With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jaya

Appearently t'au capability extends towards genetics. They can 're-code' people infected by genestealers

It's really cool to see Paul's adventures in 40k again. My favorite What-If series for sure

 

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Because creating a fake video is totally beyond propaganda departments in Warhammer 40k.

Hence why nobody has ever been able to use such an easy method to turn a Genestealers before.

Like most Tau propaganda that doesn't actually work and results in the planet getting eaten.

The way you can tell it was propaganda was the whole "using recombinant gene-recoding techniques all but unknown to the biologis adepts of the Adeptus Mechanicus" part.

 

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And no fighter craft or void-swimming creature is nearly as effective as a Lantern. I suppose this makes some of the most detailed footage of a late-phase Tyranid consumption than any Imperial could ever have recovered.

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Oh, nasty. Showing the cultist just what she'd face if a Hive Fleet turned up in her lifetime...

They never are. That's part of the tragedy of the Cults. They'll be down the gullets of the Fleet the same as everyone else. And they'll smile all the way down...

One of the frustrations Imperial worlds have to deal with during the onset of the invasion, of course. When chunks of their own forces, even Planetary Defense forces and Imperial Guard units, can reveal themselves to be undermined from within...

They're no gods. Gods in this universe are gibbering lunatics, skulking tricksters or ravening berserkers...

Because the term 'Hive Mind' is not hyperbole. All tyranids creatures have a connection to the whole. Those with a constant direct uplink to it direct those too insignificant to. Like a person moving a millions fingertips at once... It gives no more consideration to the safety or survival of a single termagent than you would a single cell of skin...

And until she reconnects with her 'family', this will stick with her. Sadly, their combined voice will probably undo her learning...

...Now there's an idea for a paint-scheme on a Cultist army...

Sadly, despite the name 'Kiss', it's anything but...

I figure it's more like a facehugger inserting a Xenomorph egg. Except in this case, it's more a spore filled with the retro-viral material it uses to alter people's minds and reproductive systems.

...At least this doesn't end with a chestburster ripping its way out of the host.

No doubt whatever organelles serve to link them to the Genestealer's hive-mind node take time to form.

All it takes is one impure hybrid slipping away on fleeing vessels to start the process all over again.

No doubt she's seen a few such implantations. Probably helped lure in victims in for the Kiss.

First Generation Hybrids are ugly little fuckers, mind. They'd have to be very careful about it...

Since seducing in fresh blood would be risky if they didn't have a purestrain to administer the indoctrination process.

Yeah, I doubt their mouths are particularly compatible with any kind of human speech.

...Ugh. Where's the gorram brain bleach...

And this is why they tend to become isolated, insular communites in underhives, mining colonies and the like.

Though a third generation Hybrid still tends to be a little bit gribbly. Brow-plates, patches of chitin in random places, hunch-backs... All those fun deformities caused by inbreeding.

Colour me unsurprised.

Since they tend to be lacking the important bits for it, of course.

Gene Simmons, eat your heart out?

And for any normal person, this would probably seem probing and inappropriate, but...

At this point? They learn all they can from you while alive, then a quick, painless death and further study after.

I suspect she's only responding the way she is because of the null-field cutting her off from her family members. One aspect of the Cult's mental connection is a reinforcement of their control, after all, and no doubt anyone wavering would be... Reconditioned or just killed. Such is the joy of being born into this shithole of a galaxy. It's not 'Grim Darkness' for nothing, after all...

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There's a major issue, with multiple copies of the BBcode for the 'Capillary towers' link splatted about the text, Mr Zoat. It turned all text afterwards into random links in the quote box...

Extraneous quotation mark, if the next line is him speaking... And speaking of that line: 'effect'.

It's longer and more cylindrical than a normal human tongue...

 

What is so hard to believe about the Tau having significantly greater scientific accomplishments than the Adeptus Mechanicus? I believe we see this in many cases for their weapons and transport technology. The Tau would also have a major advantage in understanding the Tyrannids as their scientific approach is perfectly capable of making new discoveries while the religious fetishism of the Adeptus Mechanicus means they can only draw on the past achievements of a civilization that would have never encountered a Tyrannid infestation.

It seems perfectly plausible for me that a civilization based on science and cooperation is able to find moral solutions to challenges that a civilization of fanatical fascists believe can only be solved through mass murder. It is not as if the Imperium would ever respond to a Genestealer presence with anything other than brute force and unrelenting hostility.

 

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And as for the placement of the injection, could just be to play up the ritualism of it.

I suppose that depends on what happens when they leave the null-zone. I don't know nearly enough about the Tyranids as to how complete their hive-mind is, so depending on such it might be that they would unfortunately have to be euthanized to prevent more direct involvement/targeting from the nearest splinter fleet.

 

Oh, no, it's perfectly believable that the Tau could manage to purge a genestealer corruption from somebody's genetics; the absolutely farcical bit is the idea that the f*cking HIVE MIND wouldn't notice by the time you de-infected the second city, never mind half the planet, and kick things off early.

 

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The Tau have displayed a shocking ability to bamboozle 'Nids in the past. The Farsight Enclaves managed to make a bioweapon that killed off an entire fleet,* and The Tyranids didn't notice they'd been eating it until all the ships and bioforms were wiped out. And The Enclaves are less advanced.

*Not a full Hive Fleet, obviously, but a splinter of one. The planet still ended up wrecked as well, so it was hardly anything other than a bittersweet victory.

 

Tau Weapon's and Vehicles are pieces of junk compared to their actual Imperium counterparts.

The Tau just don't go up against those counterparts, because almost every time the Tau have made themselves more then a minor annoyance and Imperium has tried to bring its actual forces to bear. A dues ex machine has shown up to save the Tau.

But to give a couple examples of how badly outmatched the Tau are technology wise. A single Culexis Assassin literally walked through every bit of Tau security on a planet to murder their most important leader. A handful of space marines wiped out an entire Tau planetary defense network. And that's not even getting to the Imperium burning an entire sector of Tau space with a single weapon.

The Tau are the biggest joke of Warhammer 40k. Because they don't actually realize they're a meaningless joke that only exists because nobody cares enough to wipe them out.

 

we need more of paul in warhammer and 40k. those verses need a lot of fixing.

 

That's not much of a feat.

The Imperium does the same thing, except more effectively and faster via their Virus Bombs.

He can't fix 40k.

Hell, he's actually made things worse because now the Tau are fully on the chopping block.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Fandoms would be much more pleasant without all those annoying fans.

I have to doubt this Paul's claims that the. Hive fleet isn't actually intelligent. Of course, I believe every hive fleet is something of a splinter and the actual mass of tyranid fleet hasn't even arrived into the galaxy, but my knowledge of WH40k is filthy and casual.

 

Games Workshop products would be much better without Games Workshop.

Do you remember how tyranids worked in Epic: Titan Legions? Any unit that wasn't given an order card by one of the local synapse creatures literally acted according to its instincts. If they all died you literally couldn't control your units. I believe the quote from the designer was 'you're just there to roll dice'.

 

is it a psychic ability? where does it say that in canon?

what would intergration mean exactly. how would one integrate, say, the kroot?

i dont think so. the mechanicus has losta lot of tech and the tau are more advanced in some areas. how would it result in the planet getting eaten if they change the dna of some of its inhabitants?

at which point they would fail without a hive fleet in orbit to provide support.

do you have a link to the appropriate page in the wiki?

can you provide links of these examples?

 

Paul in WH40k was also included in that cross over event where almost all Pauls meet eachother?

 

i think i heard some say that the imperium have a policy not to use virus bombs against tyranids, so that they dont learn to create their own.

 

Genestealer Hybrids. While not an actual power as such (thus my 'near-supernatural' comment), the fourth generation are described as having a 'hypnotic gaze'. I suspect for most, it manifests as merely a piercing, awkwardly-focused stare...
Though it's worth noting that a lot of the leadership roles in the cult come from this generation, including actual psykers and their tacticians and demagogues. Presumably, there are other specialists not seen on battlefields that focus on persuasion, seduction or outright hypnotism...

 

No, hypnotic gaze was a tyranid psychic power even in 2nd edition.

 

I’m not sure that I agree with Vaermina’s point, but the Mechanicus aren’t quite this bad. They do make innovative advances in technology, it’s just that they are much slower at it than T’au, so a lot of their technology comes from reverse-engineering of ancient technology. Also, Forge Worlds don’t always want to share their tech with each other. But there are still advances, especially in biological stuff because, as you say, it’s impossible for them to learn about something like tyranids from old science.

’or use a giant’?

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Yeah, “all but unknown” could easily mean “a couple biotech focused Forge Worlds figured it out but refuse to share with the greater Cult”

 

Ah, good old 1d4. It's a surprisingly useful way to learn about a lot of nerd stuff while being pretty entertaining.

I must say I was a bit sceptical when this Paul joined the greater good but it's slowly won me over. Still not my top three places to be born in 40K but it's slowly getting there.

 

No, the Tau actually aren't more advanced in any area.

It's just an illusion created by certain technology seeming more common due to the Tau's pitiful numbers compared to the Imperium's vast armies.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Second_Agrellan_Campaign

 

"[...]our enemy is so strong that they have never had to be clever"​

The Hive Mind doesn't adapt quickly to new attacks. New tricks work once. Usually only once, but they do work; the Hive has to reconfigure itself to counter it and it doesn't do that preemptively. Also, the Genestealers don't have full access to the adaptive biology of the Hive Fleet, nor, IIRC, to the full processing power of the Hive Mind.

 

The wiki also says that the re-coding process is taking place before the infected have been activated by a signal from the Tyranid Hive Mind. The infection was detected as a result of routine genetic screenings and not as a result of obvious mutations. This means the psychic sensory organs that would allow for coordinated Genestealer action or communication with the main Tyrannid Fleet could not have yet developed. The Tau are dealing with a relatively mundane genetic disease that spreads according to the normal principles of epidemiology and not a psychically connected conspiracy of infected monsters and brainwashed cultists actively working to foil containment.

How does this demonstrate that the Tau would be less equipped to develop new technology and disease response than the Imperium? This campaign makes it seem as if the average technology level of the Tau far exceeds that of the Imperium given that they are described as only losing when the Imperium has a vast advantage in force size or are executing a particularly clever stratagem. If anything it seems to point to significant Tau superiority as they ultimately forced a far larger Imperium force to withdraw.

I think you are also misinterpreting what happened at the end of the campaign. I read it as the Imperium suffering a near-total defeat but ensuring that the Tau could only achieve a Pyrhic victory by using a Exterminatus weapons to destroy the planet (a former Imperium planet previously conquered by the Tau) they were fighting over. This was a disaster for the Tau as it prevented them from using it as a core component in their supply line for the Third Sphere of Expansion. There is absolutely no indication that the Mechanicus had some kind of superweapon capable of destroying an entire sector.