With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I think that what's making the WH40k story compelling at the moment is that Paul isn't really a big gun narrative wise.

The problems and situations he deals with are personal and meaningful to him vs the heavy tones of carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders in the main storyline.

 

The Votann were a Golden Age mining expedition.

So the actual Golden Age tech is probably a good bit higher then even that.

Because that's not a natural power of Power Rings.

And no, Power Ring's aren't better then base Warp Sorcery.

 

Seeing people's desires was an ability that main story Paul acquired long before enlightenment. Relatively early on iirc. Why are you sure 40k P'ol doesn't have it yet?

 

Replying to Vearmina.

You... haven't actually read this story even once, have you? Because it's either that or you've conveniently missed the people pointing out that in this AU fanfiction, where "canon" only matters when and if the author of the text says it does, that very much is a natural ability of Power Rings.

They absolutely are. There is nothing The Warp is capable of that a Power Ring can't also do, usually to a much higher level of power and precision than any Psyker or Warp Echo out there. The only "advantage" The Warp has over The Glow and its associated technologies is that Chaos has a fucking aneurism any time someone tries to research it, making progressing that field of knowledge exceptionally difficult.

Power Rings have allowed teleportation, time travel, universe hoping, and more all while providing a sufficiently adept user with the power to annihilate galaxies and fight gods that make even the most fanwank-y interpretations of The Four seem quaint in comparison.

Of course that power scale hardly matters in WTR since Zoat doesn't seem particularly inclined to allow the setting to get that strong, a move I can whole heartedly applaud because power scaling is for nerds, so Chaos is a galactic threat that can't tell what its own hands are doing most of the time at best, and Power Rings are far more reasonable than whatever the hell the comics are doing.

 

He says ‘either’, but then as far as I can tell he never says more than one option.

What, P’ol doesn’t want to learn Gothic? Come ooonnn.

I think it’s up to interpretation. Both sides have pretty incredible technological feats. I don’t see much point in making a distinction between physical and psychic tech, but even if we are then the dark elder have some really impressive purely physical tech, which is especially impressive because they can’t even use the most advanced eldar tech due to it all being psychic.

I’m pretty sure he had to use that technique every time, I don’t think he had any passive ability to detect desires before enlightenment. Also that technique made his eyes glow I think, so if he told the tau about the ability then they might tell him not to use it on their leaders. Kind of a security risk, after all.

 

Using the Warp to do power ring like stuff tends to ge extremely dangerous for the user. Heck the Warp is extremely dangerous.

My solution for fixing the darn 40k setting is a retrovirus that makes everyone a blank.

That means goodbye Warp fuckery.

 

I love the 40k bits, seeing Paul help the Tau and navigate the empire is so cool. I do wonder if Paul will ever learn to make more rings

 

I'd have to reread Fire Warrior to know for certain, but I think Aun'Va may have been the one to impliment the 'do not recruit' policy.

As far as I remember, it was a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh leading some Chaos Space Marines. They thought that it was Slaanesh.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Why would he want to learn High Gothic? He'd get more mileage out of learning Tau Standard, even if he can't do the scents.

It would also block everyone who wasn't a necron or the SI from faster than light travel and cause thousands of worlds to starve to death. Which is why the necron ending to Battlefleet Gothic 2 is actually really bad.

 

Can't new rings be created from the assimilated? I remember Larfleeze having done that with a bunch of the people that were drawn to him and even did it to one of the Guardians, but I don't actually remember Paul ever doing something like that himself. Is it something that requires an ungodly amount of desire to do maybe? Something that Larfleeze had, but Paul lacks?

 

That required summoning the eyes of the ophidean and making his eyes vividly glow orange, it's not something he can do without the other party noticing unless he is a fair distance away and hidden.

Something he cannot do during this meeting.

I hope Paul has given his superiors the heads up that the Ring feeds and powers itself from the warp and that will make then be wary of just giving the ring to someone else after killing Paul, because otherwise he isn't keeping his nominal allies on the loop.

 

That's just your headcanon. Besides a few instances in books that show that humanity and the Iron Men has some radical weaponry there is no real indication on what the peak of the Golden Age was. It is also possible that the league of votann was humanities very early or perhaps even very late attempt at colonizing the core with reliable and less complex tech. Complex machines are harder on maintenance and production, so sometimes the low tech solution is best. The galactic core is a very hazardous place after all.

There is also no source on what Elder civilization was like either. Keep in mind, they were around for MILLIONS OF YEARS before humanity. The craft worlds are the amish hicks of that civilization.

 

Paul can do that, but doesn't because he already has Controllers making rings that won't cause users to hear the voices and/or see the memories of the Construct-Lantern used to make the ring.

 

If enough planets aren't self sufficient when it comes to food the setting is already fucked up beyond salvation without the Warp fuckery. All it would take is a big enough conflict and thousands of worlds would starve to death anyway.

Think of it like the Common Cold, in old times many died ,up to about 50% or more of the human population but nowadays the virus went trom extremely lethal to mostly survivable. The worlds that survive would be free of Warp fuckery and without Psyckers or whatever is called all those Warp beings would die off.

Plus the Blank retrovirus would also severely neuter Orks ability to bullshit reality.

Also the survivors would eventually develop some non Warp method of FTL travel anyway.

Edit: Lead poisoning may have killed the Roman Empire,;The Warp is way worse.

 

Hive Worlds have to import food. What you just described would kill most of the Imperium's industry, including the bit keeping the Emperor functioning. And yes, attacking Agri Worlds is a known way to weaken Hive Worlds.

But not the material physics fuckery of the necrons, who now rule everything.

The one upside. Ork spores need a waaagh field to work. Without one all orks will die off.

No, because that's really hard. And because the necrons have killed them.

 

Though it may be possible for the individual to merge these two together so that they see themselves acquiring things as serving the Greater Good.

Ohoh, yeah.

The Reasonable Meri es approve of his methods.

You're asking Vaermina for a source about their opinion and You're using reason?

These things do not compute with Vaermina.

Judging by 99% of their posts, I'd say that's pretty likely.

Plus using the Warp runs a big risk of getting your soul raped, so aside from rings being at least as powerful, they're also a lot more safer.

I think he did it once, but I'm not completely sure.

Maybe it was the Renegade.

 

That may have been why Paul was interested in their genetic records.

Perfectly reasonable idea.

Which is why the Imperium will never implement it.

Though their alien subjects are another matter.

I mentioned a while back a strange Warp entity that helped a Tau ship, which may have been an embodiment of the Greater Good.

 

I will wait patiently while you dig up any instance of a Power Ring directly effecting 1300+ Solar systems at once.

 

if memory serves, I think in the death battle episode where ben 10 fights Hal Jordan they talk about the squirrel green lantern surviving reality being rewritten or maybe it was kilowog? they specifically describe him surviving the universe getting retconned, with a comic panel for reference and everything.

 

Thanks, now I hate the setting even more.

Are you 100% sure the Blank retrovirus wouldn't affect thejr organic parts? Or they are 100% machine?

There is a lot of loss tech that didn't need warp to work that became lost due to the machine rebellion and Warp entities also without Warp using tech becomes like 1000% safer.

If the Necrons are too machine to be affected by the blank retrovirus then they probably can be affected by digital viruses and malware more so as they had a very long tie without anyone taking advantage of that weakness.

 

Either "a standardised test" or "standardised tests".

 

Ch'p and Ub'x both survived, but everyone they knew and loved had now always lived different lives.

 

Quite the opposite.

Most are. The rest are already pariahs.

That's... Not how I remember the timeline at the start of Inquisition War. I don't remember humans ever developing a form of non-warp faster than light. Older fluff had humans using some webway portals, but that's about it.

Not really. Necrons don't network, and there's no one more advanced than them who could create it.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Well, for the advancement, the Void Dragon might be advanced enough, and he presumably doesn’t like the Necrons (unless you’re holding to the old lore of the Necrons still serving the C’tan?). But he isn’t any more friendly to humanity or other organics than the Necrons are.

 

Replying to Vearmina.

Mogo.

In the same continuity where the universe was confirmed to be 100 TRILLION light years across he light the entire thing up, an act that would require so much energy as to be physically impossible under real physics. If you could shove that much charge into anything it would be instantly obliterated, reality screaming bloody murder as local spacetime collapses into a black hole the size of a super cluster and instantly annihilating anything past that point for many hundreds of millions of light years from the sudden spike of energy.

The fact that this didn't happen is likely because the writer/s didn't understand the first thing about the physics involved in this, but from an in-universe perspective we're forced to assume that his ring was able to force the universe to not die instantly, which is arguably even more impressive, since thermodynamics still... mostly works.

 

What is it with people thinking I won't actually look up their claims...

Or maybe you just thought I wouldn't be able to find what you were obliquely referring too.

Well, anyways, I do know the exact books you're referring to. It's Green Lantern Corps: Edge of Oblivion chapters 1 and 2. And they took place not in the actual universe. But in the universe that came before. And well, they also just so happen to give us a nice picture of just how far the light reached. Mind you. I wouldn't put any real stock in things claimed in that book given we get them talking about how the universe is completely dark and dead of stars. Then the next page show us a star filled starscape.

 

Replying to Vearmina.

Even assuming you're telling the truth, and I don't care enough to bother checking, my point about total energy and the destructive destructive force of said energy stands. The omniscient narrator, or a Lantern who has real time visible light scans of the entire universe on hand, says it light up the entire universe, so it did, and the amount of energy required would boil galaxies away instantly from waste heat alone.

Of course just scaling against people like Darkseid is enough to prove any potential galaxy busting feats since New Gods are absurdly powerful from even their first appearance in DC's wider cosmology proper, with even the most fodder of fodder New Gods having hit with the equivalent force of many thousands of galaxies slamming into your face, something that would require a similar level of durability to accomplish without getting instantly atomized. Darkseid is factually much, much stronger than this and yet a sufficiently skilled Lantern is able to physically harm him.

Similarly The Specter, Trigon, and other high-end entities within DC's cosmology are able to be harmed, in however limited a fashion, by various Lanterns through out history. All of these people have enough raw power to casually annihilate universes, yet a Power Ring and a sufficient amount of their corresponding emotion is enough to put someone on a level where they can harm these beings.

 

The omniscient narrator didn't say that, Graf Toren did.

Also, I am perfectly willing to bring it to you.



Also no, that's not how New God's work. Not that it matters mind.

 

Replying to Vearmina.

First ever appearance of a New God in a Superman story. What's his name has appeared four or so times, one of which was a reprint and another he was dead, but he hit that hard according to, again, an omniscient narrator or Superman, a guy who would damn well know how hard he was hitting as a 6th level intellect at minimum who personally operates at levels even higher than that.

Also, if you're going to post an image use a spoiler. It makes it much easier to see all the text you write out and doesn't take up more space than the point you're failing to make.

Edit:What's his name is called Magnar. He's actually appeared in eight comics, but the point about one being a reprint and another having him just fucking dead still stands. He's about as much of a nobody as a named character can get and he still hits hard enough to realistically shatter a solar system in one punch.

 

Sorry if I’m just repeating myself or am annoying but what ever happened to Xalitan Xor?