With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

No, originally all of them -including Diana- were only as strong as normal humans with excellent training. I've made them stronger than they were in the Golden Age. The invisible plane? She had that because she couldn't fly.

 

While you won't see this, I'm still going to say it for the benefit of the rest of the thread, that's wrong.

This is literally from the very first Wonder Woman comic.

 

I just want to point out that Paul. when he's just done with a day. is a real treat to read.

 

Agreed.
Him changing gender to empathise with the cannibals is kind of jarring. If he was doing it to troll them would be more in character.

 

I thought he was doing it to troll them. At the end he basically razzes their leader. If not trolling its just so he can take the trial.

 

cool. did you just have the comic lying around? how did you find the picture

 

Please don’t ask “did you break the law? Please admit it on this website for archiving messages.”

 

People are forgetting that the Illustres has been trying to change his kill-happy attittude for a while. He does it, and is not conflicted by it, but when confronted bt the heroes on Earth that he likes and respects he gets bothered by the fact that he doesn't get bothered with casual slaughter of his enemies. So he has been trying to "do better", or at least that's how I interpreted it.

I also wish that sometimes he would be more "Annihilation Beam"-prone with certain enemies/factions. But if the Illustres wants to be a better person, why not? Being fine with hitting the genocide button is not necessarily a nice trait. And if at the end he can still win, why is it a problem that it took longer and he had to be more clever than needed?

I personally would already have a couple legions of Construct Lanterns, for example, with how much I like the technique and dislike some individuals. But that would make me a bad person, not a good hero.

 

It may not be a description directly attested to in any major DC media, but it is at least in line with the rest of the setting -- it's fairly consistent through this entire fic that he's portraying Earth-16 as a lower-powered setting in accordance with Young Justice. YJ didn't really have much to demonstrate superpower-level strength and fitness for Amazons other than Wonder Woman, who is exceptional.

 

Wonder Woman's original gimmick was that she did in fact have super strength and the like, but her powers would be suppressed to the point she was as weak as an ordinary woman if a man tied her up. This was apparently "Aphrodite's law".

All the Amazons had some level of enhanced physical abilities, Diana was just the strongest among them. And they all had that weakness to being bound by a man. Specifically, an Amazon's arms had to be bound so that their "bracelets of submission" were touching.

Because the creator of Wonder Woman was super into bondage. Hell, the early Amazons solved a lot of their problems through bondage. They had a whole thing about using S&M to redeem female villains.

 

He's not emphasizing with them. At all. He's trolling them.

'You can't challenge us as a man. Only a woman can challenge us.'

'Power rings are awesome. Done. Fight me.'

'Wait that's illegal.'

 

No, he's trying to delay them until Athyns finishes the ritual. They've brought one big ship. He doesn't know how many more they have or might bring in if they decide that diplomacy has failed. He also knows that while he'd probably 'win' the fight he wouldn't be able to stop a sufficiently big fleet destroying Minosyss.

 

I appreciate Paul is giving these nut jobs more respect than they really deserve.

 

Buy her some dinner first, you savage.

Well they're not stupid for this moment.

The rest...

You gotta kill the mooks before the boss fight.

I see they know about the murder machine and they're afraid of her.

They might not be able to make full use of it.

Yep.

Could be both.

 

By trolling them though.

 

You mean he doesn't intend to kill them all in single combat?

 

Ah, DC Artists will steal borrow inspiration from anything, given half a chance. Just consider the sheer variety of Lanterns during the War of Light storylines, and how many of them were lawyer-friendly cameos...

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And now that you've scanned them, said shields are now irrelevant. Clever. You'd think these people don't know what Lanterns are capable of. Or, more likely, they don't care.

Ah, a relatively nice greeting from them, then. If they were in a bad mood, they'd probably be shooting you already.

And that means very little to shapeshifters and Orange Power Ring users. And given the latter, you can easily be the former.

What, you asking OL to provide a gynaecological history?

Or you can simply rip them out of their armour, given a couple of seconds of precise shooting. Depends on how strong a lesson you want to teach them.

I mean, there have already been some subtle signs. Apparently you make a mean woman.

Oi, leave off! Kind of rude, you know.

No doubt they want you going into this stuff as disadvantaged as they can make you be.

Heh. So apparently using the good stuff is cheating? Tough luck for them.

Or in this case, the queen. Let's hope you get to go all Abridged!Seras on them.

Hopefully she's one of the smart leaders. Someone OL can use once they finish this fight...

Well, it wasn't like they could steal it, after all. Not until you're dead, anyway.

Sadly, I doubt you get to bypass the pecking order. Them's the rules of a Boss Rush.

...Suggestion: Do not let her live, whatever happens. The mad dog needs to be put down sooner or later.

Aw. You could have given them the classic 'Fuck you, that's how.'

"Oh, you think I give a shit about you not liking me?"

We'll see who ends up dying. OL's had practice at it, after all. And they're very good at avoiding it.

...And now I'm picturing something involving a spoon. Not that she'll be getting that chance.

Pleasant. Fem-OL is definitely not a nice lady. Though given the audience, this probably counts as being polite to them.

Ah. He has that little concern for you, then.

Ironically, as a daughter of Ares, she probably would improve their capabilities if she did so...

Does she use a rapier and musket?

On the other hand, anyone tough enough to rise to that level is probably hardcore anyway.

I can hear the sarcasm dripping off your voice, OL...

Let's hope there's no-one important between you and your opponent. This is about to get messy, methinks.

Well, it's not like many, if any, of the general Citizenry were named during their story, for one.

I don't picture a lot of these fights taking long.

Well, then. I wonder if OL-chan is just naturally bitchy, or if she's trolling the Citizenry. It's not like they deserve the polite treatment anyway. On the other hand, I hope OL understands what they're getting into, because if this is a Boss Rush, then the difficulty will ramp up fast. At least the Citizenry are about to get an education about what Lanterns can do...

 

I think they try to avoid them because they can actually be a threat to them.

True, but while he's biologically a woman, mentally he's still a man.

Though I doubt the Citizenry are progressive enough to accept transgender people.

He's going to show them his red rage.

I think they'd consider it polite if you surrendered to them.

If you opposed them in any way then you're being very rude.

Given that it's Paul, it's both him being bitchy and being a troll.

 

"Prove you're a woman."
"Ring, transmute a 1976 Toyota Hilux."
Compliance.
"I'm going to try parallel parking. If you become convinced that I'm a woman before your ship is destroyed, the survivors may fight me."

 

Zoat, in the Golden Age, that "excellent training" was Charles Atas Superpowers that included superhuman speed and strength.

In All Star Comics 8, her first appearance, she's described as being 100 times stronger and agile as the best male athlete in the world.

In Sensation comics, started a year later in 1942 written by her creator Marston, she's written as having to be reminded more than once that non Amazons don't have superpowers.

She knocks someone out with one punch, the strength shown in that series enough to break metal like paper mache, it's "Oh yes, have to remember these people are more fragile than an Amazon." She has to save Steve Trevor "Why didn't you just jump like I did?" "Because I'm not a kangaroo!" She expected a woman to be able to overtake a boat going 30 mph and when corrected it's "Okay, grab my waist and don't let go."

Sadly I can't find the picture right now despite looking for it, but it was a plot point that the Amazons started training outside women the Amazon powers so like there's a girl lifting a boulder.

 

We always forget that Paragon has a body count in the Billions. These mooks are not on his level.

 

Actually the citizenry as an organization almost certainly has a much much higher body count (hundreds of billions or low trillions in their total existence) as they supply Grayven with food for his troops by converting civilizations that are trapped on their planet (explained as a lack of chemicals to industrialize beyond coal) into biomass by killing almost all of them (minus a few notable females) something they did long before they joined Grayven at a slower pace (as they only had to feed themselves).

Individually Paul has a body count in the millions at the low end and hundreds of millions in the extreme high end.

 

I don't think it was mentioned if they supplied Grayven and his troops with food.

The Citadelians at first and then the time he bombarded that Spider Guild planet.

 

Vaermina, why are you like this?

 

They convert the snakes biomass into food, the charitable interpretation is that they are at least supplying Grayven and his troops with food because otherwise they ended three and a half entire civilizations in a few months (and the biosphere of the planets they were in) to only supply themselves.

You are missing quite a few, the Citadel Starbase, fleets and cloning facilities account for at least a few million, then he did a lot of work to end the eye gouging nation that was the primary hegemon super power of their planet and Paul mentioned that involved killing a lot of people that were too set on their eye gouging "culture" to make an honest try at changing. There bunch of people he had as collateral when he recruited Ranx (he vented atmo), with the ortillery and other space fleet engagements his kill count gets even higher to the point the Shadows and other humans he has killed are a rounding error.

However, billions is still a stretch, his inaction and the cascade effects of his actions has killed billions, but not in a way that could be reasonably placed directly on his feet.


Edit

Speaking of Ranx. Mr Zoat are Ranx and mother of mercy going to be showing up to fight off the Reach fleets? Ranx is the command Starbase of Dox and one would think Mother of Mercy would make for a very good mobile supply base and field hospital for the troops.

 

Ranx probably won't, because he's content as a shipyard. Mother of Mercy is, and I'll try and give her some screen time.

 

That was a very quick and confusing fight. I think Paul should just accept that the only way for him to kill this enemy is to assimilate her.

 

Never underestimate the main man.

Weird that she'd know what modern art is, or that an alien species' version of modern art would be the same as human modern art.

Not that it's that difficult.

She doesn't want the competition.