With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

The total lack of dead planets on the real-time map that Renegade has thanks to his rings and The OLC, or even the smallest mention of any of those stars going critical, says that is very much so not the case.

 

You do realize that slower then light effects take time to propagate right?

And that he very specifically doesn't have a real time map since he had to directly ask how things were going?

 

That's comics for you.

 

Really now?

 

on the plus side

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I don't really get how four stars could have been slammed into one another already, @MrZoat. The sheer distance involved, not to mention the absurd amount of mass you'd need to accelerate, and finally, figuring out how to use FTL tech on a star rather than a ship with its FTL systems built into it by design just...doesn't make sense.

Sure, I've no doubt that more than one faction could pull it off...given enough time and preparation. Grayven just doing it twice/four times in a matter of minutes while he's also fighting a war just...makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of comic book science.

To quote Amy from Fututama.

'It's like magic, but with electricity.'

 

And sometimes not even that!

 

So a god of “conquest” just destroyed an entire system, rather than “conquering” it?

Kind of a out of portfolio thing really.

 

Grayven (the actual one, not Renegade Paul) has bluntly stated that he doesn't actually care about Vega, so it's a loss for Renegade and nothing else as far as he's concerned.

 

So.... he basically has a weapon to control THE ENTIRE STAR SYSTEM and then goes to fight in person?

 

I mean, he wasn't going to, but he couldn't refuse the challenge.

 

Zoat is adapting a Starman storyline, merging two different aspects of the storyline.

The Crown Imperial was founded by advanced aliens that gave Starman's ancestor an artifact that allowed him to blow up planets.

So the Crown Imperial advanced rather quickly with a "That's a nice planet you have here, it would be a shame if anything happened to it."

In the Starman storyline, he destroyed it, which in turn destroyed the Empire.

Because the planets were no longer under threats of explosion, they flew away, becuase the conquered planets had all converted themselves into spaceships to escape the moment the planet killer was gone.

So Starman was the last Emperor because his planets flew away from him.

 

Though the Orrery is from the New Guardians comics that were released in 2012, while the Starman storyline was from the pre n52 era.

 

No, he has a device which controls the entirity of the Vega Systems. Many star systems. There is a halfway sensible reason why he's fighting, and it's to do with the fact that Invictus put halfway-decent security on it.

 

No, because the Post flashpoint Orrery was a spaceship the size of a solar system so in fact it has no relevance to anything here, since Zoat's Orrery is not a spaceship nor the size of a solar system, and so there is absolutely no resemblace whatsoever.

Zoat obviously named it the Orrery becuase the definition of orrery is "an apparatus showing the relative positions and motions of bodies in the solar system by balls moved by a clockwork."

 

Zoat mentioned Invictus in the post above yours, and seeing as we haven't seen how this thing looks, but have gotten the name of the guy behind it's creation I'm willing to bet it's like the one that showed up in the New Guardians.

 

So you think Grayven thought that a spaceship the size of a solar system would be found buried in some ruins?

Just how low is your opinion of Gravy's intelligence?

 

The thing in the ruins may not necessarily be the Orrery.

The thing in the ruins could have been just something that allowed Grayven access to the Orrery, or something that allows him to control it, but the Orrery is in a different location.

 

You kind of proved my point there?

Because that's not a real time map, it's a snapshot map.

Also on a note, I underestimated the effect by an order of magnitude. We're looking at two Supernova's not two Nova's. So yea, a few months to years and Vega's pretty much gone.

 

Paul grayven found a krytonian dreadnaught on earth

 

You overcorrected your estimate. A type 1a supernova involves one of those stars being a white dwarf. Two ~solar mass stars will more likely produce a luminous red nova. Still significantly more powerful than a standard nova, but not so powerful as even the weakest supernovae.

 

For specifically type Ia, yea.

But you aren't taking into account the impact velocity of the stars in question. They would have had to have been smashed together at somewhere approaching or even greater then light speed given the time scale's talked about. So we should be talking high level matter to energy conversion here...

 

So he needs to kill Paul the Grayven to assume total control.

 

It's ironic that this is the first time we've seen celestial bodies smashed against each other, for a fanfic with space-flight capable Lanterns this has been a long time coming. I've been waiting for this overly specific scenario. Also funny number post moment.

 

Well, YEAH, Ia is the oddball that can trigger on as little as 1.4 solar masses. The other supernova types start at 8 solar masses. If we're talking about typical midrange stars in the 1-2 solar mass range, a merger wouldn't cause a supernova because there's actually TOO MUCH energy relative to the masses involved -- the stars will just have a big, flashy outburst instead of collapsing and exploding. Compare a gasoline fireball to a stick of dynamite.

Also, impact velocity doesn't work the way you think it does. It's not possible to get two stars to have a perfect head-on collision, because that would require a perfectly precise trajectory and no rotation -- and all stars rotate. Their mutual gravitational attraction will cause them to enter into a mutual spiral around a common barycenter as at least one of their atmospheres are shredded through tidal effects. Even if the stars are zipping around at huge speeds relative to each other, the actual impact velocity will be surprisingly tiny.

 

There's a spaceship the size of a solar system in DC comics? What, did someone bolt engines onto the City from Blame?

 

So Renegade is hoping to consume his other half from within?