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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Assblaster5000

    Assblaster5000 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Ahem.

    WANT.
     
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  2. Rafin

    Rafin Not too sore, are you?

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    Do what? Enhance his vision?
     
  3. jaelin910

    jaelin910 habitual lurker

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    You realise you're saying that rings are incapable of it by default, right? Because that's what what you just said means. So since you're asking about it in this case rather than asking how the SI is capable of it in general, how exactly do you think the paragon added that capability to his ring?
     
  4. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    Mr Zoat, I was wondering, I believe you once said that John Constantine thinks Paul is a fictional character who was pulled into reality due to misunderstanding Paul's explanation on how he knows so much about John's adventures. Is there a way to find that quote? I just want to add it to the TV Tropes page.

    Edit: If that isn't possible (I tried to but couldn't), could we get an official Word of Zoat explaining what exactly John thinks Paul meant?
     
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  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Here.

    John believed at the time that the SI was a fictional charaacter brought to life.
     
  6. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    Thanks. That was bothering me.
     
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  7. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

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    I would hope so, Paul went to a meaningful amount of effort to install that loyalty in her brain. Mind-raping a replacement Druchii Sorceress would require not-entirely-trivial effort on his part.

    o_O you act as if anyone else on the planet is better. Most nations won’t try to help anyone at all. The Karaz Ankor only helps to pay their debt. Bretonnia will help because that is their idea of fun and Ulthuan will help because they think you are a child incapable of helping yourself.

    WFB isn’t as aggressively GrimDerp as 40K, but it is still very grimdark.
     
  8. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    This kinda makes me wish a bunch of Pauls would show up there for a short while, demonstrate how powerful they are, and try to get people to realize that there are stronger forces out there that aren't demons and gods and that maybe they should listen to Paol a little more if he could become that strong.
     
  9. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    Well, those other nations didn't have my cheating older brother playing their army list, and dwarves don't have the monopoly on grudges.

    Also? Ulthuan doesn't really help. They show up. They participate. Then they convince everyone that their presence was essential. In Storm of Chaos, their contribution was a fucking horse.
     
  10. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    If you're relying on ultruism, you're not orange lanterning very well.
     
  11. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    I'm not, I'm shitting on the faction that passes for good guys by being just self-aware enough to understand that the world ending kills them, too, but otherwise being villains that disguise their nature by decorating with pastels and Lucky Charms cereal.
     
  12. Citizen

    Citizen Well worn.

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    First I heard about the horse. Could you tell me where I could confirm that for myself?
     
  13. Hotcoco

    Hotcoco Making the rounds.

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    Ok... whose idea was to give the elves the popes hat...
     
  14. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden Versed in the lewd.

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    Ah, but where does Age of Sigmar fall on that spectrum?

    I figure, from what I’ve dived into about Soulbound and faction histories, they are less grim dark than classic WH Fantasy.
     
  15. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    On Valten's wiki page, under war gear and abilities. Apparently, it was sired by the horse favored by Teclis's brother, Tyrion. Giving that horse to a guy who was presumed to be the Second Coming of Sigmar was how Ulthuan decided to help against the Everchosen. Apparently, sending three elves to help against the last one had been too much.
     
  16. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Nope, just Paul's ring, because it had no database.

    Paragon added that ability, by downloading every bit of data he could get his ring on. Up to and including making copies of the general GLC database.
     
  17. Nervaqus987

    Nervaqus987 Well worn.

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    First mention of transitioning here during the fight with Klarion at the Tower of Fate.

    Paragon didn't get a GLC database until he stole John Stewart's ring during the Starrotech mind control incident.
     
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  18. transhumansage

    transhumansage Versed in the lewd.

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    Mr Zoat
    Do you think you would be able to recreate the starwood trees from the genetic sample in the hull of the dragon ship, using the ring? would be a powerful tool against chaos.
     
  19. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I suspect that it wouldn't occur to him that a tree could be so important.

    I don't know how well DNA survives in wood. Maybe? Though if there was a magic component that might not work.
     
  20. transhumansage

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    a shame. after i read about it in the wiki, it seemed practically miraculous to me. there are very few things that can truly fight chaos corruption in the Warhammer world. i wonder if they could be modified to even reverse it. that would be a game changer.

    as for the the magical component, since Ulthuan contains the great vortex all the winds converge there, so it would simply be logical to assume that the Starwood trees need a magic rich environment, which should be producible with the help of the high mages.
     
  21. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    I think you have been doing too much Farscape research... That link just leads to Rigel...
     
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  22. Nervaqus987

    Nervaqus987 Well worn.

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    Oops.

    Fixed.
     
  23. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Teclis is the (roughly) WHFB equivalent to Eldrad 'That Dick' Ulthran, when it comes GW's parity between Fantasy and 40k.

    Now Eldrad is a very high bar to be placed against, but if you're operating anywhere near that level, 'seems cool' is a dangerous assumption.

    The End Times and Teclis is a merry old time, and his tag team with his brother come Age of Sigmar ...well.. that's just the icing on the cake.

    (when the 'heros' have Slannesh the goddess of excess calling for an adult, you know things are well off the rails)
     
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  24. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Also, as far back as Renegade's first meeting with the Team, he pulled off short range FTL to mess with Kid Flash, Long before he'd had a chance to so much as observe another lantern, let alone get database information.

    The ring might not have a technical database about other things, nor a complete owners manual, but it can be asked questions on it's own abilities as well as experiment using it's sensors and the laws of physics around.

    Honestly for the WHFB and even the Wasteland Paul's (while he had charge), taking an afternoon with the ring to re-derive formula's for physics/chemistry/etc from first fundamentals and ring gathered data, then making a few books would not be a waste for later on.

    Just having one of these in his pocket when he arrived could very well uplift a primitive civilization or two.
     
  25. crazygrox

    crazygrox Versed in the lewd.

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    Though... 40k Paul was able to warp. Does that mean that 40k had a database?

    I don't think it's necessary in Zoat's fics. Also for some reason 40k Paul can't make new rings out of assimilated people
     
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  26. Darko

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    Read the posts above yours.

    Several people have given examples of him using FTL and transitioning.

    He may not even know it's possible.
     
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    Mr Zoat

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    The elf I strongly suspect to be Loremaster Teclis looks directly at me, and I awkwardly wave my right hand. I haven't tested myself against High Magic users, but based on the records of the Dwarfs I think I'm out of Deadlock range up here. So even if the ring counts as a magic artefact they can't easily drop me in the ocean.

    The Tempest would still be unpleasant, but I could probably hide under water.

    The other two… Uh, would they be Archmages or Loremasters? Not all high end High Elf wizards work for the White Tower of Hoeth, and I neither know how to tell them apart or whether they'd be offended by me getting it wrong-.

    They're High Elves. Of course they'll be offended if I get it wrong. It's a coin toss as to whether they'll be offended by me getting it right.

    I fly closer as probably-Teclis's companions notice where he's looking. There's a.. certain amount of arcane glowing happening as a result, and a group of nearby archers put arrow to string. Their bodyguards -who bear the muscular builds and huge swords of the Swordmasters of Hoeth- also stand at alert, though without a specific order from their masters they don't ready their weapons.

    I could create a filament to a telephone construct on the ship, but I don't imagine that would go better than flying closer. If they don't want me to, I'm pretty sure they can just loose an arrow or a fireball at me. Though…

    "Ahoy there!"

    A construct megaphone shouldn't be too alarming. I'm sure that there's a better design for a sound projector, but I haven't experimented with that sort of thing. There isn't.. much point, usually.

    A gesture from Teclis and arrows are returned to quivers, then the wizards walk away from the skiffs and over to an open area of the decks around the starboard bolt thrower battery. That… Seems like an invitation. Alright then. I transition to the deck just ahead of them and nod politely.

    "Lady and gentlemen. What brings you to my home?"

    "Strange tales of a human sorcerer who glowed with orange light and planned to take control of all magic in the world."

    I make my face completely deadpan.

    "Never heard of him."

    Teclis smiles very slightly, and I-. It's not just that he's short. He's gaunt, stick thin. I thought that his staff made him healthy but from the look of it that's not the case. I guess it just deals with the symptoms rather than the root cause.

    "Several months ago my spies in Altdorf brought word of a man seeking to build a waystone network which would channel the winds of magic on a global scale, such as the waystones on Ulthuan have since the Great War Against Chaos."

    "Several mon-?" I close my eyes, sighing. "Are you telling me that your spies reported that to you faster than the courier I paid to directly inform you?"

    "I have received no word by courier, so it would appear so. Did you ask for a receipt?"

    "That's it. I'm not bothering with couriers any more. I'm just going to have a locked box in my room with 'highly secret do not steal' written on it. Everyone will know in an afternoon."

    He smiles politely, while his colleagues remain stoney-faced.

    "It's true, then? A global network?"

    "It should be possible, shouldn't it? I wrote to you because after the slann you are the person I thought would be best placed to actually plan the thing out. And when I visited, they… Weren't helpful."

    "They usually don't appreciate surprise visitors."

    "I just stood there for half an hour. The Mage-Priest didn't even react. Still, the skinks were able to help me get a few bags of potatoes so it wasn't a complete waste of time."

    I think he's frowning, but the hat covers a lot of his forehead. "What are 'potatoes'?"

    "A plant related to Deadly Nightshade which produces edible tubers. They're extremely nutritious, as long as you don't eat the green parts. I want to help my people become healthier than they are, and improving their diet is part of that."

    He appears to decide to ignore my digression.

    "And the Nehekharans were your third choice, as their tombs are aligned to points of geomantic significance, their deathless state makes them resistant to corruption and since their lands are dead the effects of any harm would be moderated. Where would you have gone if they were unwilling to aid you?"

    "Albion. It turns out that their Ogham Stones are a waystone network, but they… Don't have a feature like Ulthuan's inland sea to focus the overflow, so the island is just a mess. Between the druids and the Light College we might be able to work something out, but you're a far better choice."

    "Where does your scheme place the overflow for a network covering the entire world?"

    "Since… There's a portal over each pole, I was hoping that they could each be each other's overflow."

    "That..?" He shakes his head. "No." Behind him, the male archmage shudders slightly while the female rolls her eyes. "You would essentially be blowing more wind into a hurricane. Such a thing might be bearable in the south, but in the north it would spread the Realm of Chaos even further."

    "Okay, so that-. Not a good idea. But in the generality, is it..? Would it be useful?"

    "Yes, certainly, if it could be made to work. Though given the locations that would have to serve as nodes in the network… How good at killing orcs are you?"

    I shrug. "Remember how the Dwarfs used to have problems with orcs and goblins?"

    Ah, Skarsnik. My first special character kill.

    "Used-?"

    "Yes. I got a lot of grudges settled doing that. Oh, which… Reminds me. Do you still want the original Phoenix Crown back? Because I'm going to settle the grudges concerning the attacks by Malekith's followers that were the original casus belli, so all that's left will be Caledor the Second's insults and the Shaving, and… Those could probably be settled in a few hours, if your king were willing."

    "May we return for a moment to your claim that there are now no orcs in the World's Edge Mountains?"

    "I doubt that I got all of them, but it turns out that there's a chemical formula which is highly injurious to orcoid algae. Plus, they're physically distinct, so it's easy enough for me to locate them." I shrug. "I know that the waystones will need to be defended, so I've been working at clearing certain areas where I'd like to start."

    "Yes, that is true. I am glad that you have some concept of the scale of the undertaking."

    "But… Are you onboard? Does this plan sound plausible?"

    "It may prove possible for me to turn your outline into a workable scheme, yes."

    "Great! Let me know what areas you need cleared first, and I'll get right on that. I can't personally garrison every area, but I can build fortifications like you wouldn't believe."

    "It will be some time before we can mark sites. We would need to survey… The entire world before we can do that."

    I nod. "Right, but you've got a general idea of the places likely to be important, right? For the main hub waystones?"

    "Yes, but-."

    "No time spent killing greenskins and beastmen is wasted, I just want to be a little more efficient. I'm not going to write a grudge in the book if it turns out you were a little off."

    "I see. We can certainly provide you with the approximate areas which we are likely to need to clear."

    "And I can escort your survey teams there and keep them safe while I clear the area." I look at the other Archmages and the Swordmasters. "I assume that's what they're here for?"

    "No. They're here for the other matter. Prince Sharvan relayed your request for information on Ulthuanian birth rates, as well as the fact that several elf women you attended to are now pregnant. We are here to escort written copies of birth rates from several cities, and to see what you can learn from them."

    That must have caused some teeth-clenching. But it's certainly nice to have someone who's prepared to work with me like this.

    I smile.

    "Then by all means, show me the data."
     
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    They may get offended even if you do it right.

    If I remember correctly the guy couldn't even stand on his legs without a potion to help him.

    He could have died.

    Or Paul was cheated.

    'and since their'

    Your first time is always so special.

    'to need to be'
     
  29. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    by all means
     
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    This was a very stupid idea...

    So it's a good thing the elves shot it down...


    The Elves now rightly believe this Paul is an idiot.
     
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