With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

This guy.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Ah, you're right - that was the Renegade I was thinking of.

 

Thank you for the clarification. As suspected, some nobody.

 

For pun/theme purposes, I hope he ends up opposed to The Question.

If only for the thematic combo of The Riddler / The Question.

 

I'm pretty sure he's his own nemesis. The Riddler commits an elaborate crime, then leaves behind a riddle that gives away the next one.

 

Yeah, it's obsessive compulsive disorder...for a while he actually went legit and on medication for it...then he went off the deep end again

 

I wonder if it would be a decent use of Paul’s time to forge a few slapdash Orange rings for the upcoming assault. Apokalyptians always have ways of obstructing lanterns, so why not bring some extra charge? They don’t really need all of the standard AI features so long as he maintains charge on his primary ring. And this way he isn’t stealing Corps rings that could go to more efficient causes.

 

I am Captain Dumdum! I have barely no plans and I never come up with any riddles! BEWARE!

 

Sportsmaster is gonna find a way to acquire Qwa-matter now?

 

The Question.

 

Actually thinking about it, what is the Riddler's origin story? Just became an elaborate Gotham 'mastermind' because he wanted to, or bad OCD and chasing fame? I honestly don't know.

 

Smart kid, father insisted he must have cheated and beat him, led to the desire to prove how smart he is compared to others.

 

Does that mean Riddler's nemesis would be someone who's purposely dumb, like those who insist shark skin is smooth because of how it makes people frustrated? Of course, a nemesis has to be caused by Riddler's actions (does this make Jason Todd Two-Face's nemesis? It definitely makes Geoforce Bedlam's)

Ahaha, Crock being taken down in front of everyone. Well if his rep wasn't already hurt...

 

I guess they don't know quite how long it's going to take to be called into action, but I'd been envisioning it being a rather more rapid timeline than all this talk of rooms and meals implies. Theoretically the hunt for Bruno could take a long time, but in practice the Justified are on the move doing stuff to move plans forward, and some sort of intervention seems likely sooner rather than later. Well I suppose Task Force X had to be stashed somewhere, even if it ends up being only an hour or two.

Though in that context, Nygma should really be going up to Ops to brainstorm with Batman and study incoming information. His whole value is superior analytical ability and ability to see patterns and make deductions and that sort of thing. You know, solving riddles.

 

Best thing about this talk was that this whole conversation was before a large crowd of Supervillains. I kept half expecting hands being raised to ask Paul further questions on the subject of what makes a "Nemesis", and other tropes that pop up in their life that they never considered or noticed.

 

Ah, I get it.
It's because the classical superhero costumes are based off of circus outfits.
He's thinking to himself that the Justice League is the circus.

 

Panem et circus. Bread and circuses

 

No I understand that reference,
it's just that I'm not sure a criminal genius would find it amusing,
(The rest of the supervillains apparently didn't)
whereas he'd find an opportunity to silently insult the Justice League and feel as if his intellect was superior to the superhero he's speaking to for seeing something they missed quite amusing.

 

Communists

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I'm fairly confident - 80% - that Nate was an intelligence specialist/operative, not a pilot. I reread the Bates-Weisman run from the late 80s earlier this year, and the only thing they mention about Nate's service specifically was that he was on the ground and was in intelligence. I don't remember if that was changed for the Young Justice comics' adaptation of that story, but given that Weisman wrote it, I don't think it would be. It's a minor change, but I think it's something Eiling would be aware of.

That's how Eiling was able to pin the blame on Hill 409 on Nate - he was actually there, on the ground. He may have been trained as a pilot, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't a bomber, at least.

 

I haven't read that, so let's assume that he was on at least a few flights.

 

I like "Bat Man" Joker the best.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/21716713

Now on the story, Eh I got lost on this fanfic, no clue what is going on anymore.

 

Why? If OL is telling the truth, Qwa is something that he can got better from.
The current tally is OL: 1, Qwa Matter: 0

In the cheesy 90s(?) Batman Movies, a case could be made for Val Kilmer Batman being his Nemesis.

The Nygma there had mad scientist chops, and worked for Wayne.
Went to Bruce about his invention, and got blown off 'because it might be used for evil.'
Then his direct boss fired him for making a scene and going over his head.
And Nygma, now jobless and spurned, went off the deep end.

The kind of thing this story's OL thinks is just dumb.
When with kind of money Wayne had access to, and with Nygma having produced genuine high tech, the 'paying attention and not having his head up his ass' thing to do would have been to recognize that if you are worried about it being used for evul, that , 'yup, this here is some genuine super science going on' and the thing to do would be to keep the guy on, give him his own secure R&D lab, where he can invent to his hearts content, with a handler and some ethical oversight.

And could have done more than a 5 second evaluation on if the technology (or derived parts of the technology) could be exploited morally and safely. And that if you do want to bury the tech, you are wealthy enough to buy off the inventor with a cushy job and title so he isn't out in the wind doing whatever.

 

If we're at the Tower of Fate (I think that's where we are right now but I'm not 100% certain?) I hope we see interactions with Construct-Lantern Demon Nabu. His and Paul's banter is, no joke, one of my favorites in the entire story. Maybe cause it's rare we see a Construct-Lantern snark back at him.

 

Overly pretentious and hypocritical. His "heroic" plan involves mind controlling every other gotham rogue by FEEDING THEM CLAYFACE while keeping the mindjacked's shapeshifter's brain handy to use like a remote control for the others- said plan gets hijacked by Harley 2.0

I couldn't get through the whole story but it just struck me as an official version of one of those fanfics that try to go "realistic" when they really just end up bashing things the author doesn't like.

I enjoy stories where the consequences are explored- villians not having the world bend over to help them, heroes having to be smarter or have things go wrong-but White Knight rewrote everyone's backstory to make the Joker a good guy- ie I remember them saying he never actually killed anybody- while keeping Batman just as driven as if Joker did all the worst things he did in the comics, and make gotham even worse, and Bruce Wayne dumb by having a plot whereby the city's rich took advantage of some government program or building prices or something, that let them profit off of supervillian schemes, and divert funds from the poor. Then they pull out that pile of human rights violations of a plan, which Joker and Harley are fine with but don't tell the cops or sidekicks because they are still supervillians but just have good publicity now.

So yeah, the concept of Joker suddenly going sane is interesting, but then it turns into another supervilian plot but with constant retcons to established Batman lore to make the heroes look bad and try and make the Joker look good, while he still does horrible things that he doesn't seem to register as the horrors they are.

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On to THIS story, I love the bit with the Kobra members, I don't remember that bit about their cult's Hindu roots but Its nice to have a look at the logic behind their actions.

The nemesis talk was great, and overall i like how this hail mary of a recruitment drive will provide opportunities for interacting with all these people that Paul wouldn't, the rehab program was progressing and noone involved was enough of a heavy hitter for him to keep an eye on- We could have gone the whole story without seeing these people with how Paul has things going on in Space and in high level adventures.

I think you are mixing up timelines again, Renegade made Nabu a construct, Paul fought him with Constantine and others and he went' poof, and Costantine got his order mojo, and Klarion's chaos mojo.

I hope we see more of Constantine in this arc though.

 

I strongly suspect that we will, the question is more how soon.

 

There was Nabu, Lord of Offal from Earth-666. He melted the faces off of people when he was removed. Paul turned him into a construct and off screen managed to remove him from his host.

 

Not Paul’s fault this time! I think?