With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Now, I'm sure almost everyone here can see why that's a problem.

But for those who can't, constantly re-writing already existing things so your character is more and more important and more and more powerful, actually ends up doing the inverse and making said character functionally worthless. This is because any half way intelligent reader will know that the writer literally just made XYZ thing up. So instead of the things the writer handed the character making the character seem cool or intelligent, it just makes the writer seem bad. Because those things are all unearned by the character and just handed to them by the writer.

 

God forbid. A writer? Making things up? What has the world come to.

This is a Vaermina response.

 

Indeed, giving the Ophidian more of a place in Hell's hierarchy is going to be a devastating blow for future stories, it's not as if Paul is already so involved with the demonic that he can investigate a suicide by just popping down to Hell and asking the ruler he installed to look up the victim in their Soulodex.

oh wait

 

About that. I was really expecting Mammon to charge Paul some sort of cost for the service. But here's an idea: this is establishing a brand. Now, Mammon can have his cultists go out and offer this service to the living, with the guarantee that this is a service that Orange Lantern himself partakes in.

 

So just for fun in this story we have the following completely separate beings:

Lucifer
First angel to fall (FAFO)
Satan (Saturnus)
Ruler of Hell (Mamom)
Eden Snake (Ophidian)

missing any?

 

In DC Beelzebub and Azazel are also separate beings with their own history and personality.

 

That's interesting. But didn't they exist well before humanity? Before Earth?

 

Brightest Day established that Earth is where the White Light Entity was born into the universe and hence where life first evolved.

Yes, that's pretty stupid, what with the universe pre-dating the formation of the Earth by over 8 billion years.

Hence why I assume Zoat made Earth the fifth world that the White Light Entity has lived, tying in the GLC lore and the New God mythos.

 

Greta Hayes now with Murder Guns

 

Way to try and strip the context out of what I said.

Too bad I'm not going to let you.

See, I was specifically talking about already existing things in a setting being re-written to make an SI more impressive or give them power ups. As was outlined in the response you quoted.

 

I mean, the actual already decided to tie the Ophidian to the Serpent of Eden;

Spoiler

Is it dumb?

Sure.

But comics come packed with dumb shit, so it's not that special.

 

But it gets worse.

I must have actually blocked out the stupidity that they implied a connection between the Butcher entity to Cain and Abel.

Except Cain was the rancher, Abel the farmer.

So for Cain's murder of Abel to create the Butcher, yes, Cain's cow must have been cheating on him with Abel.

More evidence that comic book writers are paid with booze and drugs.

 

......No?

Cain was the farmer and Abel was the shepard.

 

If people are habitually ignoring what you post, it might be a sign you should post better.

 

I sit corrected. <shrugs>

 

These should say DeSaad.

Does that actually help them out in any way? Also, I think that should say 'our'.

 

The Renegade story kinda shows he can be somewhat subtle.

It's possible that Darkseid could have erased any memory.

Ahh, Earth, a truly horrible place.

It's either his brand of tyranny or he thinks he doesn't need to be subtle since there's little that can hurt him.

He's got you there.

Maybe this new evil god us connected to oranges and is offended that people are eating and drinking them.

It wouldn't be the weirdest thing to come out of DC.

 

I haven't had a consistent spelling of Desaad in this story.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Wait, Beryl has a form of super-intelligence? Super-pattern recognition?

Has she considered some sort of BCI instead of holos?

 

In the Renegade timeline it was pointed out that being over-the-top showy is part of how the metaphysical aspect of New God powers work.

 

I was just exaggerating for comedic effect, like you seemed to be exaggerating for whatever reason you do it. You're not wrong. The Ophidian being the snake from the Garden of Eden, and the father of demon lady, is kind of dumb, pointless, and potentially even contradictory to the source material. From what I've seen so far, it just seems like pointless fluff the story doesn't actually need, and that doesn't help contribute to the setting. But it doesn't matter, and I don't care. This information changes nothing about the current situation. No one will start bending over backwards because of it.

Maybe something will come out of it in the future? And if and when that does happen, I'll readjust my judgement upon the quality of the writing. It being foreshadowed like this would be more of a good thing, in my mind.

This is a Vaermina response.

 

She's a bit like Douglas Ramsey- she takes to languages like fish to water.

 

...That sounds so wrong, even though I know he's just doing some escapology training. Still, logical enough to check on the better of the possibilities concerning 'dark evil gods'.

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I'm sure whoever was in charge of them at the time was upset. But it would hardly be a blip in Darkseid's radar.

Gee, such a long-term view of things... He makes it sound inevitable.

I'll bet he's annoyed because he was one second slower than his personal best...

Telos being his goal or raison d'etre. In this case, Tyranny. And a quiet, discreet tyranny is not his style. Like the classic quote about three billion voices and six billion fists, he needs to be seen as total dominion, absolute rule, the master of all things...

...OL didn't ask. But they certainly didn't seem as.. broken.. as you'd expect something exposed to Darkseid to be.

Which isn't good to hear. I shudder to imagine Apokalips' Hell, if it even has one.

Please, don't elaborate... I don't think we want those nightmares.

When OL no-sold it by sheer obliviousness and Avaricious focus? Indeed.

...Well, now OL sounds a bit lazy. Then again, he's hardly equipped to do that sort of thing.

...Unless they've discovered a new way to employ it without any of those things. Which is far more terrifying.

And OL realises just that. Still, better Anti-Life than the much worse alternate.

To be fair, OL doesn't have that much to do with him these days.

Taking the old 'corkboard and push-pin' method to its logical, digital-era extreme, eh?

So, nothing they couldn't work around in their theorising.

Ford Prefect, you are not, OL. Even if you probably do know where your towel is...

Bloody uneducated American lout. He probably only watched the movie.

Given other appearances He's made in fiction, yes.

...Oh, don't try to deny it.

No skeletons in their closets at all? I find that hard to believe.

Heh. Tracing every possible lead, eh?

Ah, the super-hunch comes through.

...Yeah, sure, not every name can be a winner. And after a certain amount of time, all the good names would be taken fairly quickly.

Sounds like a solid hypothesis. I expect the data checks out?

All right, then. There's a lead.

So, face-to-face meetings with the administration team for each possible contact. ...And OL's on it. Hoo-boy.

And so the investigation continues, then. More inquisitive chats with assorted office-folks who have, at best, a tangential connection to all this... Hopefully stuff that can be skimmed over for the most part. Because I don't know about you, but I am eager to see more of Lantern's attempts to keep 'Despera' from going postal in Eternos...

 

If Darkseid can't sneak around then how does he pursue his hobby of sneaking into people's homes and sitting on their couches?

Dick's in for a treat, pity that Terry Prachet and his work can't also be found on this Earth

 

They may have been broken but because they've spent time in Hell they're better equipped to deal with the mental torture.

I think that's just the living world.

It has Alan Rickman, so it was okay.

Maybe that's the only times he can be subtle.

 

Because the point isn't for subtly, it's for the emotional sledgehammer to the face that is opening your door and seeing Darkseid sitting on your couch, drinking your booze, and showing you a porn video of your wife.

You know, as opposed to him setting up a microtransmitter to beam Anti-Life into your subconscious when you're sleeping or something like that.

 

Mr Zoat, I was rereading Episode 42: Fool's Canon and I was wondering if we could ever see Future Orange Lantern back in the world of Avatar, but during Korra's era? My idea was for him to show up after the end of the latest Korra comic, Ruins of the Empire. Maybe he could find a way for Korra to communicate with her past lives again, as I would think Paul would be saddened at the loss of knowledge from losing everything every previous Avatar knew.

 

Oh, yes. I already have plans for that, actually. Older Azula making friends with Korra, taking Mako's place after he leaves the Fire Ferrets to join the police and surprising Zuko by not being dead, while the SI pretends to pretend to not be an Air Bender and drives Tenzin to distraction.

 

Awesome. Would this be before or after Gate though? As at that point, Paul was not sure if Azula could make her lifespan longer.