With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Um... You do know Comic Vine isn't an official site right?

The actual comic shows that Guardian dying.

And of course the comic I posted earlier showing a Guardian directly stating Larfleez doesn't have the power to turn Guardian's into construct lanterns.

 

Just caught back up so please forgive the long post.

This is why I love this story. Every one of these items has been set up before hand, they were a plot point that moved their own story forward and now that OL knows about them he pulls them back into the story in a way that we can see the logic of how each bit of information leads to the current solution.

Talking to not Constantine about using a titan for power

Talking to Hephaestus about gaining the titan's power

Discussion about the prototype

Technically this is the spear from daemon world.

With OL using what we know he has it feels, to me, more like a mystery right now, each bit building to the big reveal.


Now, having said that I don't think the big reveal is going to be Zeus getting defeated, we have already had that reveal as many people both in story and out of the story have pointed out. We already saw OL take down two powerful otherworldly entities, so this feels more like a moment of hubris. One of the things stated at the beginning of this current quest was concept of nemesis, OL was flippant saying he was going to be the retribution on Zeus but I expect instead we will see the reason for Batman to become the nemesis of OL.

Now I am not sure about this but apparently Mr Zoat has said that Batman will come to hate or blame or resent OL for some reason? I had to skip a lot of non-story posts so this is second hand not sure if its true. But what if, OL and crew perform this merging, confront Zeus and something goes wrong and Diana gets hit when Zeus fights back. (Like Zeuses power gets disrupted or he gets killed or some other terrible fate that snaps all the power back to the titans while Diana is still in Tartarus.) So she gets injured or killed or has to suddenly take in all that power and becomes a god but its two much so she gets destroyed like Hephaestus is worried will happen to him. That would turn most of the heroes against him. And it would be a big enough mistake that it would possibly reorder how he enacts his desires.

The problem is, as far as I understand enlightenment, OL can't change anymore. He knows his desires and can't not do what he wants to do, he can prioritize which wants he will act on, but he doesn't have conflicting wants that he can overcome. It's one of the reasons everyone around him changes how they act when he is around, they are literally interacting with an alien thought process. You can't change his mind you can just bargain with how he will go about acquiring his desires. Show him you are working towards his final need and he will assist you, attempt to stop him and he will ignore you at best, remove you at worst.

Now I might be completely wrong.

 

All but stated, heavily implied sure, a logical leap based on them having made the rings yep.

But all I see in that picture is Larfleeze threatened to assimilate, a blue baby saying he can't and Larfleeze getting distracted.

And yes all wikis are only as accurate as the dumbest person using it so again, if you can show me a page that says they can't be assimilated or one of them breaking assimilation I'll accept it.

 

Woop! Project Hepheastus++ is go!

And Athena is delightfully pragmatic.

Not surprising, but still nice.

And what holy day are people observing?

 

'If, having'

're-emerge'

'safer than option'

You were, but that's not saying much.

Ha!

 

Crash helmets on. Goggles down. Alright guys, let's do this.

LEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY....

 

Rich coming from her. Athena was born of Zeus's headache. Or at least that is common origin story for her.

 

One of the earlier times Paul worked with Hephaestus he started showing the word that praying to Greek gods can get actual supernatural aid. There's been a lot of pagan revolution in this story due to a combination of active old gods and Angels turning people off of Christianity.

 

You're trying to get Vaermina to use and listen to logic and evidence.

Why?

Seriously, at this points we all know that Vaermina either doesn't care about logic or evidence, or is literally incapable if using them on a fundamental level.

Nothing has worked in changing Vaermina's mind on these topics.

We've asked them to change politely, we've insulted them, we've kept showing evidence that disproves their beliefs, but none of it has worked.

Don't try to get Vaermina to see reason. It's a waste of time.

This sounds like a good explanation.

 

What is Hepheastus's holy day. Google search didn't give me anything.

 

I hope you haven't been pestering him about this the whole time, OL. He'll decide when he's good and ready, not when you want him to. Your.. unique.. kind of encouragement isn't going to be all that helpful here.

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To be fair, more time to prepare and recheck your workings is probably a good idea. This is not something you want to go off half-cocked.

OL doesn't need to be the expert in everything, after all. That's what his vast list of contacts is for.

Not great, and not likely to allow him to challenge the stronger Olympians.

Safer, but it would leave the world without Wonder Woman for that long... Unless Zeus has a change of heart.

Effectively, disconnecting him from his portfolio of smithery and metal-crafting, then reconnecting to the larger spread of all technology (which would include his prior place...)

I suspect it would mean a more metaphysical dismantling, than an entirely physical one... But who knows with Olympians?

Wouldn't do to free him from Nabu... By turning him into orange crush.

And that wasn't even his worst-possible plan, remember? I believe the doomsday plan was 'summon ALL the demons'?

He's technically half-bonded with her a few times. But given chunks of her are woven into his soul... That's hardly surprising.

Though it was hard for you to recognise that dislike at the time... What with the 'soaked in demonic energies' bit.

And in the process stealing a jump on most of the other Gods of metalcraft and sciences.

You should find that worry familiar, OL. Remember your early thanatophoia, before you got a working soul and a guaranteed afterlife placement? And your concerns about the Orange Light altering your mind? (Which seem to have faded after Enlightenment, I'll note...)

But does he want to hear that information from you, OL?

Ha! He's got you there, mister 'Planning to empower a friendly god to battle an unfriendly one for spurious reasons'.

No, OL. Just... No.

And what better source of Wisdom than the Goddess of it?

Ah, the joy of being younger siblings. United against the elders.

I'm sure the reality will blow away all expectations you might have, Grey-eyed Athena.

Pain and peril. Quite a heavy cost for the power he wants.

Hah. Bet when that happens, the first thing she does is smack Zeus right in the little thunderbolt...

I'm sure you have the will and the focus to endure it.

Yeah. People aren't really cowed by storms anymore. Zeus is... Much depreciated in the eyes of mankind, between his jackassery and his fading relevance.

Cue the heroic gearing-up montage theme!

So, Operation: Reforging is a go. It was nice to see him choose to hear his sibling's advice on the risk, even if she did little more than help him align his intentions. I expect if we see anything of the process, it'll be all light and sound beyond mortal comprehension. Still, there's no turning back now, even if Zeus picks up on this and comes crashing in...

 

I would guess he is referencing this:

It might not have been his holy day before, but it might as well be now. It might be the largest regular show of piety any of the Greeks are getting nowadays.

 

To be fair, he was being moderate.

By his standards.

It's just that what Paul considers to be moderate, others would still view as extreme.

And they were also lovers in this story!

Eww!

But what can you expect from Olympians.

 

I want to see newly power mad Hephaestus do a musical.
This:



But with robots
And the palace door is the gate to Olympus.

 

Just thinking ahead to the removal of Zeus, there are some other knock on effects.

Anyone or thing that taps into him may have reduced or lost powers. While his children have their own god hood to sustain them, someone like Captain Marvel (remember the Z in Shazam is for him) or Dana Dearden (one of her magical coin's is her link) might have issues down the line.

Any powers sustained by him directly, or linked to be powered by the titan's through him might weaken or be disrupted.

Things that you can't likely plan around are the ones you don't know about. And he's had a lot of years to get involved with this kinda thing.


On a distantly related idea, anyone else been wondering what Zeus's opinion of Gotham's Maximillian Zeus is ?

 

Except it's 100% up to you...

And every innocent who dies because of this is on your head.

 

JEEEENNKKIIIIINSSSSS!

 

Eh, preferably this one, it's more magical.

 

I am sure that captain marvel can find some other powerful being who's name starts with a Z to parishion.

 

There's also the high possibility of "fuck you"'s Zeus would have arranged to screw over anyone who overthrew him.

And of course the fact that LePaul is completely ignoring the potential WMD level collateral damage to Earth from Zeus and Hephaestus fighting.

Which includes the very real possibility that if Zeus starts loosing he will go "If I'm going down I will take a billion people with me".

 

Expand? I suppose he could withhold the Spear and training ring, but Hephaestus has last say on whether or not they do the ritual itself, and afterwards he’d be the one who decides what happens to the Titans in Tartarus. OL certainly bears a certain amount of responsibility, but not 100%.

 

The Hephaestia, which is basically a big trade show.

Thank you, corrected.

SHAHAM!

 

concern -> concerns OR were -> was

Gave me chills. It's either great writing or a covid symptom.

 

Woo! Teekl is getting a new friend in the not-exactly-dead realm!

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Hephaestus.

 

Sure, and after he's done that instead of only being dethroned he'll be unmade, because earth doesn't need his unstable ass in case he goes through with it.

 

If shazam becomes shaham and gets the power of hephaestus he could still make and control electricity because that is under the purview of technology.

 

LETSGO ROBOT OLYMPIANS UPGRADES FOR EVERYONE

 

Or not. He's not that unstable.

 

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