With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I already made a theory as to how she could have come to work for Actually Grayven.

Zoat hasn't given an explanation for how she came to work for Actually Grayven, but I think this may be a good explanation.

 

Ah, I was clicking on the wrong link. Thank you, corrected.

 

I just looked it up. Either women's clothing or women's genitals.

 

why not both?

 

My own search says it just means "womanly" in Latin.

 

Whoops. Without empathic vision, Paul goes back to missing the coke and guns for the motorcycles

 

"Where's the nearest bedroom?"

 

Yeah I remember it being mentioned that some of the Wood Elves tried to kill him.

'there aren't'

Well at least one Paul is fucking a cat girl.

And I guess another one is also doing it, or at least someone that has evolved from felines.

Slaanesh and Nurgle would be interested in giving him an STD.

People don't fuck just to have children.

'Daemons'

That way lies turning everyone into constructs.

Paragon got lucky it didn't happen to him.

Teclis really proved them wrong.

Most of them live in the wilderness and in caves.

'for the'

Mostly weather and occasionally the future.

They can also manipulate these things, but primarily stick with the weather since fate manipulation can be dangerous.

Yeah, one side effect of using magic in this setting is getting changed in ways that depend on what Wind you use.

Gold Wizards can get thing like gold colored skin, a metallic feeling to them and their voices can sound metallic.

Amber wizards can get thingsclike animal eyes, fangs or claws etc.

I'm picturing him and 40k Paul teaming up.

Yes, yes he is.

You're the madman Paul.

Something that all Pauls do.

 

Yeah. It's rare that SI writers are self-aware enough to include their flaws in the SIs like that (in ways that are clearly disadvantageous), and Zoat managed it right from the start.

 

Aside from the usual "haha I'm a wacky guy who defies convention" sort.

 

Don't go imagining cute monster girls, folks. Warhammer Beastfolk walk straight through the deepest part of the Uncanny Valley. It's impressive that Paul here has managed to get them to not be frothing berserkers like the males...

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And let's not speak of the Minotaurs, who are even bigger and dumber. Given the state of their last models (over-muscled lumps who bear all the signs of early CAD work) they're the last thing anyone wants near civilisation...

No, slavery is distasteful. They're more... domesticated feral wildlife. That just happen to be able to talk. Sometimes.

When he's got a hot Elf lady on tap? I doubt it. And I suspect most of the village men have more sense than horniness. ... But you know there'd be that one guy.

Yup. Deep in the Uncanny Valley. Never mind the possibility of random mutations.

But farm animals aren't smart enough to tend themselves. This frees up men for other work.

Yes, but do you want them gone, with every fibre of your being? To take away every victory and avenue of influence they can gain into the world? Could you maintain that focus for long enough to do something about it? Paul here can.

And he means to do it. It's probably a hell of a lot easier with a Power Ring, though.

Technically true. Daemons of Chaos are an aspect of it embodied. Bloodlust, Seduction, Corruption and Madness. And that's the lowest ranks. Greater Daemons are even more intense.

And when Chaos and the Material mix, you get mutations. Beastmen are simply a kind that breeds true.

So they're even less than most Construct Lanterns? No desires but what he commands? A fine fate for them.

Yes, definitely a bad idea to get the attention of the big Snek. Especially since this one isn't Best Snek... Of course, that assumes she hasn't been subsumed by Chaos anyway, or even existed here. I mean, can you see the Gods of Chaos passing up big old blobs of Rage, Want and Fear, never mind the 'positive' end of the spectrum?

That can be mitigated with training. And ultimately, Beastfolk don't generally live as long as their Human cousins do. Partly because they usually get killed by travelling murderhobos Adventurers or Imperial troops.

What's the alternative? Let them develop into something like the Skaven or the Greenskins? Better to try and aim them at something positive...

Quick link for reference: Amber Wizards. You might think 'Oh, hey, Druids!' And you would be wrong.

Ah, the corrupting effects of Magic upon Humans. One of the downsides of Teclis' necessary tuition.

And since Paul is going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting on clearing the sites, the Elves get to take it easy.

Heh. Caring not for what transpires beyond the borders of the homeland, eh? Until it rolls up on the beaches of Ulthuan. I suspect that's a common sentiment amongst the High Elves.

<Pointing Morgan.jpg> She's not wrong. Most Humans, Elves and Dwarves would echo the sentiment that the rest of the world can go hang if their lands are safe.

Ah, the focus of an Orange Lantern with big dreams and the desire to make them reality.

Oh, please. I expect he dangled some bait a lot closer to the heart. Or rather, the loins.

I see habitually poking your allies isn't solely the domain of the Renegade...

Yes, the various Pauls get that a lot.

Heh. Knew it.

Presumably not with him directly, of course. I wonder what her examinations of the Elven mothers showed her?

A nice little breather after the action last chapter. And a quite deep look at this Paul's motivations. It'll be interesting to see where he goes after this. As for the Renegade, I expect we'll cut back tomorrow to see him and Lynne sitting on the bridge of the gordanian ship. After all, there's not much aboard that can stop them when they're on a tear...

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The name doesn't match the other mentions of it.... Also, Double Space.

 

There's always that one guy.

The Jade Order fit the druid picture more.

Humans aren't so resistant to the effects of magic as Elves are.

It's a fairly common trait among the Pauls.

Like a lot.

Tomorrow's episode is also a Fantasy one.

 

All Zoats warhammer stuff is fucking stupid, and really highlights how stupid most of his politics are. The minute he turns his back on beastmen, they will be gone after eating everyone nearby, maybe after raping any men they can find.

It's almost infantalizing in as way, how everyone just needs to given a nudge and will adapt to serve his whims.

Such is the price for SI's and INO's I guess.

 

Sometimes Mr Zoat’s audience highlights and critiques problematic communications between characters: One person (Paul) dominates the conversation and their partner does not get to make an argument in an attempt to sway Paul to their way of thinking. Okay. But that isn’t the way a majority of proposal discussions Paul attempts go. We know it does not always work (see the crumble gauntlets guy, many Controllers that haven’t gone Orange, hawkwoman, many magic-users, and a ton of people Grayven has interacted with). So what?

Mr Zoat uses many, many settings with unreasonable people. People (heroes and villains!) who would favor immediate violence over difficult conversations or ugly concessions as a step towards lasting compromise. Unreasonable people are not necessarily crazy nor criminals. Nor are they “losers fated by writing to be bested by a hero.”

Paragon-Paul and Renegade-Paul (Grayven) are prone towards communicating with unreasonable people in order to direct their efforts in harmonious ways rather than inefficient or immoral ways. This is not “stupid politics.” It is a natural development for a modern man who a) knows little of violence in his daily life, b) knows story conventions/tropes, c) is presented with a location (a fictional universe) with problems, and d) is presented a mighty tool (power ring).

You can complain that his approach is repetitive… inappropriate given the action-focus of the source material… wish-fulfillment… or arrogant. But you have not convinced anybody that Paul’s modus operandi is doomed to fail or dated to cause more problems than it solves. You have not justified insulting the thread author as you have.

 

IIRC the lore Zoat is using for how Beastwomen act also makes them into what basically amounts to regular people with some wonky mutations, ala RWBY's Faunus, so the idea that they would even do any of that is entirely non-canon. So, unless Grimnar is trying to say that everyone in WHF would do exactly the same thing the second someone with power stops looking, it doesn't make any sense to even try and make the claim in the first place.

 

Thank you, corrected.

This one went on a date with two catwomen.

Good luck finding reliable contraception in Warhammer.

Thank you, corrected.

I'm writing in 5th Edition. The changes are far more subtle than that.

I don't think I've mentioned the name of the beastwoman leader before. But I'll correct the double space.

Are you not familiar with the canonical depictions of beastwomen? Because that's not what they do.

 

The depiction of Beastmen and Chaos followers in general really varies greatly depending on the author. They can be depicted as anything from innately evil fanatics who will always ignore all issues of self-preservation and natural interest in favor of harming the innocent to normal people trying to survive as best can while being forced to serve horrific gods and live in a world full of people that hate them on sight.

The Beastmen are also generally written as a default enemy who can be freely fought by the heroes without any of the normal moral considerations that would apply in a conflict with real people. This limited role makes it rather hard to actually evaluate their moral status as individuals and a society.

The question of whether the Beastmen can be redeemed through the use of overpowered Clarke tech Orange Ring is really up to the author. I can see it going either way depending on how grimdark the author wants to make their story.

 

Given how surprisingly helpful and educated Amber Wizards can be despite them avoiding most things involving civilization, I wouldn't be surprised if that was her way of saying, "back off, I'll think about it", and several of the Amber Order eventually show up in the village with research materials on hand, (ghost amber power stones, crystal ball, scrying bones, psychedelic drugs, etc) to help out.

 

I meant within today's post. Like so:

One of these things is not like the other...

 

Oh, right. Thank you, corrected.

 

'Regular women'.



Wherever you are, leave it.

 

That poster, is that bloodbowl?

 

Spike Magazine, Issue 1.

 

loath to

Oh, she has a lovely name indeed, doesn't she.

I mean. Beastfolk. It's the case where that adjective is literal instead of figurative.

 

I wonder what precautions OL took against the Beastwomen pulling a Jurassic Park switch on him. Chaos finds a way, after all.

 

Thank you, corrected.

While it's not impossible, the SI has spent some significant time purging local cults and removing dhar focuses. There isn't anything around to catalyse mutation, and the other beastwomen know they're on thin ice and would either report it or deal with it themselves.

 

I thought that this was in Mousillon? Bretonnia's dumping ground for the shameless evils of the setting? How is the waystone network sufficiently comprehensive to ensure that there isn't anything to catalyze mutation, after centuries of entrenched metaphysical corruption?

 

Well, WHFB Paul can offer the same options to the Beast Women as Paragon Paul did to the Amazons....the issue is beast MEN after all.

 

Chaos Gods: "We're aware. That's the point."