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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Grayven's followers are mostly gordanian. Be careful what you wish for.
     
  2. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    'into the Dream'
     
  3. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Thinking of how Paragon is keeping cloned bodies of himself as a backup for his soul, I was wondering, can New Gods be cloned? I'm thinking of clones who aren't sapient in their own right, but merely organic/metaphysical relays for Renegade's New God powers, as well as bodies his consciousness can occupy to physically interact with things in multiple places. In a way it could be like him becoming a gestalt consciousness like the Genomorph Entire, or maybe more akin to how Ritchie Simpson can occupy different bodies.

    Is Renegade doing anything to help efforts to recreate X'Hal from Tamaraneans? In a more ethical way than the Psions, obviously.
    I'm not sure if X'Hal and Auron are still around, there's probably a Word of Zoat about it from ages ago or something.

    Vega might be his, directly or indirectly, but it's more of a long-term investment than anything, even with a Corps of Tamaranean Orange Lanterns currently under his command. If I were him, I'd seek out existing sources of power that could help things along. Getting rid of the Computer Tyrants and recruiting more Coluans comes to mind, just because I was remembering how his forces slaughtered the Dominators on Starlag instead of the more subtle approach Paragon took (initially, anyway). Varnathon should be doing his Qwardian reform thing, so that could be another possible avenue of getting resources, though dealing with qwa-matter is probably something even New Gods should be cautious of.

    I forget; did Renegade Awaken Captain Comet? or did he hold off because of his injuries? I'd have assumed it would have helped him recover to his ideal self, if anything.

    Can Shade travel to other planets through the Shadowlands or anything like that? Can he access his powers while on other worlds/in space? I'm not sure if he came along on the Justice League's trip to Vega, though if they were going to leave someone behind to deal with possible global threats, he makes sense as the person to pick.
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, that's a reasonable usage.
     
  5. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Dox told him he wanted to study the process and renegade said yes.

    Actually Grayven seemed to be aware of them and maybe even where they were, but I'm not sure if he knows the actual location.

    No, he didn't Awaken him.

    He just had Ceanius heal him.

    His telepathy is lower now and he has headaches.
     
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  6. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    In the comics, yes.

    Darkseid cloned Orion and Kalibak to serve him in Legion of Superheroes, and Captain Atom once travelled to a future in which an evil Justice League exists, being people who were genetically altered into clones of the Justice League, including a Mr Miracle.
     
  7. Senevri

    Senevri Not too sore, are you?

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    He's only mostly dead.

    I suspect we're about to see who's the Superior Grayven here.
     
  8. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    We already saw that with the actual Grayven winning.

    Now we are at the "Renegade's ally is going to tack things onto Grayven till Grayven at least somewhat think's he's Renegade" stage.
     
  9. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    Are the "Personality Arrows" something Artemis can do because she's tied metaphysically to Grayven or could Green arrow and whatever Artemis' ex-boyfriend's name was that I can't remember do that too?
     
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  10. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    So we actually got weaponised Elements of Harmony after all.
     
  11. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    The Elements of Harmony are Honesty, Kindness, Laughter, Generosity, Loyalty and Magic not Collegiality, Fellowship, Diplomacy, Uplift, Self-Depreciation, and Humor.
     
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  12. The Unaligned Player

    The Unaligned Player Agony that desires to meet Extinction

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    Strength, Healing, Hope, Beauty, Bravery, Sorcery.
     
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  13. The Froggy Ninja

    The Froggy Ninja The Blade Will Never Die

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    They did refute Life=Death with Friendship=Magic.
     
  14. AmericanNumbers

    AmericanNumbers Not too sore, are you?

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    I do think people are overlooking the fact that Artemis had the Friendship arrows of Magic ready to go in her quiver. This wasn't an accidental outcome but rather a planned one. It wasn't ideal or without risk but Renegade clearly initiated it in the previous chapter and Artemis stepped in to close the trap.
    Also:
    Honesty - Self Depreciation
    Kindness- Diplomacy
    Laughter- Humor
    Generosity- Uplift
    Loyalty- Fellowship
    Magic - Collegiatily (Friendship is Magic)

    That seems to one up well but the author can chime in if i got it wrong.

     
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  15. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Ah, no. The arrows weren't prepared in advance. Artemis empowered them as she fired.
     
  16. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    Wait, we missed the obvious part: if all she was doing was tacking on bits of Renegades personality to Grayven-16 to make him think he's renegade why would she need to know where to shoot?

    Edit:
    Why would Artemis need to know where to shoot then?
     
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  17. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Because she's filling in the differences...
     
  18. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    That only requires a hit not were to hit?

    His first response to being attacked is not to do as Grayven-16 would do and charge her or use the omega effect. It's to act as Renegade would and use the ring, the same thing he admonished Renegade for doing during their fight.

    Calling her Artemis and not 'the pretender's agent' is pretty clearly showing Renegades soul trying to take the driver's seat again. (also the y'know not killing her outright for shooting him)
     
  19. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    Close enough in my book.
     
  20. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    The update clearly states both Grayven merged and its clear that is MORE renegrayven than Grayven 16 as aside the appearance (likely hair length) the result of the merger has all the Renegade equipment, his armor and his face. It's also readily apparent that the Renegade choose to influence Grayven to make the choices that would benefit him instead of engaging in an upfront soul battle and BECAUSE he did that he will likely end in control of everything without giving up much thanks to Artemis assistance.
     
  21. Threadmarks: Veganism (part 23)
    Mr Zoat

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    1st September 2012
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    I…

    "Uuuugh."

    What… Happened..?

    "Are you you, or do I gotta shoot you again?"

    'Do I got'-?

    My face creases up. "Please don't use grammar like that around my children. I want them to-."

    I feel pressure on my broken-. No, not broken? Arm, as Artemis pulls me up. I Am Sworn To Carry Your Burdens, Apparently.

    "I'm sure it woulda been real clever, but you need to pretend to be the other guy when Sinthia gets back with the queen."

    I regain my feet and focus my eyes… Yes, eyes working, body… Not in any sort of pain and I should be. I feel a momentary impulse to check my wounds and face, but suppress it. The other Grayven wouldn't-.

    "Can you make a fake body, really fast?"

    "Why are there arrows sticking out of my-?"
    Clean The Carcass.
    I frown as the arrows sticking painlessly in my body in various places vanish. "You know I hear that, right?"

    "Focus, Grayven."

    "You know that's not actually my name? I just faked it to steal stuff from the Forever People, and then this all happened."

    "What?!" She blinks in astonishment, but recovers. "No. No, not-. Not urgent, but you're going to be explaining that later."

    "Sure thing, Artemis." I smile at her. I'm really lucky to have her. "I'm happy to share anything with you."

    Her face falls. "I think I might of shot you too hard."

    "Have shot-."

    "Body!"

    Ah… Right. Ring, I need a reasonable facsimile.

    By your command.

    Light strobes out of my ring, building up a fake body on a section of the floor. It's not biological and it won't pass any sort of investigation and… It's taking longer to do this than it used to.

    Wait, I-.

    "What?"

    "I remember arriving here. Ah, and activating the Orrery. And-. Artemis, what happened?"

    "I'm-. Not.. sure. Either you merged together and I made sure that you won, or you got erased by the Omega Effect and I shot the other Grayven until he turned into you."

    "Oh." That's… Bad.

    "Do you still remember you? I mean, Earth Grayven?"

    "I live in a mountain near Rifle, Colorado, and have adopted nine…"

    I suddenly get a flash of Grayven's actual interactions with Mortalla. Of her talking to him after one of the walks he took with Father-. Darkseid-. I think she was actually trying to mother him, though… Yes, I feel his feelings. He didn't even notice.

    "Nine children. And-. I think it's going to be easier for me to take control of Grayven's military… I don't think you're going to like this."

    "If I surrender to you. 'You'."

    "And probably if Lynne does as well. The Queen is going to be trickier, and then I've got to decide what we're actually going to do with the fleet."

    "You're not just gunna kill them all?"

    "We didn't kill all the Sheeda."

    "We needed the Sheeda."

    "I don't feel like slaughtering an entire people. Even if they kind of deserve it."

    "Again."

    "I don't feel like slaughtering an entire people, even if they kind of-"

    She chuckles quietly.

    "-deserve it. Mother Box, boom tube to Lynne."

    Ping.

    "I take your point, but these aren't the-"

    BOOM!

    "-citadelians or the psions. They're chancers in a violent universe. If wouldn't be right to exterminate them without at least giving them a chance to get onboard."

    She regards me curiously for a moment. Then something occurs to her. "And the Justice League's here."

    "And the Justice League's here. So, are you alright swearing allegiance?"

    She shrugs. "I basically have anyway."

    "Thank you. I-."

    Sinthia and the two surviving Zamarons escort a blood-splattered Queen Clryssa out of an adjacent corridor and bring her before me. I pause for a moment, then focus on.. Grayven's memories of how he dealt with these people.

    I turn slightly away, letting them bring the queen closer before I acknowledge-.

    Lynne steps through the boom tube.

    **Poppet, play along.**

    **Daddy?**

    **Probably. [Images of my fight and what Artemis said.] I'll need you to clue the queen in without the others picking up on it.**

    **Yes, Daddy.**

    Lynne walks towards me, stopping exactly the same distance away as Artemis is standing. I don't hear any telepathic traffic between them, but they both kneel at the same time. Now, if there was another New God here this would be a problem. This sort of pledge involved deliberately binding one soul as subject to the other. But since there's no one here who can pick up on it, I settle for stepping forward and touching each on the head.

    "Rise, my servants."

    "Lord Grayven." / "Lord Grayven." **I've told her.**

    Then I turn to the queen. I don't see anything in her manner that suggests that she's in any way reassured, but she's a reasonable politician and can probably control her own features to a degree.

    "Queen Clryssa. I have won. I can send the worlds of the Vega Systems crashing into one another at will and your throneworld lays under my guns. You will offer me your surrender, and then we will draft the peace treaty. Hopefully, no occupation will be necessary."

    "And if I refuse?"

    "If all of the suns of Vega were to go nova, you would have roughly a century to evacuate your entire empire before the radiation wave hit and this region was scoured of life. And then there are the casualties that the Crown Imperium would suffer as my fleet eliminated its military capacity. Surrender really is for the best."
     
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  22. Darko

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    Shoot him again just to make sure.

    'I can hear'

    Hot damn, you really are mind whammied.

    It's about time.

    Jesus, you are different.

    No shit Sherlock.

    'Claryssa'
     
  23. Soul Shocker

    Soul Shocker Not too sore, are you?

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    Artemis shot him too hard XD
     
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    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    That may sound a little to reasonable for OldGrayven.

    Actually, would it be so bad to explain Paul conquered OldGrayven? I mean, what better proof he was the superior god of conquest could there be?
     
  25. Dakkan Sall

    Dakkan Sall Random Encounter

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    I... think that these should be capitalized, but I've seen the argument before that they don't need to be if they (or any particular alien race) are being referred to as species instead of as a polity. Either way I figured I'd mention.
    This seems a bit awkward for some reason. I can't recall the last time/if there was a previous example of sending images/impressions rather than dialogue through telepathy, but I somewhat remember it being done with a unenclosed scene/action description of sending the images rather than being contained within the telepathy quote/asterisk marks.
     
  26. Baladar

    Baladar Know what you're doing yet?

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    With the help of his ally that he built up.

    A conqueror is only as strong as their allies and companions are.
     
  27. Mr Zoat

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    No.
     
  28. Darko

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    'I can hear'

    Or

    'I heard'
     
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    Ah, the sweet prayer to the Oh God of Hangovers. I suspect this little misadventure has been unpleasantly like being drunk, certainly. Especially if you look at it from the water's point of view. :p

    Ouch, I'm not sure what was worse for the Renegade: The arrow shooting or her abuse of the English language.

    And it looks like the Renegade is in the driver's seat right now. Assuming they did merge as some of us surmised.

    That won't be too hard. Just channel your inner Chuunibyou. Sneer haughtily, scowl at any backtalk and swagger about like you own all you survey.

    Yeah, going to be suspicious if one or the other isn't around to be paraded in defeat...

    Well, at least it didn't hurt. Not for him, anyway. I'm sure Grayven hated it.

    :eek: ...Holy crap, he really is out of it if he just casually admitted it like that. Then again, she and Lynne are possibly the two closest people to him, and if he can't trust them with it, who can he trust?

    :confused: ...Is the Honesty arrow still stuck in there somewhere? Might want to double-check. Or maybe this is just the post-Harmony high.

    Ah, right, covering up the fact that Grayven-16 is no longer amongst the corporeal. Not sure why they can't just reveal that, but I suspect Sinthia, at least, might object. And The Renegade is in no shape for a Ringslinging battle.

    Well, at least the Orange Ring is talking to him. We'll see what Ringnestro thinks later, I guess.

    Probably so full of good vibes, it's hard to be focused in wanting things. Besides munchies, ya know what I mean, maaaan?

    To be fair, I'm not sure anyone knows exactly what did go on, barring the Cosmic Author himself.

    So... Can we look forwards to occasional backsliding into Grayven-16? Perhaps when he's pretending just a bit too hard?

    Better than a mansion and a yacht, for sure.

    Upside, pretending to be Grayven will be easier, once he gets it all sorted out in his head. Maybe set it up so that Grayven and Renegade memories are compartmentalised, though? Something to work out with Manchester Black, perhaps.

    Since I don't expect ordering them to fly into the nearest sun will work... No matter how hard they're whammied, I don't you'd overcome their self-preservation instincts that easily.

    True. At least they tried to leave the Sheeda better than they found them, too.

    There's that post-Harmony high for you.

    I mean, it'd be, what, the third time you did so? :p You'd think you'd have plenty of practice at it, by now.

    "Nice to have you back. I didn't like the other fellow at all."

    I suppose that's one way to look at it, but their less savoury cultural practices are pretty baked in by now. It'd take some doing.

    Oh, boy. That's going to take some explaining to head off any Righteous Face-Punching coming 'Grayven's way.

    Yeah, spending centuries together in the future have that basically locked in. It'd take acting like Darkseid to lower her opinion of you by this point.

    There we go. Play the aloof arsehole. You're a natural at that. :D

    At least with Lynne, it's easier to explain.

    Been a while since we've seen the Renegade be so open telepathically. Guess he's got some work to do rebuilding his mental fortress, eh?

    Yeah, playing at the benediction of a gracious tyrant... I doubt Grayven-16 would have been quite so gentle about it, though...

    Probably got a sarcastic **Yeah, I figured.** in return.

    Not that he would anyway. Grayven might have let his gordanians loose on the Crown Imperium as a reward, but the Renegade has no truck with such unpleasantness.

    And thus the Renegade expands his sphere of influence. Not quite as nicely as he might have done it, but what's done is done. Barring a last-minute show of defiance from the Queen.

    And so ends the battle for Vega, without even a 'battle at the center of the mind'. Let's hope the Renegade can keep up the facade of arsehole arrogance long enough to defuse the Conquest fleet and secure the Absolute Dominion without a fight. I mean, Sinthia might smell a car-sized rat if he keeps being so pleasant about things... Being a Gracious Victor can only explain so much.
     
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    Renegade specializes in being an arrogant asshole, so it should be easy.
     
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