With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I wonder if Paul is going to realize that he also name-dropped Superman by his Kryptonian name during the conversation.

 

No, I think that's right as-is. "People" as singular noun meaning roughly "ethnicity", "peoples like that" meaning species/races/ethnicities who are extremely but not wholly evil.

 

Why did Paul create a construct of Zod? Is it because he fears him? I thought Paul's fears were more existential.

 

No, as in 'multiple entire civilisations'.

Thank you, corrected.

He didn't. That happened in response to the fears of Amalak and Company.

 

You may have noticed that the Yellow Ring was analysing first OL's fear (Death) then Soranik Natu's (Sinestro.) When Amalak approached, it locked onto him and projected what he feared: Zod. And yes, while he hates kryptonians and Zod in particular, he also fears him in nearly-equal amounts. To quote a certain muppet: Fear leads to Anger...

 

Nothing about this particular statement, just the orange quotes.

Does Paul's enlightenment continue when he is not wearing his Orange Rings, and evidently while wearing a Yellow-ish ring?

I don't recall this happening before when he was ringless, but I may not have been paying attention.

 

Enlightenment is a property of the soul or maybe the connection to the emotional planes (I’m not sure). It doesn’t have anything to do with power rings, except that it makes using them easier.

We have seen several characters that were enlightened despite never having contact with a power ring.

 

For examples of Duke statement Dr Balewa is supposed to have white enlightenment that Mr Zoat sometimes forgets. In the Renegade the red lantern detective had rage enlightenment before Grayven gave him a red ring, we have seen monks with green quotations.

In short enlightenment is a frame of mind and state of the soul, you don't need any ring to be enlightened, but being enlightened usually makes people a better ring user and also reduces the basic weakness of disruption by making the lantern feel different emotions.

 

Remember when he used to use a stone to check for listening devices?

 

: instead of ;

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Could Paul have just lied to Amalak or omitted the info that there is a Phantom Zone Projector on Earth?

 

I mean, Amalak heard Paul say that he utilized a Phantom Zone Projector. Meaning that Paul either has access or knows how to get access to one.

 

Of course, Zod's going to get out, isn't he?

 

If he does, I hope Paul is there to thwart him.

 

The knowledge that the remnants of his people will now sleep more peacefully now that one of their biggest monsters is dead.

If you're starving and are offered some food, but the food will be the last piece you ever eat you'd probably still eat it.

He may be able to find them on his own since he probably has equipment to track Kryptonian tech.

I mean there are actually a number of good reasons to help Amalak here.

He's being a civilized force in Vega and if he goes to Earth to kill Zod because he was denied by Paul then the region could experience chaos, plus Earth gets invaded.

If Amalak invades then he will probably bring along his people as soldiers and if any of them die then his race is closer to extinction, while killing Zod will only get rid of one guy.

It's honestly also a good idea to get the prisoners out of the Phantom Zone.

They don't age and apparently some of them have been in there much longer than their sentence was supposed to be since Krypton blew up.

This means that there are now potentially a bunch of emotionally scarred and violent people that are ageless.

In the show we saw how Zod was able to use that to his advantage.

Getting them out where they can age and one day die is good both to help the ones that need it and to make sure that the ones that are beyond help won't become a problem in the future.

They might have access to the only Phantom Zone projector at the moment, but can they give a 100% guarantee that that will always be the case.

A thousand years from now it may be activated and release a dangerous prisoner, like it happened in the Legion of Superheroes cartoon, or someone may start experimenting and discover a way to the Zone and release a prisoner by accident.

See the above.

 

It makes sense that something this big would draw Doctor Mist out. Now I'm assuming that part of the reason Ahri'ahn didn't try something like this in the Paragon timeline is because Doctor Mist is more active and he knows that he would get immediately smacked down before he could even get things started with someone of Doctor Mist's caliber on high alert.

 

Yeah, you're not exactly a New God, but Luna has experience with dream magic, so she may be better equipped.

He either imprisoned him, or maybe struck some kind of deal.

I imagine there are quite afraid things he could do for Dream.

They'd just get a big lightshow.

 

Either that or like I mentioned in a previous post, he may not see much of a need to.

Paragon Atlantis is thriving and expanding its influence.

It may not be necessarily in the way Ahri'ahn likes it, but it's happening.

Renegade Ahri'ahn on the other came to a time where his magic was being used in a way that he didn't like and Atlantis wasn't thriving as much as the paragon version, so he may have seen the need to do this.

 

Is Ahri'ahn even active in the Paragon timeline? I can't recall if we have seen him there, off the top of my head. And not like it would be relevant right now, with the planet being all Anti-Life'd.

Nice to see that Grayven and the others have a plan, though. I'm still uncertain how the hell Ahri'ahn managed all this under everyone's nose. I can't buy Dream cooperating, and I imagine the spell would be pretty big and complex in preparation, so how did no one send word on it to their surface allies? These lentils are really black, is what I'm saying.

 

That is a good question.

The two obvious solutions: He had a bribe major enough to make Dream give him a pass. Or he learned about the bumbling amatures that managed to trap him, so decided to show Dream how a legendary Archmage does it.

If it's the latter, Dream is going to be pissed. Like, it might be necessary to kill him, because having one of the Endless that angry at humanity isn't something we're likely to survive. At least, not in out current state.

The cats got retconned into being small domesticated animals. Let's not tempt Dream into one-upping that.

 

Right. I expect she's been busy checking their hypothesis, and made sense of the ongoing effect Ahri'ahn is using. Still, a lot of risk in a presumably untested thaumitech device. Which means someone will have to go test it, won't they...

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I never read Giovanni as the analytical sort of mage. Still, the spellwork is no doubt novel even to his eyes.

So, in effect, they'll be carrying their own little bubble of their normal with them. Wonder if it affects people they touch too, or if it's solely personal.

Outbreaks of people trapped in endless sleep or constant insomnia, at best. Yes, rather severe.

Hopefully, it isn't expanding. That would be even worse.

She would be largely unchanged no matter what, I suspect. Or more likely to become more of herself.

I wonder if very high heels would help her walk more easily, with the similarity to her equine posture... Though human feet aren't really designed to be en pointe all the time.

Ooh, good comeback. Certainly not something he's done unaided. Much less in physical form.

Not quite a reality warper, but I expect any magic she can use in human form will be much stronger. Heck, she might be able to use pony magic without changing.

If you're able to. Ahri'ahn's spell might not allow people to leave.

Heh. I bet he just got a dose of the Bat-Stare. Which makes me wonder what a staredown between Fluttershy and Batman would be like.

In effect, Ahri'ahn would be able to... Encourage people to think how he wants them to think, you mean. Which makes it even more insidious.

I suspect the myths of Morpheus the Olympian are simply tales of when he was wooing Calliope back in the day.

Still a lot of assumptions about what Morpheus might be thinking about this. It could be that he simply hasn't noticed what Ahri'ahn's doing, or dismissed it as a momentary disturbance in his realm.

So, quarantine them, just in case.

Ah, surprised he hadn't tried to get in touch sooner.

Ah, a conference call of sorts.

Let me guess, the hard men are getting hard-ons about tossing some 'sunshine in a can' at the problem?

Only polite to let your caller know others can hear him.

And that's assuming Ahri'ahn doesn't simply prevent them entering the area of control at all. I expect he's been told what nuclear weapons are by now.

Time it wrong, and all you'll be doing is making one hell of a fireworks show.

Not a stretch to assume Ahri'ahn can do that within the area he controls, after all.

That's a recent development, I would suspect.

Ah, finally he shows himself in the Renegade timeline. I guess the Renegade's actions weren't noteworthy enough to him yet...

And it wouldn't take long to redirect him to the Renegade's location in any case.

All hands on deck for the face-punching brigade, eh?

Confident, aren't you, Renegade?

I see the heroes haven't been idle in the face of Ahri'ahn's little display. Nor have the world's governments. All those oddball emergency plans coming out, eh? Wonder if anyone did the 'powerful magician lifts Atlantis from the sea floor' as a project? And the Renegade taking the 'it's all up to me' approach to reconnaissance, too. Foolhardy.

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...so we're kind of coming in at the low ebb of his tolerance for tomfoolery.

"Okay, well let's get it out of the way: what happens if we nuke them?"

 

..... Is he under the assumption that Morpheus has been freed?

 

He should be. By the time the SI happens, Morpheus has not only been freed, he has already been replaced if I remember correctly.

 

Has it ever been explained where this Ahri'ahn has been for the last few millennia? Was he just messing around, did he fake his death, or did he come back to life to make Atlantis into a powerhouse?

 

It's explained that he's been time travelling forward. He just happened to stop at this point in the Renegade timeline because he thinks he can succeed in his plans here, plus his distaste for what the Un-Men are doing.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Daniel is still human in this timeline. The Renegade hasn't checked, though.

 

Random thought; best description of the endless, they're primordials like the Titans but on a universal level not just a planetary.

 

The Mandated version of Dream Baghdad seemed to exist without Dream having a problem with it, so maybe he just doesn't care about something like this.