With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

For non science lovers, Hubble found evidence of 100 billion galaxies.

Scientists estimate that the total number is more along the lines of 2 trillion galaxies.

So 7 is a rather low number in comparison.

 

Some of his tattoos are actually brands. And seeing as his tattoos feed energies into his soul… I wonder if such a thing could be applied offensively in order to pierce through the defenses of anyone antilife-resistant. Imagine that, simply using a heated brand to make Highfather devoted to Darkseid with one strike.

I‘m emphasizing the brands because applying tattoos mid battle is impractical.

 

Zoat gave New Gods healing factors, so a brand would be temporary.

He's seemingly tied healing rate with power level, so I doubt a brand on High Father would last long at all.

Now the schmucks that Catwoman could beat up, that would be another matter.

 

The one good thing is that Paul determined that his clones don't need to have any of his memories encoded into their brains (the fear that the Reach would get a hold of his memories that way).

 

Can they call New Genisis for help? Is communication with them not possible or is there some kind of treaty bullshit that prevents them from helping Earth.

 

Depends. Is she a Nu52 character?

Technically, he didn't destroy it. He just vanished most of the energy that would have gone into forming it.

 

More than that. Hellblazer established that wounds made to the soul eventually heal. That's why John couldn't keep control of the Fuckpig. The SI got around that by starting without a soul, but his tattoos wouldn't be anything like as effective on anyone else.

You know how in Victoria 3 anyone can join in any way anywhere with no logistical problems at all? Earth would like to avoid that.

 

Ok. One, that is either very very small, or very, very wrong. Like Carl Sagan rolling in his grave wrong.


And also, something I haven't heard you mention before now in the story.
And seem to contradict the many, many "Guardians of the Galaxy" jabs OL made at the bobbleheads at the beginning of the story. Because if there are two trillion galaxies in the universe, policing one and parts of a couple others is a joke. If there are only seven, then that is both a large proportional amount of coverage, and possibly the largest coverage area of anyone. Which would make the "Guardians of the Universe" title much more legitimate, on account of there being no one with a better claim (larger coverage area)

So, maybe either change that number there, or edit out the old jokes that suddenly became much less valid.

 

word of zoat says it's Krona's fault from the crisis of infinite pauls:

So yeah, thanks to Krona, the Big Bang was sapped of 99.9999999% of it's energy, leaving only enough for 7 full galaxies to form, and countless rogue stars wandering the dark space between galaxies and the extra galactic voids, or rather now one singular Universal Void.

Yes, this does means the edge of the observable universe is a great deal closer than it should be, meaning the Source Wall is also closer than it should be.

 

good story

 

I don't think the small number of galaxies is the weirdest thing in a DC universe.

But they're still not guardiang the entire universe, just one galaxy and some parts of some others, so their title isn't accurate.

 

Yeah, that is what is called in comics a badly done recon.

You see, the universe only having seven galaxies is something that would be really, really easy to notice by astronomers on Earth.
Even easier if you have a magic lantern ring and can gallivant around space and shit.

That specific detail somehow never came up before now, even with Krona fucking up the universe was mentioned, or when he was shit talking the Guardians and doing casual info drops of secret classified info to Granny Controller, that the universe he came from didn't have Malthusans fucking up the universe, and was several billion times bigger.

It comes of as something he decided recently to have 'always been' that way. But actually fit well with the actual story as written for the past several years, where the size may have never have been mentioned explicitly, but OL very much seemed to be acting like it was as large as the one he came from was assumed to be.

Thus, it is a fucking pointlessly bad and unnecessary retcon.
That Zoat could have just not used, on account of not using it for the past how many years.
Something that should have either been part of the story from the beginning, or ignored.
Not retroactively added now, like some hack author.

 

I mean this with no offense, but it seems a bit silly to get your immersion broken by WTR-verse being a microcosm of a real universe in spatial size when it already is much smaller than it should dimensionally, no? At least many character motivations start to look a lot less silly when you think their universe is a trillion times smaller than ours.

 

#Bramble Thorn

The nature of major temporal alterations is that they are retroactively “has always been that way” from the perspective of those within the loop, so there wouldn’t be anything to notice. Until it became relevant to a discussion that we the readers are privy to, it would be general background knowledge for those within the setting.

More than that, the total size of the universe is generally deeply irrelevant information, so it wouldn’t organically come up in conversation. Even with the current dramatically smaller universe size, the galactic scale is still so mind bogglingly enormous that within practicality it doesn’t alter prior story events (our universe alone has 100-400 billion stars). Everything the Maltusians have ever done of any story relevance has been local (on the intergalactic scale) .

As an aside, the Renegade story could still have a full size universe since it didn’t take part in the crisis event.

 

Well I think it's a tad weird myself, but honestly DC universes do have different universes than our own.

Our universe is infinite.

A definitive center requires a finite shape. An infinite shape is either all center or no center, depending on one's point of view.

Yet in DC Oa is in the center and the DC universes have Source Walls, definitive edges of the universe.

Now on the Doylist level I blame the writers sleeping through high school science or being drunk and/or high, but on the Watsonian level DC universes are smaller than ours.

 

Just to be clear, Krona wrecking the infant universe happened way before he encountered the SI. It's the reason why he was banished in the first place.

 

That should say 'animate'.

Depending on who's saying this, this could be very bad. And I'm assuming that this is what Black Orchid is for. Apokolips would have known about a country that is deeply connected to the Green and could probably resist regular Anti-Life infection existed on Earth, so they wanted her, and possibly others, to act as an infection point through which the Anti-Life could spread.

 

So when Renegade was talking about "galactic cluster", he was meaning the Milky Way and a couple of dwarf galaxies near it, not the Local Group as we would understand it?

 

Huh. Anti-Lifed but still cogent?

Also, the Green, Red and Grey are bascially the very opposite of Anti-Life. If anything, shouldn't Euanthe, Swampthing and the rest be safer than most?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the experiment is to find ways to have the Anti-Life control all of the forces of nature just as easily as it controls regular sapients. After all, even the Maltusians, for all their power, can't claim to be immune to it.

 

So the clones are still functional. Not great. Not that anyone knows why they took them. One more mystery to set aside in the fight to survive this whole situation. And every minute spent worrying is one OL can't afford...

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Since a normal human body would have an imprint of its mind and soul etched into the flesh. With traces of that soul still lingering. That's how Necromancy allows contact via a fragment of said body, I expect.

So, for all intents and purposes, all they have is a trio of not-quite-corpses that look like OL.

Since there's no 'software' installed in the brain to maintain the autonomous systems, basically.

Yeah, I can see wanting to be morally and ethically proper about the whole process.

Not that you'd need spare parts in that sense, what with your Ring's self-repair capabilities...

I bet the space pirates didn't, once Alan was done.

There's an amusing image: a trio of OLs, staggering about like cinematic zombies, complete with brainless groaning.

And that's dismissing cultures that can literally print organs out of raw materials, though I suspect there's more chance of mishaps with that.

...Old Krypton was all kinds of weird. And not just in their technological ethics... Look at that fashion! The front guy in red there is basically wearing a thong.

...And it's just a little disturbing that you know that. No doubt cribbed from the desires of that Yellow Lantern Spider-guilder you fed a leg to...

Yeah, OL's space adventures are... Decidedly on the weirder side.

That's not really the kind of Humanitarian we want people being, OL...

Oh, yes. That's rather a concern, given that the two of them are probably very strong in the Green. I bet the actual Parliament doesn't give a damn about the meat's issues, though. So Swamp Thing showing up is unlikely unless his wife and daughter are hurt.

I mean, what did come of that whole 'infuse Earth's plants with divine energy' plan? Surely that would offer some protection to them...

Yeah, if Euanthe is in full defensive posture right now, things would be bad. And she may well be having flashbacks to the imprisonment thing...

Ugh. And who knows who's plugged into those ones? Assuming that the Hub City site was a typical loadout.

It would be a typical super-villain plot, putting all their eggs in one basket with no backups. Sadly, I suspect the Dark Side's masters are smarter than that.

And honestly, that little pep talk is just what OL needed, even if he doesn't realise it.

I suppose that's one beneficial thing to come out of the whole South America thing...

...Oh, boy. That's not great.

So, things are... Stable in a strange way down south, it seems? Let's hope that Euanthe's non-human nature makes Anti-Life less effective upon her than it should be. Hopefully, the Accala tribes have avoided the kind of violence hitting other parts of the world. Between their increased durability and cultural differences, they'd probably hold up better...

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On the topic of the Small Universe: Remember, those same changes to the nature of the universe allow it to have multiple simultaneous timelines (Including Mandated and OL-Paragon at least, if not other Earth-16 variants like Tangseid or the demon-eating Sybarite) which no doubt requires vast amounts of energy. DC Cosmology is weird any way you look at it.

Meanwhile, Galaxies, despite what comic-book writers often think, are much, much larger than you understand. The Milky Way is almost 90,000 Light years across, and houses millions of stars. If even a tenth of them are home to advanced cultures, that's a lot of places to police, conquer or just adventure in...

 

Okay, I have to ask, is Hades currently without its King, still? Or did that get resolved?

 

Yeah, you don't want every tree to suddenly start making toxic air.

Maybe "December"

 

Superman's weird underpants over pants now seem perfectly sensible and not at all weird.

We know that Zauriel isn't immune, so it may not give them that much resistance.

Paul did say that people that had to live with despair were handling the Equation a little better, and the Accala could have potentially been dealing with it.

Sadly, their strength may protect them, but they're surrounded by people that lack it, so those people are surrounded by super strong threats.

 

I'm... not sure what "you've have" is supposed to mean, but it doesn't look right.

 

For the record, our universe is very big but finite.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I'd need a link to his statement to check, but it's quite possible that he hasn't actually looked into the matter.

Erebos's king has reduced his workload while he tried to court Persephone.

Thank you, corrected.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Us Zeus still inherently immune to Antilife by virtue of being so into himself that it's impossible?

Or is he still partially Olympian?

 

Well, my main disappointment with the smaller galaxies is that there aren't 16.

Euthane and the Green may be resistant, but I don't think that's the same as immune.

And ooo, I think Alan is onto the idea of broadcasting the Life equation, deriving it from the anti-Life.