With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Clearly, Paul needs to realize that he can have more charge whenever he wants.

 

Well, i suppose we did already know that Alan and Blue ring Paul could hope for a recharge.

 

Given that Paul has access to the Honden at need, it would seem that an automate recharge from the Honden wouldn't be a hard thing to achieve for him.

It's actually a bit weird since we've seen him drain the environment for charge before and again he has access to a dimension filled with the orange light that's owned by a friendly ophidian. This would seem like a natural evolution.

 

Rage, rage against the dying of the light

 

Are there Honden equivalents for the other colours?

 

I suspect the difference between the two is akin to looking at a sun and a Dyson swarm.
The difference in brightness is due to how much more of the power output is being harnessed vs simply being radiated away.

 

I'm not saying that The Presence isn't powerful enough to make the multiverse, there are a lot of characters that should have enough oomph to manage making a universe or two at least, I'm saying that (baring some weird retroactive Dreaming nonsense like what happened to the cats in that one Sandman comic) he seems to be a regular god that works the same way all the Earth ones do based on his own admissions in various comics and a statement from the author of the original Lucifer run. Though considering that second one is a Twitter statement that almost certainly didn't go through editorial processes I understand not accepting it as a valid source.

Now if he was made into the actual creator deity of DC by aforementioned retroactive Dreaming nonsense then sure, whatever, but the guy very plainly says he was created by something else, which, if we say that he actually is an independent actor from The Dreaming, leaves only Retconn and The Overmonitor (or any similar beings/groups of phenomenal cosmic power), and The Overmonitor didn't even know creation (including The Presence) existed until it randomly stumbled across it.

There's also the fact that "The Plan" he has can just fail in several cases (including the very existence of The Laughing Magician and that one time Superman didn't want a fancy sword, among many, many others) that make it very unlikely that The Presence is actually an all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent god that made everything to me.

Again, not saying he isn't really strong or that he literally can't be any of those things, but with all the evidence saying otherwise I find it highly unlikely that he is anywhere near as important as people seem to think he is.

 

Build for yourself a Lantern of your own Will.

I mean really, I'm surprised Paul hasn't been like, recharging his ring off the Honden whenever he goes through it.

 

This could indicate that you can't use the Orange Light like that or he simply doesn't know the technique and that it doesn't automatically recharge when he enters the Honden.

 

I have dubbed a potential para-elemental plane of Fear the “hypercube of fear,” based on the assumption that it would have many layers and would feel inescapable.

 

Just to give juping off point/ my 2c

Font of will
Spring of hope
Pit of rage <
Field of love
...
Font and spring are synonyms.
fits in with blue+green = biiig badda boom

Maybe switch them now I think of it
Baptismal Font/ Saint Walker.
WILLspring/ wellspring

Love blooms, but can also become a tangled thorny overgrown mess.

Web of compassion?

Something in the back of my mind...something about Buddha?

Fear also web... den...cavern?
Parralax had batface didnt it?
...swamp. I like swamp. misty, messy, drags you down.
Why yes, my brain did crash on dagobah what of it?

I like the idea behind hypercube, it just doesnt have the same snappy ring to it that honden has.

 

I doubt that Parallax would bother. Parallax doesn't cultivate fear, it enjoys crushing the fearful. If anything, there would be an arena.

 

Where is Parallax? And what is it doing? Is it trapped in the green central power battery? And if so, does this prevent it from accessing the plane of elemental fear?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_(1997_film)

 

Where did the term 'Honden' come from in the first place anyway? Paragon doesn't seem especially acquainted with Japanese culture (I don't even remember him making any references to anime or manga, but I might have missed it since Zoat has at least some familiarity with Gate), and I don't see why the Ophidian would employ that term in particular.
I haven't reread Paragon's first visit to the Honden, which I probably should have, but I'm not sure it'll give me an answer since I think I'd have remembered that.

 

Man, I didn't expect to like Malvolio when he first showed up, but I am really liking Malvolio. I hope we see our wonderful benevolent tyrant trying to figure out how light switches work.

 

I still ship it.

 

I've got questions about elementals. Mostly emotional elementals. Are they naturally occurring? We've seen huge ones like the Ophidian and Ion, which seem to have come prepackaged with the universe, but we really don't see any lesser ones, like how hell is crawling with lesser demons. Demons can be converted into emotional elementals under certain circumstances, like was done to that succubus who became a love elemental. I believe that the terror thing was created by concentrating fear with magic and psychic powers. Michael Siskin's soul probably went through a conversion process, like the succubus, to get turned into fear element by his connection with the terror thing. But do weak emotion elementals ever just pop into existence without someone purposely trying to make one? Or do already existing elementals have the capability to produce more of themselves? I'd guess that's what the Ophidian did with Paul's soul, just breaking off some desire element to shape it into a soul for him. I'd love to see some more about elementals. Sadly, I doubt that DC comics has much of a consistent ruleset for their capabilities.

 

Tgere was that comic of the Ophidian telling Larfleeze that he has spent so much time in the Orange that he doesn't really need his ring to control stuff anymore.

Perhaps the Ring is the Personal Lantern? We already know that Central Batteries can be any size so if the Lantern and Rings work why not?

And how does a Ring, an object, made of an Elementary Color 'run out' of energy? It's made of the stuff so if it really hit zero wouldn't it disappear?

 

I expect the process of recharging your ring without a lantern is similar to the process of creating a lantern. Just skipping a few steps. It might be that logically if you have the skill to make a lantern then you shouldn't need one.

 

Opening a hole in space and pulling something out is one thing. Opening a hole in space and stabilizing it so that you can pull stuff out whenever you want is a step up.

 

Is that why you're not supposed to talk about fight club?

 

Well... That's because it's not actually made out of Elementary Color...

 

This is from when Artemis is introduced and he gets her with the chili. He should know how to make rings assuming he still has the database from his original ring.

 

I think that was supposed to be theoretical. In actual practice it's a lot harder than Paul thought it would be.

 

Well anything Zoat is aware of, Paragon would be. So if he knows the term to use it in the story, he would know it when he is in the story.

Plus domt forget Renegade knew enough to start an Ogre Tentacle Orgy cult or whatever when he first went Big Grey from the Venombuster formula.

 

Your points are true, though I'm sure Zoat's done a fair amount of research since starting WtR that means he has more knowledge about the setting(s) than the Paragon does.

As for the Renegade, I feel like thinking of tentacle orgies and hentai in relation to Japan is a lot more common/generally known compared to the specific social/religious term 'honden'. I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but this story was the first time I came across the term after being a fairly regular anime-watcher for years.

And if Paragon was the one to name the Honden, picking a Japanese term over something more in line with his major cultural influences (I'm including his interests in Warhammer and other media, not just 'English' or secular Christian stuff) is still puzzling.

 

One of Zoat's influences is Magic the Gathering, and Kamigawa Block's Honden cycle was released well before the story began.

 

If that's the reference intended, it makes sense, thank you. Not sure there was a link to 'Honden' somewhere in the orange text when the term first came up in-story.

 

The SI doesn't know.

No, but I was playing Magic: the Gathering during the Kamigawa block.

He spent a century living amongst spacefaring civilisations. He knows how light switches work.