With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Well this Paul is the only other human with an extremely close relationship to a Cybertronian, so she may be curious if her son and Arcee pursue something similar.

It was built around a Cybertronian relic.

 

The obvious answer is that he was and it was the only reason he lived as long as he did.

 

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No.

Thank you, corrected.

 

And why would USA care about that Kid enought to Pay chinese for him?

And why would they put chinese Kid into Shockwave when they could instead put in somebody with more pro USA aliegance?

 

A child, a thief, a Chinese citizen, and someone poisoned by alien energy stuff? Is there a worse possible candidate this guy could suggest?

He should be looking for someone actually experienced with all the emotions and how to healthily handle them. Someone with strong morals and ethics to act as a better conscience. Preferably someone with his own country's ideals and loyalties rather than those of another country or culture. And does anyone even know how energon poisoning is going to effect the procedure? I can't believe he would even suggest this person, or that anyone would accept them.

And they had to PAY for him as well? Wtf?! We have tons of rich old or crippled people that would pay for the privilege of becoming an immortal God machine. Is it an actual requirement that they be near death? Tons of people that are at full health would still rather be alien robots than humans.

 

They don't. But if all the Chinese want in return is something they know is useless, why not give it to them? They're more worried about proliferation.

Anyone on the US side with that clearence would know a tonne of classified information they wouldn't want Shockwave to learn.

A terminally ill Joint Chief.

The list of terminally ill people is very long. The list of terminally ill people with that sort of security clearence and no knowledge that is classified is 0.

 

That was my first thought too.

 

Remember that Fowler isn't exactly the entire US government.

The guy may not have had that much say in who gets to bond to Shockwave, but was just ordered to oversee the bonding that his superiors chose.

 

I'm more curious how this kid got that level of security clearance...

 

Seemed like a weird choice to me as well, but I'm willing to accept that there was a lot more going on behind the scenes than Fowler wanted to explain or maybe even knew about.

Zoat's revelation that they wanted to avoid giving Shockwave too much information weighs on one end, and I can vaguely see a big argument about who "deserves" it ending with Kyansa as a compromise candidate who everybody could feel sorry for and everyone could be assured wouldn't be advancing any agenda.

Will he be helpful to Shockwave? LOL, who cares, Shockwave is Cybertron's problem, and if the SI wanted a bunch of criteria about wisdom and emotional stability he should have stated that at the beginning.

 

Excellent point! Plus, a child is more likely to enjoy exploring space, as opposed to an adult’s desire to see Earth again. If Shockwave returns to earth, traditional decepticons are likely to follow- to hunt for whatever materials or device caught his eye.

 

also, we never cleared up where all the supergirls were coming from. We know where demon supergirl and future supergirl aka Diane dearden and maybe nazi supergirl (time trapper/krona causing the portals to open?) but not new Kara or why they all seemingly appeared on one earth over a relatively short period of time.

 

Only if they are stupid enough to think Human information security is enough to keep a Cybertronian out.

 

it’s enough to keep out a mad scientist who is halfway across the galaxy and has no reason to come to earth unless they give him one.

 

Shockwave is Shockwave, he has dozens of reasons to monitor what's going on on Earth, so absolutely would.

 

Name two, and keep in mind his current state of mind.

 

Unicron.

The various artifacts of the Primes.

 

He doesn't know about the latter and wouldn't care if he did.

They're not on Earth and he wouldn't care if they were since they can't help him.

 

Someone should remind Shockwave to check Kyanas for booby-traps. The Americans might be trustworthy, the Chinese...

Shockwave has a lot of enemies willing to chance a deniable Op.

 

Given your statement I have to ask... Have you actually watched Transformers Prime?

 

Have you read that shockwave is going through an existential crisis and can't control himself?

 

Okay then, so you didn't know that Earth was both Unicron and the location the Autobots used to secure pretty much every artifact under the sun.

 

That doesn't really jive with how ot works IRL. Greeks learn the hellenic myths in school at third grade. Being Orthodox is more about national identity than it is about piety and theological thought for most. And Hellenism is part of that identity. They don't actually believe in those myths (except for for a few oddballs and a few even bigger weirdos who manage to somehow believe in muddled parts of it while still calling themselves Orthodox Christians), but they are still damn proud of it.

That said, in a world where they clearly know that the Greek Gods are real, yet turned away from them for Christianity regardless and constantly have to compromise with the actual mythical creatures that are still around and have been preventing the government from controlling several of the Greek islands all of this might be very different.

 

That should say 'Nebulan'.

Hopefully this doesn't lead to Kyansa going mad with power, especially as he's attached to someone else who'd have different interests from his.

 

Shockwave's problem isn't controlling his emotions. Shockwave's problem is his inability to feel emotion. Small children are very good at feeling emotion. Shockwave could easily spend a thousand years sitting at a workbench making superrust. Him being easily distracted is a good thing for the universe.

Well, when it comes to transformers Jackson Darby has a higher clearance than most US senators and generals. A higher rating doesn't necessarily mean that the government wants you to know about something. If Jack got kidnapped for example, it wouldn't be the local police investigating. It would be the NSA.

In universe, the Greek Orthodox Church had a bit of an episode the first time they found out about Wonder Woman and have been amping up the anti-pagan rhetoric. Pride in your history is one thing, but they've been quite emphatic about why Greece stopped doing certain things.

 

I'd point out here it's actually not that hard to actually turn a human into a Transformer.

 

I never understood how the relationship between head and body works for Headmasters.

 

I'm kind of vague on that as well, though it doesn't help that every writer who tries to go into it (all of the ones that I'm aware of are fanfic writers) has a different idea of how it works. The exception is Transtectors, since the only brain in that body is the organic one.

 

Not that a missing head is usually that big a concern to a cybertronian. They don't keep much of importance in it, after all, with all their critical systems tucked away in their torso. I expect Shockwave is using secondary limb-mounted optic sensors or remote cameras to handle moving about if needed.

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Ick. Still, he'd have needed surgery anyway for the conversion to a Headmaster. And it's not even the first time a kid's gone under the knife that way in a 'Transformers' series.

After all, there's a fine line between the visuals of surgery and butchery.

Because of course Shockwave's lab isn't fitted with mini-bot- or human-friendly walkways. And I doubt Paul is interested in walking around on a benchtop.

The joy of being so intimately linked to someone else. The slightest slip of the mind can be misunderstood so easily.

Since in the fandom, spark-to-spark contact is often equated to sex between cybertronians... Just wait until she experiences the human version from the female side.

'Til All are One' is sometimes more literal than mere cultural co-habitation. Normally it just refers to sparks coming together within the Well of All Sparks, but I've read a fic or two where instead of Cybertron transforming to battle a revived Unicron, all the Transformers combine.

And this is probably why some 'bots dislike organics: They're just so... Unhygenic.

Which is a horrifying idea for cybertronians, after all. Their bodies don't regenerate. Edit: At least, not in the way our bodies do...

Not without some seriously abnormal circumstances, like Bumblebee in the Prime finale. (An injury that lasts all of two minutes so do enjoy. ) Usually in the form of divine intervention.

I don't think Paul has that sort of fetish. And any kind of fluids you could provide would just make any illness worse.

Heh. The kid's going to be able to claim he got ripped open and lived. As for them combining, I suspect Paul would rather maintain his autonomy, given the inevitable bleedthrough involved.

Since, if I remember right, this one did start with an Orange Ring way back when, expending its charge to revive Slipstream and later modify himself... ...Wonder if any Cybertronian artifacts could recharge it...

It's one of those fascinating differences between human and 'bot. The latter are all about change. A new frame can be like putting on new pants, albeit via transplant surgery.

A Vorn being 83 Earth years, for reference. Cybertronian timekeeping is weird. And oddly focused on multiples and factors of 83. Blame mythology gags.

There are ways around that, after all, though whether they exist in this universe is still up in the air.

Another tricky part of a bond like theirs. No hiding things easily.

Not impossible that there were multiple-connection partnerships. If they were close enough, they might well even merge into one spark in multiple bodies. An origin for 'bots like Reflector, maybe?

Ha, it's even uncertain in-universe, eh? And given that one of the Thirteen primes was a Combiner... It's not impossible that his 'tribe' enjoyed such multi-part relationships.

And she's not kidding about slavery. The old Autobot High Council era was not kind. There's a good reason Megatron began his rebellion.

Not unless you're into polyamorous relationships.

Indeed! Why, some things posted on the Internet aren't true!

Ah, Humans. Always good at their fiction.

Unless you have a very relaxed or open relationship. But you'd better be really clear with your partner about it. One thing cybertronians get right: Communication is important.

Oh, that's a whole other kettle of fish that I doubt Paul wants to get into.

Or it should. Sadly, people can't always be rational about these things, or pick poorly, or make terrible parents... Really, it's amazing Humanity made it this far.

After all, if you can't get along with your team, it's going to be a tense relationship.

And presumably not speaking with the emotionless voice they're familiar with. Since that too was part of his modifications.

Handsome fellow. Though it's probably a matter of personal taste to get things customised. I always picture Knock Out as the cybertronian equivalent of a cosmetic surgeon pre-war.

And there's the original bot. No doubt he's configured things so that his mind controls their combined body.

So, it's done, and the first proper human Headmaster has been made. Along with a bit of surprisingly uncertainty and concerns from Slipstream and comforting from Paul. And some fascinating insights into cybertronian culture. Now, to see how Shockwave and Cancer handle their new situation... Hopefully the lad takes it well.

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It can vary from continuity to continuity. Here's the Wiki page.

To sum up: In cases where the body has an existing personality, the original mind and the partner form a sort of hybrid persona of the two. This is how the American cartoon and comics handled it.
Sometimes it's an improvement, such as two scientifically-minded partners (Brainstorm and Arcana, for example) becoming even smarter and more inventive. Others... If the pairing isn't good, they can conflict badly. Say, an intellectual paired with a thug (Highbrow and Gort.) They fall into arguing amongst themselves, and struggle to focus on a single objective without disagreement on how to handle it.

An alternative is the Japanese continuity's style, where all the personality is in the mini-bot head, and the 'Transtector' body is just a frame to interact with larger 'bots and serve as transport, often considered interchangable. Kyansa here is a counterpart of a human playing the mini-bot role in one of the Japanese series.