With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Imagine what a fucking task this would be to upload to FFnet, or AO3, a chapter an episode.

 

Ha! Honestly, man needs to relax a little. But he is right, the Renegade is working with a very shaky logical premise with this plan. There's still no guarantee that this will pay off even if he does get the needed rings together...

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I don't see little Hal being such a crybaby...

...Huh. '...' Indeed.

Why not just project a construct of them? It's not like he has a fear of horses...

And Guy isn't an Honour Guard here, just a Sector Lantern (If I remember correctly.) There are naturally things he's not cleared to access that Hal might be.

It's something entirely in character for the Guardians, yes.

Yeah, you're going to have to less vague about timing, Renegade.

...Did you bother to try to learn about him at all?

Though, to be fair, when they met, he was already dying. Not exactly a good time to share life stories.

Best to stop trying to be all mysterious and spookily godlike, Renegade. He ain't buying it.

...You met him for like five minutes. Even if you read his case files, how much do you really know about him?

Honestly, Renegade, you will have to come clean about your real origins sooner or later to someone...

You're going to have to tell him about Indigo Rings, at least. Even if it has to be 'off the record'...

Blame their language being loaded with horsey wordswaps...

He's just telling you what he thinks you need to know, Hal. And he knows that anything he tells you will probably end up in the Guardian's ears somehow.

Look, the sooner you stop interrupting, the sooner this whole discussion can be over.

It's context. It helps you understand the locals' logical processes.

No, no, Filly is a child or teenager. Luna is a mature adult lady, thank you.

Ah, not counting the thousand years sealed away? Logical enough. I doubt she wants to feel that mature.

And being in her good books is a plus if your intentions towards Luna are serious.

I'm not sure Hal really understands what that depth of experience means, but at least he's not dismissing it.

At least she merely limits herself to a prank now and again. Imagine if she was something like Molestia or Trollestia.

And now we descend into the really crazy aspects of Wilson life...

Gifts courtesy of Pinkie Pie, of course! And honestly, Hal, you could probably use the break.

An interesting name for Indigo-1. ...I assume that's who this is.

I mean, it's either a name she earned through deeds, or she gave it to herself to sound more bad-ass. Either option tells you something about her.

Ah, he deleted the logs. Dangit.

An interesting way to try to get around the Ring VI's restrictions, but I doubt the Guardians would have left a loophole like that...

...Doesn't look like my jam either.

At least it can't be that far away. Nok's traditionally located in the same sector as Earth...

So, tracking where he went by where he was not, eh? Fortunately, Sector 2814 is not so large in this universe as it is in the main continuity. I mean, there's still thousands of possible planets to check, but if they can narrow down the possibilities... With a Boom Tube, they could easily flit about poking their head out and scanning for Compassion.

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"Lantern Sur was with the Corps for a long time.

A thousand years without anyone she can really consider an equal.

 

AO3 is a lot better than FFn for stuff like that. Especially since the latter refuses to update the UI it's been using for 20 years or so.

 

I've had to redo the Story Only thread twice, so I know only too well.

Thank you, corrected.

 

this is how people are getting around the restrictions on chatGPT. You would think AIs built by advanced civilizations would be better, so as not to allow the same flaws

 

Maybe comprehensively avoiding such workarounds would require the AI to either be sapient (which is unacceptable because the Guardians don’t want to use slaves/get caught using slaves), or be far less helpful in general (which is unacceptable because they want the ring AI to actually do a good job).
Those are just my guesses though, I’m far from an expert in the subject.

 

Sounds like a correct reaction to a renegade suggestion or request.

I hope his sector lacks any equine sapient, since the last thing the universe needs is another racist cop.

Not necessarily.

They have a dangerous profession, so they might be killed.

And there's also Captain Comet.

Granted I'm not sure if he can extend his life to that point.

Ah, renegade.

Annoying people into compliance.

 

He may have, but his files probably only contained records of his service rather than personal life.

And given that he seemingly didn't have all that much of a relationship with his son it's possible that he never brought up his family all that often in conversation, so even Lanterns that were his friends may not have been fully aware.

I think he told Artemis after he and Actually Grayven did their little fusion dance.

 

Well I guess they are, because the attempt to get around the ring's restrictions didn't work.

 

It sounds more like they've got the exact same issues the old chatbots had, where the internet trained the bot to say sketchy shit and then the internet goes and gets his buddy and goes 'see, see, look, the AI's really are out to get us!' after he's trained it to parrot his own sketchy shit.

I'd hope bobblehead malware or not the Guardians made their Ring AI's either dumb enough they don't try to talk to you like that without you desiring it, or smart enough to not be susceptible to the easiest loophole like that.

 

Hey Mr Zoat, quick question about an older episode.
If the fact that Jade and Obsidian where JSI Alan's kids is a secret (or at the very least not common knowledge) like it's implied here:

then why does he have a picture of them with Molly (his new wife):

Did he adopt them or something (and people were saying he cuck'd Molly and brought his kid home)?

Or is it something like if Superman had a picture of Kid Flash and Robin in his office on the watchtower from that one time they came to visit him in Metropolis and Lois Lane just so happened to be there to report on them.
In other words just a photo with some junior heros... and also his wife... that he just happened to have in his office... in a prominent location...

Or is it something of a common knowledge among the JSI he works with (and thus would be in his office) and not the public, and Interceptor just doesn't work around him enough to know about it

 

I'm pretty sure the issue was the embarrassing and edgy things the bots said. And the many articles written about them.

 

A few asides from Orion here. Nothing super-important, though, as far as I can tell.

Spoiler: Be Revealed!

"Illustres." "Together we advance towards victory."

"Orion. We weren't expecting you quite yet. Highfather said that your had-."

"The task of expunging the Anti-Life from a world of Darkseid's victims takes precedence over everything else."

I try looking inside him, but am roundly rebuffed. Defiant Stand.

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"It varies, and the only New God we've taught is far less experienced than you. Honestly, for our purpose you shouldn't need to master it."

"I refuse to do anything less than excel." Master of War.

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"Speak of it no more. I am the master of my mind. Highfather's… Kindness, is not required." Heroic Resolution.

"Very well. But I should warn you… Even you won't find it easy."

 

Is highfather's wife still alive in this? In YJ cannon she was and she was the reason Orion is slightly more well-adjusted.

 

‘it meant’

’you had’

 

And they were probably lucky since Darkseid can do a lot worse than just kill someone.

And he technically isn't a New God.

Though it could help.

 

I see she's relaxing after what she's been through. And probably enjoying feeling the natural air of history that something that old would no doubt exude. There's just something about museums that reinforces that... Atmosphere.

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So... The spoils of conquest, captured by covert agents?

Few such assemblages of relics are ever designed that way. Unless it was a collector with a particular mania for such things.

Hmm... I get the feeling she's heard some stories about Orange Lanterns...

Sad. But at least they'll be avenged.

Frustrating. Could it have been some great artwork, like David or the Venus de Milo? Or maybe just a crass display of lewdness... After all, as the guide said, they don't know.

So the sculpture isn't a likeness of their people, I see.

Seems unlikely? You never know what they can determine with just the record of tool-marks...

Thankfully it's a bit easier with just two regular eyes, I suppose.

Echo-location and compound eyes? Seems like an odd combination.

Ah. I doubt this is a direct attack by Grayven or Mannheim. Too hard to find them.

Ah, the Segway Cosmic. One of the more entertaining aspects of Kirbytech from the New Gods' stories.

So, then. He's willing to unleash his Rage for an ally's sake?

Yeah, I can't imagine they'd sit about with their thumbs up their exhausts while this was going on if they had an option to prevent it.

Heh.And don't think he didn't notice that poke, OL. Let's not antagonise the War Hound, hmm?

And at least OL can hope this requires less multiversal damage than Final Crisis dealt.

...I'm amazed she was still there, instead of immediately fleeing when the tube opened.

I'd hope that was his Mother Box chastising him for that...

OL, you're a good chunk of the way to being an ersatz New God yourself thanks to the oddball nature of your soul... That probably earns a bit of respect from New Genesis folks.

Of course, the source of a 'focus of elemental rage' is going to be a bit tricky.

Though being able to not become a frothing rage-monster should be considered 'proficient', for these purposes.

And hopefully this Red Ring should have more combat options than the classic 'berserker charge while spewing napalm blood'...

Especially for a Red Ring. Rage is not always known for its clarity of thought.

No, once Orion commits to something, he sticks to it, as seen during his membership in the JLA leading up to the Mageddon event.

...That just makes him even more determined to master it, you know...

Well, then. This should be an entertaining addition to the character dynamics. Especially if they do manage to forge a Red Ring, and get Orion training with it. His Mother Box is going to have her work cut out for her if it doesn't go well. On the other hand, it'll help them develop a training regimen for non-Orange Rings.

 

What would a Paul who mastered the Orange and Violet lights/reached emotional enlightenment to both look like? Besides an even better candidate to replace the endless of Desire if they ever died?

 

I note nowhere has anyone mentioned what price this unaligned maltusian may charge in exchange for the what is essentially a service. Especially if the whole 'binding' aspect works like it does for Red Paul where his ring will turn to dust if someone else tries using it.

 

This reminds me of a scene in 3rd Rock From The Sun where Dick is looking at some pictures to see what is smut and what is art.

He apparently found porn magazines boring, but that painting of Eve with the apple and the snake was arousing for him.

They may be able to find him, but attacking is a different matter.

This museum may be on Maltus, so if they attacked then they risk being swarmed by a lot of Maltusians.

They're powerful, but even a single Maltusian could probably crush them.

 

Yes, this is what Paul should be doing. He shouldn't just borrow a yellow ring he should be making an opposition corps to any corps not aligned or friendly to him and his goals. If you get some yellow rings you can practice fighting against them with an ally that not going to kill you. Some with red. Also, it has been stated above that this red ring will probably be different than Atrocious' rings and maybe somewhat better. I'm also wondering if they could make an indigo ring without what happened to Saul Paul happening

 

A little from column A, a little from column B. It isn't a secret that they worked together and that he took part in their training. But 'there are people that Alan Scott trained' isn't something most people know. Similarly, most people don't know who Alan Scott's friends are, outside the other leaders of the JSI. Him having a picture of colleagues on his desk isn't that strange.

 

The Red Power Rings that we know, from the comics and from Raul, were made using Magic, no? So who knows how a technologically based Red Power Ring would behave? No replacing the user's heart, for example, maybe not even napalm/acid blood and instead it's an special attack from the ring itself.

I'm curious about this unaligned Maltusian, though. I know they all know and can manipulate The Glow, but does that translate to know how to forge a Ring? Or would he need for Orange Granny to teach him? And why can they, specifically, facilitate the construction of a Red Power Ring?

 

The one Atrocitus gave Raul was magic, but he originally showed up in that universe with a red ring that may be technological in origin before Atrocitus took it.

Because they'd know more about the Red Spectrum and the Controller's use and connection to the Orange Light may prevent them from utilizing the other colors, so even if they understood how to make a red ring, they wouldn't be capable of doing it.

 

No. There is no Highmother, and if I hadn't already stopped watching Young Justice when she appeared that's the point where I'd have turned it off.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Her title was actually Wisdombringer.

At least in the show. Not so sure about the comics.

 

We’ve actually already seen a technological red power ring, with that guy in the Renegade universe who I think got one from Weaponer Lysis.
I can’t remember what it was like, though, except that I’m pretty sure that it didn’t replace the heart.

 

I'm assuming this poor grammar is due to Jade using a translator.

 

No, that's fine grammar. It follows on from her previous two sentences.