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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Windona

    Windona Beetle Queen of Crackshipping

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    Welp, a brain in a robot is never a good sign if you're not expecting one.

    Also 'We won the war!' in a victory so pyrric that I wouldn't call it victory
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    At this point, the Enclave will take what it can get.
     
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  3. jasonh23761

    jasonh23761 Not too sore, are you?

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    An odd tangent but bare with me. I realize 76 is kinda verboten in most Fallout circles but as flavor lore I rather like it. Along with some of it's questionable design decisions, taking a lot of the flavor lore and leaving out the too weird/absurd parts amuses me.
      • The Enclave's secret bunker being a literal stone's throw away from the ghoulified PRC infiltrators cavern base. These ghouls would actually both outlive and remain organized for longer then the Appalachian Enclave.
      • The Secretary of Agriculture, Thomas Eckartt, manages to essentially be the sole surviving member of cabinet that his branch of the Enclave can contact and then leverages it to become President of the United States in their eyes, of course he also gasses all dissenters.
      • He decides that a second strike must be conducted on those "god-forsaken reds" (his words at some point, I think, he rants a lot) out of a combination of genuine paranoia and a grudge against his father who was a high profile socialist and traitor to the good ol US of A.
      • President Crazy-Pants then proceeds to go through a series of increasingly stupid actions that essentially are the root cause of 95% of the crap you end up dealing with in 76. Including but not limited to:
        • The mass murder of dissenting Enclave personnel, including the surviving flag officers.
        • The deliberate cultivation of the Scorch Beasts and associated Scorch Plague which wipes out the Appalachian survivors one faction at a time, though this is aided by the survivor's stupidity.
        • The deliberate release of PRC propaganda and sabotage robots known as "Liberators"
        • Active sabotage and murder of Free States aligned survivors.
      • All of it in the name of essentially tricking an automated system to give him control over automated, self assembling nuclear missile silos with the aim of conducting a second strike on the PRC.
      • President Crazy-Pants kills off his own General, is then locked out of the system until finding loyalist officers to promote to General. He then misleads and lies to this General and when she gets suspicious, has her placed in a coma.
      • The General's troops try to reclaim her and start their attack by trying to take the bunker AI, MODUS, offline. MODUS does not take well to this and both locks down the bunker and kills everyone inside with a liberal spray of gas.
      • All in all, President Thomas Eckhart sets a high bar for the most moronic, blood thirsty incompetent, self defeating and destructive leader and Fallout faction has ever had. At least Caesar had pretensions of sophistication and purpose with half remembered hegelian justifications. Eckhart was in human epitome of everything wrong with pre-war USA.
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    If you play Old World Blues as WARDEN, you get in contact with MODUS at the end of your focus tree. He basically gives you some nukes on the condition that you stop trying to contact the President.
     
  5. jasonh23761

    jasonh23761 Not too sore, are you?

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    It's been awhile since I played OWB, I'm honestly just waiting for 4.0 to come out already with how long they've been teasing it. I'm quite looking forward to Montana Enclave and what they do with the Rangers.

    Eckhart would have been long dead by then, 150+ years dead I think. Honestly at that point I'm hopeful Appalachia becomes something but the absence of any mention of them in FO3 will be difficult to reconcile lore wise. Especially with FO76 having expeditions to the Pitt in the next season.
     
  6. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Me too, because of course no one is updating their submods until it drops.
    Just me on the racoons, then?
     
  7. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    So not the Institute then...
     
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  8. jasonh23761

    jasonh23761 Not too sore, are you?

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    Yeah, that makes sense. The NSB expansion dropping in the middle of the dev cycle didn't exactly help either.

    Yeah, just you mate. Some days I forget just how off the wall FO1 was.
     
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  9. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    After all, They wouldn't call it that if it wasn't meant to be strip mined.
     
  10. Threadmarks: Fallout: Iowa (part 7)
    Mr Zoat

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    4th November 2282
    16:34 CDT


    "Doctor. Mister Krowno. What do you have for meh?"

    Governor Autumn stands at parade rest, his two power armoured bodyguards staying a few paces back. They don't actually wear Advanced Power Armour. Instead, they've got something called Hellfire Armour, and given that the pauldrons and helmet have a noticeably different shape than standard APA I've encouraged them to switch over to that variant entirely for their more sophisticated units.

    "They're using brains, s-. Governor." Dr. Rubens uses a wand to point to one of the heads we took apart more carefully once we understood enough about their interior structure to do that without mangling anything. "They're cybernetically augmented to handle the robotic frame, but there aren't enough synthetic components in there to do all the work."

    "Am ah to unduhstand that somebody is making a new type of robobrain?"

    "Yes, Governor. Only this time, they're using human brains."

    Autumn frowns, disgusted. "What mannuh of man would stoop so low?"

    I nod. "General Atomics, but these use a different interface system. I'm not sure-."

    Doctor Rubens rolls her eyes. "General Atomics used chimpanzee brains for their robobrains. Not a lot of chimpanzees in America today. This is new."

    "With the greatest respect, Doctor, I am something of an expert on human brains. The robobrains guarding the Vault-Tec headquarters in Washington D.C. were definitely using human brains, as were the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot."

    She blinks, a refutation rushing to her lips before the obvious fact that I will have checked makes itself known to her thought processes.

    "How do you even know what a chimpanzee looks like?"

    "Greenway Hydroponics kept records of just about every animal and plant that they could, and I've got good relations with them." She frowns slightly. "The old U.S. government's seed bank project? I told you that was where your G.E.C.K. came from."

    "That-. May well be, but-."

    "But human brains can serve the same purpose?" Autumn has walked closer, taking a look at one of the board-mounted engineering diagrams. "Is theyah anything left of the man inside?"

    Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "No. The system for providing tactile feedback isn't complex enough."

    That's not a certainty. Diana's brain exists in a similar system, but she's got an entire facility and a ZAX mainframe to get input from. These… Mechanoids? Don't have that, and we couldn't find a remote communication device.

    "I…"

    Autumn turns his head my way. "Mister Krowno? You disagree?"

    "We couldn't detect any trace of the chemicals that General Atomics used to wipe the brains they used. The damaged caused to the prefrontal lobe by the cybernetics suggests to me that whoever did this wasn't interested in preserving the personhood of whoever's brain this was. And Doctor Rubens is right about the deleterious effect a lack of tactile feedback has on the human mind… But I wouldn't want to draw a firm conclusion without more information."

    "Such as hwat?"

    "If we pierced the cranial armour of one with a still-living brain, then I could try communicating with them telepathically."

    "It seem to me that doing that would be something of a risk."

    "I've communicated with diseased minds before, and robobrains."

    "Ah was referring to the difficultah of bringing one of these things down. Ah trust you to make a determination of your own abilahties yourself."

    I shrug. "You've the governor, Governor. I'm happy to make the attempt."

    "Have you discovahd anything that would give us a clue about how many of these machines arh out theyuh waiting for us?"

    Dr. Rubens shakes her head. "With communications being as difficult as they are and with.. what we know about recent mutant displacements, anyone who was making these could easily get hold of a lot of human brains."

    "Come now Doctuh. Please do not refer to our fellow Americans in so derogatory a mannuh."

    I nod. "The people of Heaven's Gate are pretty close to pre-War human baselines, physiologically speaking. So there's no real way to confirm if that's where these brains came from. It could equally be some sort of virtual reality Vault that no one else has discovered."

    "Ah see. What else have you discovuhd?"

    Dr. Rubens moves along to a group of devices extracted from the robot's torso.

    "They don't run on nuclear batteries. They appear to generate electricity by feeding on radiation in their environment. We found these devices on the inside of their air intakes; they're breathing in the radioactive dust clouds to keep themselves going."

    "So they cannot leave them."

    "Not for long, at least. And their guns don't have space for power cells; they run them purely off their own internal batteries."

    "Could we modify them for our use?"

    She nods. "Yes, but they're not much better against armored targets than our existing weapons. I don't know how worthwhile it would be."

    "And against unarmored targets?"

    "Slightly superior. Do you have something in mind, sir?"

    "It seems to me that these would make excellent worm killuhs, if combined with an eyebot and some mannuh of lewuh. And what about the powuh sources themselves?"

    "They won't work here; there's not enough radiation. I could build some sort of charge station that a patrol could take with them into the dust clouds so they could recharge their power cells, that wouldn’t be too difficult. Or we could build a power plant in the clouds and lay a cable back into the settlement."

    He nods. "Mister Krowno, have you seen this technology in use by anyone else?"

    I shake my head. "No. This is the first I've seen of it."

    "Ah see. And is theyuh some limitation on how long these robots can operate?"

    Dr. Rubens nods cautiously. "Yes, their peak draw is far more than they can generate outside of the very worst radiation zones. They use them to charge their internal batteries and capacitors, so unlike the fusion cells in our power armour they can only fight for… I'd say twenty minutes at most before they would shut down due to lack of power. Even less if they wanted to give themselves time to disengage."

    "Is theyuh any advantage over the fusion cell that I am simply not seeing?"

    "They'd be easier to manufacture. We salvage our atomics from pre-War sources but these can be made without doing that."

    "Which suggests that whoevuh made these does not have access to a storehouse of advanced pre-War technology. Aftuh all, the design of the fusion cell was not considered to be a state secret."

    "That seems likely, Governor."

    "Then this design is theyuh own?"

    "Not entirely. The arms and legs are based on the designs for pre-War cybernetics, as are a lot of the chassis and motor systems. But the robot-. Cyborg, is something."

    Autumn nods thoughtfully, not looking at either of us.

    "Mister Krowno, I fear that ah must call upon your services. Given the events of our recent past, ah have no desire to seek affray with owuh new neighbours. Yet they attacked you without warning, and ah cannot risk hwat little of the Enclave still remains to the vagaries of fate."

    I nod. "I'll speak to the Sergeant about putting a team together to do some exploring. See if we can make contact."

    "Ah would be most grateful. Yet I am aware that our situation here is dependent on your embassy and intervention with owuh former enemies. Do not risk yourself unnecessarily."

    "As you say. Governor. Doctor."
     
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  11. KaiKolo

    KaiKolo Know what you're doing yet?

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    I wonder if large scale power generation using the Environmental Radiation absorption could be used to reduce the radiation levels over time.

    You would need to spend time and resources replacing or moving the power generators to new locations once they've depleted the Environmental Radiation but that's a small expense compared to the benefits to standards of living and quality of life that less radiation would bring.

    Say what you will about Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, I do like the signs that nature has adapting to the new environment and life continues without having to become gigantic or mutated monstrosities.

    It would be great to see what ever became of the Capital Wasteland after Project Purity.
     
  12. Chojin Patriarch

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    Dear gods, I can hear the drawl. At any rate, I see he's an old military man. Hopefully he's wise enough to know to let the big brains work out what the troops need to know to fight these things.

    And done a better job of it than the previous design by that name. After all, these ones walked, ran and jumped their way around the battlefield.

    ...Maybe someone already accustomed to using human brains for control systems?

    Oh, is that what they claim?

    Yeah, Krono is not known for making wild accusations, I'm sure.

    After all, you're going to need such things to rebuild, once the radiation is cleaned up.

    If there is, I suspect trying to read their mind will net you nothing but endless [Screams Internally]...

    So it's a safe bet that no, they don't.

    Hmm... What to tell him, hmm?

    Well, he does have one advantage the rest of you don't...

    I'm sure the 'Mechanoid' and its buddies would have natural objections, yes...

    Well, now that's what I call a reasonable authority figure! :D

    And more importantly, how aggressive they might be towards your borders?

    Goodness, not a bigot? I'm liking this guy even more.

    Now there's a nasty idea. The group responsible for these, raiding a cryo-vault full of pre-war humans... They could well have hundreds of Mechanoids lurking about.

    Clever idea, given the average radiation level outside the colony.

    Further reducing their operational runtime. Scary thought: what if these were prototypes sent out to make themselves useful once their tech had been surpassed?

    And you'd be limited to using them in high-radiation areas. Hardly pleasant for the men carrying them.

    Well, every iota of advantage counts in a situation as precarious as theirs, I suppose.

    'lewuh'... Lure? Huh. Clever idea. Adapt them into point defence weapons against hostile wildlife, maybe?

    To be fair, you haven't seen the whole country yet, have you? There could well be stranger things out there...

    But unlike your power cells, they won't create a miniature nuclear blast if they're breached, will they?

    Helpful, for a colony just starting out. Even with neighbours willing to help you with tech, there's still a lot of holes to be patched in your technological base.

    In other words, they're making new shit up as they go? Interesting. Gruesome, but interesting.

    So, if you could get them on your side, would you? Their ideas are unorthodox, but inventive.

    And just ignoring it might seem like an open invitation for further assaults.

    The joy of being the most valuable guy in the region.

    So, then. What's the bet that if he does manage to get one of these Mechanoids pinned down long enough to read its brain, all he gets is frenzied screaming? Because it sounds like the source behind them isn't too concerned with humane treatment of its human resources. I wonder, how likely is it that this is an old pre-war AI left to fester for centuries, that thinks the war is still on and pegging any and all lifeforms as hostile combatants?



    Mr Zoat, Corrections:
    ...as were the ones recovered from the Sierra Army Depot.
    ...if combined with an eyebot and... (Unless his accent can be blamed...)
    ...as is a lot of the chassis and motor systems.
    ...and ah cannot risk what little of the Enclave...
     
  13. iamnuff

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    Talk about your green energies, huh?

    It's powered by ambient Bad Shit(tm) in the atmosphere, so it's more-or-less clean to use, and if you drain enough of it you might actually make the environment slightly safer.

    Something about the idea of a power-plant that inflicts Unpollution on the area around it really appeals to me.
     
  14. BlackCoat13

    BlackCoat13 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    A power generator that sucks the radiation out of an area would be a rather nice PR and diplomatic tool, which considering they're the ENCLAVE they'd really need something to help the people of the apocalyptic world look past their history.
     
  15. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Doesn't the fact that "Radiation" is already a form of radiant energy transfered through atmosphere mean that it's already leaking from the object? I don't see how draining the energy in the continually dissipating energy in the atmosphere would affect the energy in the area since it comes from irradiated objects.

    Wouldn't a better method simply be to drain the irradiated objects of radiation in that case?
     
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    They could, but it's not really worth the effort when G.E.C.K.s do it better.
    Though it hasn't happened yet, the military power and water control means that the Western Brotherhood is probably going to end up ruling the region. The only question is whether the Outcasts leave the region of yield to the inevitable.
    I want to know where his accent comes from. He grew up on the Esat Coast and moves to the West Coast, and no one else in the Enclave talks like that.
    You could also read it as 'don't do it out loud when they're standing right there'.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  17. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    He is a politician now

    The damage
     
  18. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Funny you mentioned OWB 4.0, because it just dropped.

    [​IMG]

    Spoiler is the map as of the release.

    Seems there's an Enclave presence in Montana called MacArthur Base and their main rival is a Brotherhood chapter. They also get quite a bit of material support from the Chicago Enclave.
     
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    What's this? A sensible person in power? In Fallout???

    And he's Ex-Enclave?????

    Heresy! Burn the witch!
     
  20. Mr Zoat

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    Flipping Nora, I hadn't realised how big it was going to be.
    And if I remember correctly, those are designed by the person who did Enclave Reborn.
    House is pretty sensible.
     
  21. I_S

    I_S Getting sticky.

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    Gah every single comment I have is multiple different forms of radiation does not work that way.

    Freakin fallout and it's magical clarktech radioactive materials.
     
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    Given that at least three separate species of radiophagic/radiovorous black mold have been discovered inside what's left of Chernobyl's reactor #4, happily photosynthesizing the gamma radiation the corium in the "elephant's foot" is giving off, I don't think the idea of what's essentially a photovoltaic cell working in the gamma ray wavelengths is that implausible.

    Inefficient, yes, like all solar cells (in terms of surface area required per energy output), and prone to rapid decay due to the damage from alpha and beta particles, but I don't see any physics-based reason it couldn't be made to work, anyway. Gamma rays are merely, as Spock once put it, high-energy photons, after all.
     
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    I will say, I love fallout 3, but I absolutely despise what they did with the GECK.
     
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    Would you care to elucidate?
     
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    Silverias Know what you're doing yet?

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    In Fallout 2, the surprise about the geck is that it's basically just a settlement starter kit. This is from the fallout bible and some pretty minor stuff in fallout 2, but basically, the geck is only a terraforming device in that it has a cold fusion generator, chemical treatments for the soil, fertilizers, seeds, and all the literature you'd need to restart society. There's mentions of a matter-energy replicator in the manual, but the fallout bible (semi-canon stuff released later), says that the replicators are a corporate lie from vault-tec referring to the seed and fertlizer systems, plus codes for the fabricators in the vault to assist in its disassembly into a functional settlement. (See: Vault City in FO2)

    It's not supposed to be some miracle terraformer that converts the matter in the area into a lush oasis in the wastes, that was just the advertising.

    Then Fallout 3 changed it, and I dislike the idea that this thing exists and hasn't been used all over the wasteland. Even if one one out of ten vautls survived to the fallout era, and only one in ten vaults had a GECK, with two GECKs per vault, there should be lush areas that slowly begin to spread and repair America just from idiots using the geck without realizing what it did (Like you can do in 3)

    It's not the technology part that bothers me. The Sierra Madre machines explicitly ARE replicators, it's more the...idea that Vault-tec was 100% telling the truth about what the GECK could do when them selling a miracle and it being something mundane was part of the dark humor of FO2.
     
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    The energy differential between irradiated area and working mechanical device is just absurd though. Either the mech has to sit in place for days to charge or its charging in an area with enough energy to flash ignite the air. There's no way a regular photovoltaic wouldn't generate at least as much if not geometrically more energy.

    Also, if the area is heavily irradiated enough to make a specially radiation based voltaic cell viable, then why not just make a breeder reactor ??

    That said fallout is a setting notorious for magic radiation.
     
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    Did I ever tell you that I don't have a Physics GCSE? My school just did Double Award Science, and one of my classmates used the power packs to elecrocute pencils. At set fire to gas taps.

    Last I heard he was in prison, which is probably for the best.
     
  28. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Went to college for electronics, had a guy in the class with me that was a bit ... odd.

    He'd try to solve math equations by trial and error rather then cross multiplying and solving for the variable. His 'try things randomly to see if it was right' methods extended to wiring too, when we did a relatively simple series of logic gates (the jeopardy button setup if you're curious) which should have taken a handful of TTL logic chips and 1 breadboard. His took 3 boards, was actually melting the plastic, and could alter the results by waving your hand over the thing....he didn't construct a logic map for the circuit, he just randomly wired shit until he got something he liked.

    But he had a Dream.....To build a (and I'm quoting here) 'Saw Chucker'

    A device to automatically target and hurl saw blades at things.....because he wanted to. Also he wanted it to explode when it ran out of things to throw.

    Needless to say he dropped the course before high voltages came in to the material, and transferred into travel and tourism.

    Last I heard from him he was trying to figure out if he could send unruly tourists to north korea.
     
  29. I_S

    I_S Getting sticky.

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    This is a supervillain origin story!


    Mr Zoat

    Nah this is a fallout side story in a super hero fanfic the bar for physics to realism is somewhere south of just shouting the word Atomic! Every other sentence.
     
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    He sounds like an...interesting individual.

    Yep, it really is.
     
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