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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. rkyeun

    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    The antimatter variant that annihilates with charmed matter is charmed antimatter: made of anti-charm, anti-strange, and anti-muons.
     
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  2. cereal_lurker

    cereal_lurker Getting sticky.

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    Is this function of this ring different from how Anti-Green rings work? Aside from the charging source, Anti-Green rings in this story 'compel' the bearer to experience sufficient Will to form constructs.
     
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  3. BartlettMagic

    BartlettMagic peekaboo, you fucks you!

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    oh dammit OL... just step out/step in teleport your ass back to Maltus and hand-deliver the ring back to Hinon or Kalmin before teleporting back.

    don't become what you've decried.
     
  4. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Oddities with green rings healing are nothing new.

    The guy who made Amazo also made an immortality procedure because he was afraid of death.

    It disfigured him, and it was making him worse- It was a case of gone horribly right, the immortality was going to be as a sessile lump of immortal flesh.

    And that was a horror that frightened him more than dying, but he couldn't fix it.

    Ice, wearing Guy's ring, fixed him.

    Guy's attitude was "What? No way, I couldn't even fix my hemorrhoids."

    My conclusion would be that it seems willing boxing gloves to hit people in the face or flying around isn't the same as willing someone to be healthy, they aren't actually the same skill in the comics.

    So I suppose in some universe in which it's the Green Lantern Medical Corps, the Guardians would recruit for being able to heal and not for righteous facepunching.
     
  5. Zig

    Zig Not too sore, are you?

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    A ring like this might not survive the journey.
     
  6. Rafin

    Rafin Not too sore, are you?

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    I'd need citation that Emotional Spectrum Technology is further away from what is physically possible and scientifically sensible than all the bullshit that the Entities pull.

    Remember that the Entities initially evolved in order to combat each other and they definitely deal in weird emotional manipulation that affects power expression. Individual Shards also have no problem with interfering with each other and ruining each other's pet plans during the life cycle and so the Thinker-specialized Shards need to model powers they themselves don't know or personally have access to.
     
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  7. Metabolicjosh

    Metabolicjosh Experienced.

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    This is a little absurd, requiring the equivalent of a statement from God about how Entities would interact with something from outside of their own fictional universe. We can use our own brains to figure things out if the author hasn't made a statement about cross-fictional interactions.

    No. The Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum (Rainbow of Emotions is what I like to call it hahaha) is not just what an emotion is and how much it is present. The Entities think about emotions in the form of chemical reactions that cause certain behaviors. The metaphysical aspect associated with the Rainbow of Emotions, which is the very thing that I am saying will give them trouble with modeling Lanterns, is not even closely related to what the Entities do with emotions at all.

    If you are referring to combat between an Entity and a Lantern, then the Metaphysical aspect of the Rainbow of Emotions will unreliably and passively protect them from having their emotions interrupted by the type of emotional manipulation that Entities use, but a Ring can actively protect them if they know about the threat.

    I don't think you understand my point. This is effectively the same as how Magic is an out-of-context problem for Orange Lantern at the beginning of this story. It took creativity to overcome that problem (something the entities are really bad at according to the author of worm), and it was still an ineffective solution.

    Also, we must also (if we are talking generalities) ask how the emotional spectrum is being used in Worm. If it is an energy source that is naturally present in the setting, well they probably would already know about it and use it, but if it is an energy source from a foreign universe then it is effectively magic because it uses a different set of physics and the author of Worm said that magic is an instant win against Entities.

    Metaphysics isn't really a thing in Worm, so an energy source that has different physical laws and metaphysical laws too is the closest thing to magic in Worm without actually being magic. I am only saying that it would be really hard to model Lanterns, and it would take a lot of research. Dont forget that they had to steal gravity manipulation tech from a society that used it, and they couldn't just look at what was being done to figure it out, they needed to steal the actual tech.
     
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  8. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    shears

    built-up
     
  9. Zig

    Zig Not too sore, are you?

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    You're underestimating the calculation power of the entities. Canonically Earth was the first time they encountered music, and not only did it not cause any issues for them to model but there is a character whose power requires singing. Precog shards have multiple avenues available to them to model something they've never seen before.
    Oh, and Pact canonically takes place on an alternate Earth in the greater Parahumans multiverse, and since the entities are multiversal beings, magic is not an out of context problem.
     
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  10. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    There are reasons for that (not necessarily good ones), some of which significantly pre-date the Rule 8 cut-off ('twenty years ago'), but I'm not sure if you particularly want to discuss them (and probably not in this thread).
     
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  11. Threadmarks: Negetiations (part 22)
    Mr Zoat

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    12th August 2012
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    "…that the Reach has disavowed any-."

    "Good." I fly in through the hole shot in the office building where our peace talks have been taking place. "Because you weren't getting your money's worth."

    The Negotiator appears to take my reappearance in his stride, though whether that's because he was confident I would win anyway or because he would have been in more political difficulty if the people he disavowed had I'm not sure. Miss Arfat on the other hand flutters her eyelids in what for the gyuanite is an expression of profound relief.

    "They are dead?"

    "The ships we detected and the scarab warrior accompanying them are all destroyed. I took some of the crew as constructs but there's little going on in their minds. There'll be no point in interrogating them."

    She nods. "Salvage rights are of course awarded to your people, and a monetary sum will be deposited in your account to reflect the harm you have avenged."

    "Thank you, but-" I give the Negotiator a hard look. "-until I know who actually ordered this, I can hardly count the job as completed."

    "Rest assured that the Reach will deal with this off-mode element internally. Compensation will be paid to the families of the victims of this counter-canon mission." His eyes move to my right hand. "I see that you recovered the ring."

    "No. I salvaged it. You're certainly not getting it."

    "We never 'had' it. As I stated, the individuals behind the operation were doing so contrary to standing rules of process. Do you wish to continue these negotiations, or do you consider your mission here to be complete?"

    It.. sort of is. I mean, I imagine that between my reassurances, my actions just now and their own anti-interventionist tendencies that the locals will be grateful enough to maintain our current relationship. And having a Reach ship kill a large number of non-combatants isn't going to endear the Reach to the people of Yuna. I only started talking as a distraction, so…

    I shrug nonchalantly.

    "Since we're both here. You know the Reach. Your culture already changed massively when you negotiated your treaty with the Green Lantern Corps, and I imagine that there were a lot of Reach military officers who didn't like that. Is that something your people would do again? Could they do it again? Is there… Any chance that N.E.M.O. could get anything like an acceptable deal in our current situation?"

    "At this time I think it unlikely that the Hivemasters will be willing to accept the terms you proposed."

    "Thank you! A straight answer!" I shrug. "But then there probably isn't any point." I nod to Miss Arfat. "Thank you for trying. In the unlikely event that we attempt a negotiated solution again, I'll be sure to come back here. I'll be available to your government for the next seven days in order for us to formalise our ongoing trading relationship, but under the circumstances… I think that a.. recess is in order."

    She nods.

    "I will make the necessary arrangements."

    I nod, raise my index and middle fingers to my forehead and then do a regular transition to the spaceport landing platform which the Free Lancers are using.

    The place is somewhat shot up, indentations and scorch marks in the super hard surface marking where the Scarab Warrior unleashed her arsenal. Or… I suppose it could have been Lantern K'ryssma; I don't have any information on what sort of constructs she prefers.

    "Blimey."

    Harrow purses his lips as he strolls out of his ship's force field envelope and takes a look around.

    "Glad I kept my nose out of that one." He looks at me. "Is she still alive, by any chance?"

    "Yes."

    "Oh, good show! Since you've clearly gotten the ring I'm not too worried about you, but the Green Lantern Corps get a bit narked when one of them dies."

    "This…" I raise my right hand. "Was what the Reach wanted?"

    "The local Negotiator is my usual contact. They've been on the lookout for things that can fight Lanterns for a while now." He wrinkles his nose. "They don't usually use a Scarab to handle things."

    "So you didn't get paid?"

    "What?" He looks bemused. "Of course I didn't get paid. The Reach are usually really good about paying independent contractors, but when someone goes rogue it's tough luck. Not like I expect you to give it to me."

    "Good, because I'm not going to."

    "No. Interesting you didn't give it to that Green Lantern, though."

    "There are some issues to work out on inter-Corps cooperation. And on that subject, if you should come across anything the Reach would be interested in, we're happy to counter-bid."

    "I will certainly bear that in mind, Illustres. I thank you in advance for your future custom."

    I nod. "I'd say that I'm sympathetic for your loss…"

    "But that would be a lie." He shrugs. "The price of doing business. We price it in."

    "I'm sure that attitude has helped you immensely in your chosen career. Farewell."

    I raise my fingers to my forehead once more and transition again, this time reappearing next to Lantern Drusa inside our trade mission building.

    "Illustres."

    "Everything packed up?"

    "Yes." She nods. "And they had offloaded enough cargo that we didn't need to dump anything." Her eyes alight on the ring. "Is that it?"

    I hold it up. "Yes. Though I wouldn't recommend trying to use it. It does something to boost the strength of constructs. It wasn't a problem for me, but I doubt that would be the case for most people."

    "What do you intend to do with it? Keep it?"

    "No. Ring, contact Controller Hinon."

    "Compliance."

    Her face appears almost immediately.

    "Yes?"

    "I've got the ring. I assume that you want to take a look at it?"

    "That would be pleasant. Meadlux wasn't involved in early power ring adaptation efforts. It could be instructive to see what he considered to be an 'improvement'." She regards me for a moment. "I hope you didn't have to tread on too many toes to get hold of it?"

    "Not too many. See you in a week."
     
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  12. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    'Thank you'

    I don't think your going to get what you're hoping for, Hinon.
     
  13. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  14. Metabolicjosh

    Metabolicjosh Experienced.

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    Not an out of context problem? The author said that magic is beyond the entities in an interview on Reddit, that magic is effectively an instant win against them, and that they will never be able to use it if it existed because they lack creativity. Yeah, when someone asked him if Worm and Pact were in the same multiverse, if Taylor existed on a Pact Earth, he said “Sure, why not? But they won’t show up.” (I went and checked his comment from 2014 to be sure) and he has consistently said that there will be no crossovers.

    Honestly, the only way to reconcile the statements is to basically say that Magic doesn’t exist in Worm, but that magic allows someone to hypothetically jump from Pact to Worm. The point is that magic is beyond them though, and we can assume somewhat reasonably that Emotional Rainbow shit is beyond them too.
     
  15. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    I'm going to need a citation for that "Wildbow said that magic is an instant win against the Entities."
     
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  16. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Why, OL... Not fixing it behind you? You are feeling lazy today, aren't you? Then again, given the heavily bureaucratic nature of the gyuanites, he'd probably get fined for 'performing construction without the necessary permits'...

    Comprehensively so. And there's even a few pieces left, here and there.

    So no problems with him confiscating the Reach ship wreckage. And even got some local currency for souvenirs! But what about The Ring?

    Definitely feeling the hit to his career, I bet. Though I'm surprised OL is still taking the risk of wearing the ring personally. Presumably having his own ring block any other attempts to interface with him.

    I don't know... Which would inconvenience the Reach more? :p

    No skin off his nose, and no great impact on his free time.

    Well, that lays it out nice and clear. Hopefully they'll end up changing their minds later, as things turn against them...

    Oh, good, more sitting around in dull conference rooms. Perhaps this is something he can fob off on Drusa, then. Or, you know, any N.E.M.O. staff who actually came with them for that purpose.

    Huh. Okay, so greedyporting with The Ring is no problem? That's one question settled. He hasn't jaunted back to Hinon and handed it over because... o_O He wants to make sure K'Ryssma isn't going to complain?
    Scratch that, he used a normal FTL transition (I missed that, got fooled by the greediport gesture...) Still, plenty of time for K'Ryssma to call in to the Guardians, maybe get some backup... I get the feeling this isn't over.

    I see they came out of it without a scratch. Lucky them.

    Wonder why she isn't here yet. Still patching herself up?

    And another question confirmed. Evidently the Reach aren't as confident with anti-Spectrum options as some thought.

    Oh well. I'm sure a clever fellow like you can find another payday... On a planet known for interstellar trade...

    She didn't ask nicely enough. Now the matter gets passed up to their respective bosses.

    Though I suspect he'll ask for hard currency up front as a deposit, from now on...

    ...A very large deposit.

    Well, back to the boring side of the job...

    No going and getting any ideas, Junior.

    Why keep it when you can have R&D learn everything about it and make a better one?

    :rolleyes: You'd think she was waiting by the phone ring for his callback, with how quick she picked up.

    In the same way you can assume water is wet, Earth grass is green and most Guardians are jerks, yes.

    "Illustres, I know you can be here in a moment's thought. I want that ring somewhere safe now, if you please." Considering his evident reluctance to greediport with it, maybe not...

    I really hope he doesn't plan to wear that thing all week. Sure, he might be blocking it now, but who knows how aggressive that mental effect is? I mean, it's not like the gyuanites will be able to notice his transit... Or is it more that he doesn't want to risk such a long hop through the Honden with it? o_O


    There'll be no point in interrogating them.
     
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  17. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  18. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    He said "regular transition" so I don't think he's greedporting.
     
  19. Darko

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    "But Hinon, at this point I think I'm contractually obligated to annoy you"
     
  20. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    He is carrying around a living brain. And half-trying to pretend that he's an Illustres impersonator.
     
  21. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    More that she has enough multitasking ability that it doesn't really matter how busy she is when Paul calls.
     
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  22. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Sighs... When will I learn to stop expecting more then a completely anti-climactic end to an arc...
     
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  23. Metabolicjosh

    Metabolicjosh Experienced.

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    I’ll need to go through the forum on quotes tomorrow to find it. On my phone currently and using the find function is a pain in the butt
     
  24. inglorius

    inglorius Getting sticky.

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    Worse than what?
    Also I got an amusing image of host brain being spit-roasted by scarab and "improved" ring both.
     
  25. egooo

    egooo Getting sticky.

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    When will you stop bitching about every single 'issue' you think up in bouts of excessive nitpicking?
     
  26. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    What happens in NSFW and in your own home stays there.
     
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    Found an error. It should be 'Tamaranean'.
     
  28. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  29. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    I'm not sure what that's a reference of, but the video doesn't work anymore.
     
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  30. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    well he’s done it since the story has started 6 years or so ago, so presumably he’ll stop shortly after the story ends (he’ll probably need a few days to write some really huge nitpicks for the story as a whole)
     
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