With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

He's almost surely considering it.

 

This whole story seems off. For one, it doesn't at all divide between Titans and Primordials. It ignores that Zeus's usurpation was the second usurpation. It discards Uranus and forgets that most (actual) Titans are not one with their primordial source domain, thus making them, what, superfluous?

And this problem is not solved by merely retconing the Theogonies. Because it has been established in story that Rhea, sister-wife of Cronus, was much more of a person than an alien force. And so were the Titan Seed recreations of her siblings. And the original Titans that these Seeds came from also simply don't fit as beings of the same class as Erebos, Tartarus, Gaia, Aether and so on. Their domains are often centered around much more human than material concepts, like Coeus or Mnemosyne, or around no specific and known concepts at all, like Crius.

And all this is ignoring the Titan's children not of Cronus. Like Hecates parents or Helios (who himself could be considered as having his power source in Aether or Hemera).

 

Why would any of that matter to Hecate?

 

Yeah, Orin may still be harboring a grudge with Paul about not telling him about his kid.

It's possible that Rhea learned how to act more like a person over time and later on taught her Titan Seed children how to do it.

Though it could be that Zoat just made a bunch of mistakes with how they work.

 

In the Lovecraft Mythos, Cats were the original Dreamers of Earth, using Humans as favoured servants.

Then the Dreamrealm got...corrupted? Eaten? And the cats lost (most of) their powers and devolved into what they are now.

 

I just realized. These should say "Venturia's" and "travelers".

 

So the gods are Deep Sea Probes for exploring a (to the Titans) alien environment, but the Titans put so much autonomy in them that they hacked their controllers and put them into the Matrix (Hades) to be a thaumic power source.

Is Cronus eating his children an allegory for keeping them in a simulated environment and never letting them out in the real world?

 

Thank you, corrected.

I don't think to.

He isn't exactly a racist in the modern sense of the term. He wouldn't have any problem with Kaldur, for example.

Thank you, corrected.

Not in my country, colonial.

 

I understood that reference !

 

The cats part is...Confusing. But at least Hecate is just as confused by it as everyone else. Releasing the titans carries the risk of a titanomachy and some of the gods can be trusted with their powers and most, if not all, don't want to go back to how things used to be but I think that Paul could find a solution but Erebos. That is a problem, even though there are other afterlives, the loss of one like the Greek underworld would be devastating and I'm sure that Paul will not allow the various souls within to dissipate or wander the Earth forever or have other afterlives deal with a refugee crisis. Yeah unless Paul finds a solution of keeping the underworld functioning then Erebos cannot be released.

 

It also leaves out the other pantheons entirely. Now, having Zeus and the Greek pantheon being the ones that grabbed the Titans (which I'd take a theoretical stab at existing as similar conceptual spots for the egyptian Kahndaqi and Norse groups) would explain WHY they're the pre-eminate non Abrahamic power on earth. The Titans themselves, like The Green and other magical aspects appears to be, is not limited to earth. They likely are a bit more universal, or spread between worlds as similar related aspects, while the gods are...local franchises I guess would be a good term. Releasing the Titans might just up the amount of magic in the known universe for all we know.

Honestly this is a rather scary prospect. Doing a Theological Dating Game to get a new Queen for Zeus might be easier to restore the status quo, but I don't know if thats even an option if OL keeps digging into the fundamentals of reality.

Huh....maybe just ask if Hectate is single...I figure a Triple Goddess might just let him cheat with another version of herself. Solves Both Issues.

 

Where does that leave the Protogenoi, the Primordial Gods?

 

Though he still is a bigoted bastard and would probably have issues with Kaldur both because one of his parents isn't Atlantean and the other belongs to a group that got a non-pureblood alteration.

It's possible that some of the other pantheons could have similar situations with ancient gods like the Greeks do.

Lots of religions have the gods beating some older force and using said force in some way.

The Norse had Odin and his brothers beating Ymir and using his body to create the world.

The Aztecs also had some of their gods beat some Lovecraftian crocodile monster and use its body to make the world.

Maybe these things were other versions of the Titans.

They either don't exist or Zoat made them into Titans.

 

Several possible answers to that. Hecate could be lying, she could be dumbing it down, or the Greek authors who originally wrote about them might not have understood what they were being told.

Not at all. It's a foolish lord who criticises a servant for serving.

 

So Ahri'ahn's less racist and more elitist?

 

Well, if we're dealing with the more antagonistic aspect of Hecate, then yeah, I could see her lying, although so far we're seeing her in her helpful "Mother" form, not so much the bitter, vengeful "Crone" who wants to tear Hades, Hera, and Olympus as whole a new one for screwing her over in the past after all the help she gave the Olympians.

So perhaps it could indeed be that she's dumbing it down for Paul, not putting in any separation between the Titans and the more COSMIC Primordials.

Funny thing of course, Chronos (Time) and Nyx (Night) are basically the mother and father of the Endless. Perhaps Hecate could be trying to avoid drawing the attention of her peers?

 

Yes he's very elitist.

 

He's both racist and elitist.

He'd be fine with someone he views as belonging to a lesser race, so long as they serve their "betters".

 

From what I remember Zoat stating before, it's about region.

Regional stereotyping.

A black Antlantean would be an "us," a white Tritonian would still be a "them."

He created the Atlantean races, as in mermen, octopus heads, human whales, etc, based on the regional stereotypes in his head.

So the races are just visual signals of his region based elitism.

Since Kaldur and his momma are almost perfectly human in appearance, I guess he thought whatever area they were from were almost equals.

It'd be like a wizard turning all Texans into minotaurs because "everyone knows" Texans are cowboys.

 

Source Wall, Source Wall, one way trip to the Source Wall.

 

And this is why you don't re-write large portions of an extensive mythos so your SI can stomp around it as a unstoppable force.

 

Vaermina response.

Paul isn't an unstoppable force. He's just big enough to be able to dip his feet into the buisness of just about anyone and everyone, and just small enough that if he pisses off the wrong people, or goes about things too brashly, he will be taken out.

 

I'm pretty sure there was an episode about a version of Paul who was in the Cat world in like 10,000 BC or something.

EDIT: Here

 

That link takes me back. I'm guessing Canis isn't impressed by the show?

 

I remember him kinda interacting with the Khandaq gods, and later meeting the servants of the Norse gods.

So I was right that other pantheons had their own Titans.

'than taking'

Yeah, in Hinduism you're reincarnated ijna life that can reflect your actions during a previous life, like being reincarnated in a rich family for leading a good life in the previous one or in a poor family for not being moral enough.

You can also be reincarnated into an animal as punishment.

Plus it may be possible to remember previous lives.

Ahh, laziness.

Big baby.

It's possible that he hasn't...ahhh...properly...digested...her.

You did once speculate that he could use all of them.

This is why you don't leave him alone!

 

I'm getting Scion 1e vibes from this.

 

Free Metis form Zeus's head and use the power of wisdom? Also, the I wonder if Hecate could help those Titan children Paul met before.

 

Needs more attacking.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Certain animals are seen as especially sacred. So I guess becoming them is a super reward.