this is for real and the Leentniar aren't trying to pull a fast one or something.

 

'of the'

'nod'

Missing a . at the end.

'make'

'they're'

As Morty said 'slavery with extra steps'.

'the plan'

Humans, AIs and Genomorphs.

Various magical species.

'turns away'

Helps us Orange Lantern, you're our only hope.

Now they're either tricking him or are genuinely under attack.

Is the next episode renegade focused or main SI?

 

Maybe the Reach was watching the Leentniar, and once they realized the Leentniar's use was expired decided to attack?

 

One of the local neighbours, then. Interesting that he's going one at a time rather than organising a conference call, but I suppsoe he can't count on all the local leaders to be awake and on duty at the same time...

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A bill that is going to be quite long by the time they're done, methinks. Let's hope this doesn't turn out like Germany after World War I...

That means working off their debts via serfdom, going by the context. Not all that different to what the actual deal is, but...

...Trying to be the good guy here, right? This situation might look a lot like the Reach's modus operandi for more resistant races, to outsiders... I can see someone getting the wrong idea.

But, As I said, they might not enjoy knowing it's hanging over their heads. Could lead to some bad feelings down the line.

With the threat of sending a fleet used as the stick to make sure they keep paying up. Again, not a situation unfamiliar to humanity, depressingly.

Admittedly, not quite as obvious as having a fleet hanging over their heads, but still...

That's the Reach's thing. I guess the PR game is not an easy one on an interstellar field.

Given all the feelings involved in NEMO's forces, that would entail there being enough of the core Reach species being left to repay them.

Ah, passing the buck. A little petty, but given how annoying Dox can be sometimes, a little irritation is good for him...

Having phenomenal metaphysical power as a racial trait makes that so much easier...

Ah, the alien perspective. This is why NEMO isn't just Maltusian-led. Never know what new ideas someone else will bring to the table...

And the representative has a moment of "what." Earth Bullshit^tm, baby.

Because Maltusians follow more intellectual pursuits. And ruling subjects gets in the way of that...

Anything that makes the galaxy a more peaceful place, I suppose.

No, let's not dilute the message with digressions.The less said about some Controllers' preference for large-scale destruction, the better.

I hope that was the last such talk he's had to give. That must have been boring as hell.

Nothing exploding right now? No invading planet-eaters? Huh. My plot-sense is usually never this off...

Ah, did she not check his personal files first thing? Because I would assume the name thing would be noted there.

Lady has a point. Some Earths are particularly divergent (that one pre-crisis world Lady Quark came from, for example...) but not that bad in OL's case.

Huh, if she going to work out his last name, then? I can see it being an interesting mental diversion for idle moments, much as it was here in the threads.

...Well, I suppose that counts as something exploding...

Well, there's an interesting wrinkle. I wonder what prompted this. Was it a regular Reach patrol coming across the Leentniar, or a targeted effort? Is it a real assault, or some manner of trick on their behalf? And how annoyed is OL going to be, whatever happens? Bring on the fight scene!

 

He didn't seem all that shocked.

There are probably many planets with multiple sapient species, Earth just has a large number of them.

 

So there is a chance the Reach were observing and decided to attack, but the oddly formulated request reeks of trap.

Also, re Maltusians not wanting to rule. They are old. Literally ancient.

They are the grouchy old people, sitting on their galaxy sized lawn, yelling at the dumb kids to get it together.

They don't want to have to be responsible.

They just want todays whippersnappers to shut the fuck up and play peacefully.

 

I presume 'the' is the word you're looking for.

 

You literally threatened them with what boils down to “Fight for us, or I will drive your species to extinction.” If the Reach could have gotten away with something so bold they would have done the same.

While not explicitly a threat of extinction...It's close enough that many others would see that way.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Humans, demons, elementals. The rest are too rare to be considered major.

The SI.

Not necessarily. One advantage of killing everyone you owe money is that there's no one left to ask for repayment.

It isn't really passing the buck if it genuinely isn't your job.

No, he just assumes that Earth was colonised by different places and the new citizens integrated after a long period of time. If he learned how Earth actually worked then he'd have been astonished.

Now now, sitting it out was an option.

 

Well, yes, there is a taboo involved. Just not a cultural one.

 

Demons arn't native to Earth, they are native to hell. A Demon is no more human than the worms that feast off human corpses.

 

In today's episode... Paragon learns that pressganging a group to fight a war can't really be cleaned up enough that a small child can't recognise your evil plan.

 

When 'Negotiations' 'Start' by threatening to send them back to the stone age... I don't think anyone really believes that just sitting it out is a option.

 

The section of Hell with which the SI has contact is part of Earth's thaumosphere. It's effectively part of Earth.

Technically, if they sat it out they'd merely be sent back to the Industrial Age.

 

I fail to see how the poor trigger discipline of redcoats makes pedantry a matter of moral principle.

 

Counterpoint: "Because it makes me feel good" is selfish. "Because not doing it fills me with loathing" is selfish. And these are the core of the SI's motivation, are they not?

 

The weird thing to me about treating humans, elementals, and demons as major races of Earth is that means pretty much nothing in DC.

Oa has elementals for crying out loud.

Oa, the planet with no indigenous sapient life, and the closest it comes is the Guardians who literally went to war with magic.

Swamp Thing showed that Oa had a planet elemental, and Swampy became a planet elemental by becoming a plant/earth/water/air/fire elemental.

So while there might be other methods to becoming a planet elemental, planet elementals suggest the other elemental wandering around.

So treating that as something special just shows how different Zoat's cosmology is from DC's.

While Zoat was never likely to use it because it's post flashpoint, you folks remember that plant queen who conquered Thanagar, Hyathis?

DC made her entire people elementals. Fortunately for the universe, they aren't elemental champions like Swamp Thing, because an entire planet of swamp things would be a bring your brown pants type situation.

 

Yeah. This seems central to the criticism to me. Greed seems to be interpreted here as something that makes SI feel better.

It made some sense with the team where he regarded them as "his" despite how creepy that was. But now it is being extended to larger causes that he cant possibly actually posess. Instead he imposes his desired order and that somehow counts when that feels more like Will.

The weaknesses of the orange light are completely purged. There is little to no downside to it.

 

Situations like this suck, because as a member of the orange lantern league... You can only respond with 'Yes sir!' or 'I don't want it enough.'

 

Welcome to one of the major narrative problems with this story.

 

Unless Zoat added the comic elemental thing in his story, but the SI just doesn't know about it.

Yeah, thats why I hope that Jevek guy is making more Effigy's.

They basically have the destructive powers of Lanterns, but aren't restricted due to their moods.