With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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I think those are fine.

Thank you, corrected.

*Pats American on the head in British.*

 

My understanding of it was that working magic in deep space required either the patience to soak up the low level background energy until it is at a usable level. Or bring your own power source with you. OL has brought a ship with mages onboard, who likely have their own power.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

In Episode 99: Plutonian, Paul noted that the Star Conquerors were already close to finding a way to crack the problem that is using magic in deep space. I wouldn't be surprised if Paul gave that data to Dox to have their magicians working on how to do it reliably.

 

Also, the Martians know Dream as Lord L’zoril.

 

Still waiting for infinite enlightened hondenporting orange spider babies to assimilate the universe.

 

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Okay.

 

"Among people in my line of work two deaths is basically what you need to be considered to have finished your internship."

 

Um... no, Zoat's rules say that magic works less effectively as you're farther away from a source of arcane power, and that stuff with enough innate/imbued magical power will still function in space, though possibly diminished.

The idea that a group of researchers can go out to look for signs of magic seems entirely in line with established precedent. It might even be easier with less background noise.

 

Sorry, how did Gozzi make an exact duplicate of OL's body despite his tattoos? I'm aware that there are ways to bypass his tattoos for tactical purposes, he can be located by various passive scanners and he's obviously not innately invisible, but for the type of scans that would be sufficient to make a body duplicate, he should be immune to those.

 

Easiest answer? Paul uploaded his own scans to Hinon's ring at some point as a precaution. Gozzi got the scans from her.

 

Also, while I'm here, was there ever any answer as to why OL couldn't recruit a human for the OLC, then dose them with the Garrick formula in order to make an Uber Lantern? For the main character, sure, he has weird soul shenanigans that prevent him from stomping every combat encounter, it's hard enough as it is to have meaningful challenges. But it's apparently extremely easy to make Flashes, and there's little existing reason why that person couldn't also have a ring.

Although it's already pretty hard to not have every fleet encounter go: OL teleports into Reach ship, dumps huge bomb out of subspace with a half second fuse, teleport out, repeat.

 

Firstly, there's a hard cap on how fast a construct can appear. A Lantern going at Flash speed is going to have the same problem as the SI sometimes does when he accelerates his thoughts; it's too slow. Then you've got the known risk of teh Flash-Lantern going orange-light-crazy and no one being able to stop them.

 

Also: a lot of idle souls nearby that could possibly be a decent anchor to the dreaming

 

Souls fanonically continue existing in space, and the magic in this episode has all been soul magic facilitated by Paul's soul being made of orange light.

 

Small niggle.

Isn't Para-Paul's soul like...literally the Ophidian's heart?

Or did that change?

 

India is the 4th strongest military by the most recent estimate as well as the 2nd largest military by manpower. Its also 6th largest economy (5th before the pandemic). So India is disintegrating, but smaller countries like UK, France or Germany are ok?

 

If I understand correctly Pre-Merging, Pauls soul did exist as a crazy patchwork of energies being collected by his tattoos. Not organized into something that properly resembles a DC WTR soul structure, but was heading in that direction.

Post-Merging he had a full on soul made with the above, plus a LOT of orange light, that was Functional as far as souls went, but still rather warped by it's formation. This injection of orange light could be termed the 'Heart of the Ophidian' since after this point, when he felt very strong desires he would 'hear' a beating sound. How much of the Ophidian was left behind, and what the 'heart' of an embodiment of avarice really means, is currently not well understood. It's obviously not a literal heart, and it's clearly not her mind or any significant amount of her power, but it's enough of a tether to keep her connection to him solid, and allow him to speak with her and merge remotely.

My best Guess is that it could be a fragment of her soul, much like how Renegade Grayven gave a part of his own metaphysic to Lynn.

This 'heart' may, or may not, be directly connected with the OTHER side effects of the merging, his Enlightenment, which (aside from the coloured speech) deals with his knowledge and control of his personal desires. That appears to be a mental and spiritual alteration, which it appears that post Qward-matter bomb he's lost due to damage to his soul structure. The Last ability that came from the Merger is his ability to see emotions in others as coloured light. Pre Merger he could, with his ring, view some level of Desires in others. Post Merger, he was able to see with much more detail, and also see the other colours of the emotional spectrum.

Now....that Last bit....stands out. Post Merger Paul refereed to himself as a 'Metahuman' during talks with Harleen. Not Post Ring, or Post Tattoo. He has that ability independent of his rings. During that same talk he directly output information from his Optic Nerves to Harleen, so she could See her the way He Saw her.

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Paul being from Earth Prime, as far as we know, doesn't have any native 'metagene' genetic abnormalities (nor an x-gene for the marvel pauls).
But he describes himself as a Metahuman, and if he was able to show information from his eyes rather from his soul with Harleen back then, it makes me think that there WAS a physical alteration to some degree that came with the merger.

Since having his body reformed, we don't know the status of his tattoo's (he had repaired damaged tattoo's from attacks that have removed physical and spiritual parts of him before, and seemed to keep them active after robotizing himself during the war with heaven.) And we haven't seen him 'Look' at anyone since the boom, so we can't confirm he can still see the rest of the spectrum.

We don't actually know how much his Enlightenment and other Post Merger Abilities are linked into each other.

 

Maybe she can do something similar with the Psion world and the place where Paul killed the Citadelians.

'you to'

'that is part of me'

Probably because they have no idea that if they die in space their souls are stuck there.

You have Kalmin for a red ring.

You know what, after the return to Qward episode he may have enough hope to make a ring for Kori.

Did Jordan fight Nekron in this universe?

In the previous chapters you wrote this 'qwa matter'.

War does change people, and the added stability may do you some good.

'It would'

Sorry for posting it before you put the chapter here, but I'm having internet problems so wanted to do this in case I lost the connection.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

does

I feel like this is going to take three episodes.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I'm not planning on having it last that long.

 

Functionally Infinite Charge, the ability to bring the Dead back to life, no mind fuck, no elemental rock paper scissors weakness.

 

Not really surprising if you consider evolution.

Bascially every part of us humans is a good-enough compromise trade-off between time and energy constraints vs lack of information.

Or, simplified: we "buest guess" while trying to minimise effort. All the time.

Re White Ring: I find it odd he dismisses it so quickly based on power alone when his previous MO was "get everything, figure out uses later"

Dealing with the orange light already offered some surprises. The White Light might offer opportunities he simply can't see now.

 

Like trying to force the output of a fire engine's pumps through a garden hose, for example. Sure, it's designed to funnel water, but not in so large an amount or at so high a pressure... I rather get the feeling that if the same logic applies to OL's tattoo's, the results of rushing could be explosive...

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Admittedly, such souls would be thin, reedy things, given the Leentniar's lack of planetary residence to boost their spiritual density. And the Reach? While I doubt any of the crews were outright capital-E evil, they were still the baddies, so to speak...

I can see that being a big old nope for the Atlaneans. But doing so would end up integrating bits of them into OL's soul, and I doubt he's got any desire to lessen himself like that.

For anyone wondering, that's referring to a quote from Buckaroo Banzai: The bad guy's leader is giving a speech to his followers which includes the line "Character is what you are in the dark!" Not sure if it's quoting something older, but the more people who see Buckaroo Banzai, the better! "Where are we going?" "Planet Ten!" "When are we getting there?" "Real Soon!"

I see they've already worked out procedures for this part of things. Or they're just making it up as they go and setting some nice precedents.

I doubt the Leentniar have their own afterlife, at least relating to their fleets... While the Reach? They seem too materialistic to care much for what happens after they die (and presumably their bodies get repurposed, exactly how you'd expect...)

Care to explain that, then? For the peanut gallery, and the research thaumaturgists?

But would Best Snek still like the taste of your soul with all those nasty colours? You'd also be weakening a major war asset in the early days of the conflict, and possibly breaking multiple strategies Dox has worked out if you lose certain abilities.

Even if you made a White Ring and had the ability to channel the Light, I doubt it would work at all... White rings will only exist if the White Light Entity allows them to. And it acts only when there's an extant threat to itself, like Nekron trying to rip open its' nest inside Earth.

He's got a point. What if he had a white Ring then. Would the Qwa-matter rip along through the ring's connection to the Entity, and strike it directly? Goodbye all life in the universe!

Good to see he can recognise that his Enlightened behaviour was atypical for a normal human being. The hard part is knowing whether he really wants that clarity again. Sure, it comes with things like Greedporting and massive Ring focus buffs, but the mental effects, man...

I guess he does want Enlightenment back...Just a matter of the process involved in getting there. Will we see him create a ritual akin to the Green Lanterns' own, that forces the aspirant to confront all their desires, as he did so long ago, and accept them? Will any Orange Lantern have the courage to face themselves that way?

Typical, not even warning the mage he's doing something so they can watch and scan...

Not that you'd have seen it so clearly in the moment, I bet. Pain does wonders for messing with recall.

Ah, she wasn't completely caught off-guard. Wonder how many useful readings she'll got from it.

Wonder if that fixed the Honden up, or if bits of him are still mixed into the Leentniar's 'area'... It'd be interesting to see what effect that's having on them, I'll note.

Honey, does that look like a White Ring? One colour, not seven.

Surely you're used to the impulsiveness of the Orange Lanterns? Or do you simply not have much contact with them?

Wanting to stay in one piece, for example. I doubt a battlefield is conducive to careful, rational experimentation...

And that's entirely sensible. Things like this are not simple matters to unravel.

Ah. I can see that. Refusing a command like that might be bad for the career. Why, you might even miss out on Tenure!

But I'm sure she'll still prefer to continue her work on this subject. Just not in the middle of a battle...

I don't think they're going to need to rush. If they end up needing closer access to the site, they'll have to wait anyway...

Well, there's some surprising self-reflection on OL's part. Not that it'll stop him from doing what he wants to. And I've only just realised, the episode title: 'Anti-Thesis'... Is he going to end up turning someone's logical understanding on how things should work upside down, I wonder?

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Impossible to say with any certainty.

 

Necron >Nekron, think>thing

 

He managed to charm one entity, maybe he can do it again.

I can see it.

 

What comic and issue is that? It looks like it could be anywhere from the 1960s through the 1980s.

 

With the singular exception of the sod that got the slave ring, all iterations of Paul that were seeded across the multiverse are likely happy being themselves. Including the poor fool who overwrote his soul with Conquest and the moron who injected himself with evil.

 

Now now. Just because people have adapted to Paul's odd behavior post-enlightenment doesn't mean they'd turn their noses if he acted like a more mentally stable person.