With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Now it looks like Paul wants to go to the Dream first in order to fix his defenses… but we already know Akhlys can reach the Dream gate, and something problematic might be on the other side.

So is the ascension laboratory used on Hephaestus still set up by the river? Was the spear of destiny put back in its Atlantean vault?

Oh. Huh. I wonder how Zeus handled the anti-life. Frankly, he might have been kidnapped if it hit him particularly hard. We certainly haven’t heard of him acting as a superhero, and the fact that colleges shut down due to the apocalypse… Some implications there.

 

And not just for them.

It was mentioned that when they entered the universe they destroyed the previous magic system on Earth and took its place.

If they're corrupted then that's also corrupted.

Yeah, but not too much, too soon.

Remember that if she achieves full titanhood then she may no longer be free to operate so easily in the material universe.

Old Gods are pure magic energy, and any avatar she makes may be weaker than her current self.

Or armor or a weapon.

Ohh, he's good at taking people to adopt a different mindset.

The problem is that it can lead to a lot of destruction.

See my post above.

He either trusts her to take care of herself, or thinks that if she's foolish enough to try and date him then she deserves whatever happens to her.

That would explain the title of the episode.

They may not like him, but if they talk to him then they know what he's up, so they can either try to stop him or prepare for the worst.

 

I'm pretty sure this isn't the OL talking so the quote shouldn't be orange.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

‘place’ or there should be other places listed?

‘DON’T’?

‘gynoid’s’?
’seizes’

‘he can roll it’?

‘breathes’

‘Focus.’?

‘frowns at’

‘thousand’

’rappel’

Really enjoying the Hell arc and the evil alternate so far.

 

Ah! Been a while since I had one of these.

Thank you, corrected.

No, that one is intentional. He quietens slightly as he reaches the 'T'.

 

Wait... Wasn't Diana still on Earth last we saw?

Or was that retconned?

 

I reread the section that mentioned her the other day, I believe it was retconned

Also: every time I hear about Melinoe my heart grows weary as i remember my OTP is forever sundered.

 

Last we heard of Diana, she had been on Earth because she mentioned that Themyscira had just vanished, not been destroyed (we didn't see her on screen, it was mentioned that she wasn't worried about them all being dead). Someone brought this up to Zoat but I don't know if he fixed the issue or not.

 

‘just not looking’?

‘chest-seams’?

‘claws scrabbling’?

‘de-asbestosed’?

How do they do it in the USA?

‘asked’

‘expressions’

Damn, did he get through 172 formulae before that? And that’s excluding forms of enhancement that aren’t formulae? I guess this is a comic book world.

’to take a look’

‘past’

‘or died’

‘learned’

‘then fixes’

Now there’s a patriot.

Probably hard-coded. Sivana’s a bit mental but he’s not stupid. And didn’t we see something from Atom’s perspective relating to this? Something about how he couldn’t interface with stuff directly and he can’t modify himself to do it.

’let alone’

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

No more than a frozen custard seller is excluding melted custard. He sort of is, but he isn't using the qualifier "frozen" to communicate that.

 

I wonder how Paul freeman is doing on nazi earth. Was he even told there were other versions of him that could have taken him to a non-nazi world but decided not to/forgot about it?

 

Probably the same reason they use staff weapons instead of more practical weaponry.

It's stylistic.

Once you reach a certain level of advancement, physical ability doesn't matter all that much.

You don't need to be strong to point the guns on a spaceship and press a button to shoot them.

Well they do, but they just don't give a shit about them.

Unless they're feeling hungry.

 

Awww. You nerfed Goa'uld computer systems.

That's no fun.

 

And back to Stargate Paul, posing as the System Lord Mammon reborn ( I am not going to call him 'Mammaul'.) Bit of a time jump, but with a fully active Orange Ring, he's not doubt in fine shape. And is taking his first steps out into the galaxy, by the looks of this diplomacy.

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Nice trick, amplifying and resonating his voice to produce the characteristic Goa'uld modulation.

Nice trick, but Mammon has better ones.

Well, the parasite could be using the human brain as additional processing.

Ah, the hierarchy of diplomacy. Agents of agents until you reach a level high enough to make decisions.

Mostly just the theatre of power. After all, their slaves must see them as gods to fear them properly. But for technology more advanced than medieval, it's a game he has to play...

So, can Goa'uld leave a dying host in favour of a healthy one? That's about the only way I assume they would take his claims to be a reborn Mammon seriously...

Better not to try for the old job of tax collector, after all. Don't want to piss them off until you can defend yourself.

More likely a matter of style. Don't Jaffa get a modest amount of physical augmentation from the hosting process? If her Bast warriors are still stronger than a human, does it matter if they're weaker than male Jaffa?

Presumably keeping the Ring very well hidden, I bet. The ultimate ace in the hole.

No doubt they're actually of excellent quality, but she doesn't want him to think he can gain any advantage...

Well, that was easy. Which means something's going to go wrong any moment.

That'll be the shoe dropping. and with the air of a man deeply concerned that his next words may cost him his life, yet they must be said...

Ah. That gives us a solid-ish date, then. Assuming the movie opens on the day of its release date, it's early November, 1994. Allowing time for the word to spread.

Which means his death with no named heir throws the whole system into a freefall. Every god for themself.

Amusing idea, but sadly unlikely.

Keeping your head down. Probably the best option when you're the only strategic-scale asset you have.

Meanwhile, she's [Internally Screaming] in panic.

Well, out of the lion's den. Now to make it safely out of the savannah.

Aw, no raiding systems for information so easily. Well, at least amongst the Goa'uld.

Lucky you. A chance to find out what's going on in the greater galaxy...

And since goa'uld don't play nicely even if they like a superior, it's probably a human or Jaffa.

See? Watching even her nominal ally very carefully.

You have no idea...

Well, the cat is among the pigeons now, and the galaxy is in for a rough time. If this is TV continuity, the Stargate Program is going to be stood down until 1995, when they begin their first exploratory missions after a Goa'uld attack. The question is, what will happen in the meantime, and how well will Mammon's world be able to stay out of it until he can defend it?

 

Technically in a world without the infinite ammo clips of a tv production, Staff Weapons are likely more practical then P90s.

And well, since a long acceleration chamber is required for the weapons to work. The shape is actually understandable.

 

Not really since the staffs have a pretty low RoF and are generally presented as being inferior as weapon to fire arms. The military kit of the system lords is geared to over awe and intimidate primitives.

 

So this Paul is massively sandbagging, which is particularly odd given his stated reasons for hating Nabu. And it is likely about to become SG-1’s show with Paul as an extra.

Nice to see a story at least acknowledge that non-System Lord goa’uld exist though. Too rare that.

 

The rate of fire of a staff weapon is dependant on how strong the wielder wants the shot to be.

And no, the military kit of the System Lords is geared towards effectiveness and longevity.

Because it takes multiple hits from a P90 firing an unknown type of armor piercing rounds to punch through a Jaffa's armor. But it only takes a single hit from a staff blast to do the same.

And Staff weapons don't run out of Ammo.

Fact is, without hollywood infinite ammo guns SG1 would have been dead a hundred times over on the situations shown.

 

Oh no, he's not a System Lord. System Lord is an informal rank, and they're way more powerful than he is. You don't call yourself a System Lord when all you have is one zero-industry planet unless you want an actual System Lord to explain to you that you're not.

It's worse than that. Kawalsky had his goa'uld chirurgically removed and destroyed, and it still controlled him.

Yes. At this point it would be expected that he'd done that.

Not entirely true. Nerus and Ptah were happy to work under their patrons while they persued their own projects.

Corrected.

 

I agree a bit on the sandbagging, I'm not familiar with Stargate lore in general, but I don't think there are many things in the setting that could pose a threat to a capable Lantern. Problem is that we don't know how capable this SI is, we don't know if he's been practicing his Lantern skills nor do I think he's been in any combat.

However, while I would assume he may have a general dislike for the parasites currently in charge and puppeting these bodies, he hated Nabu specifically because he had a personal connection with the people affected, not because of a particular personal hatred against body-snatchers.

 

All capital ships have the power output to kill him if he tries to tank the shots, there are also matter disassembler beams and implosion devises that should kill him in one shot.

Ascended beings could probably also kill him.

Remember Grayven almost died to a human briefcase nuke of a few kilotons and this Paul is far less durable, so if you catch him by surprise with any of the aforementioned weapons you can probably kill him...

Edit: And I mean by surprise but with his shielding still on, without his shield a dude with a bow can kill him.

 

I think this is Early Installment Weirdness. That doesn't happen later in the series, and there was even a Baal who had his Goa'uld removed after 2000 years.

 

I'd also assume that even with the ability to defeat Goa'uld ships, an actual fleet could probably still bombard the settlements on the world he's taken under his wing before he got them all.

 

I assume they learned a effective removal method from their allies by then. There obviously is a correct way to do it, as we see it done, but it probably starts by preventing the parasite from overwriting the brain,

Also, I really like the "uses hosts brainpower" as a explination, as it provides a reason why they prefer to rejuvenate a host over taking a new one. There is likely some memory loss or some resetting costs that's best avoided.

Very happy to see more of False God! Paul.

Edit: and super super excited to see Jack's reaction to a real Power Ring.

 

Yeah, but Baal was removed with a Tok'Ra machine specifically developed for removing goa'uld.

That's the issue. A Ha'tak might be able to kill him in one hit, but it would be almost incapable of hitting him. Death Gliders could, though it would be difficult, and their weapons would batter down his constructs eventually. He'd probably want to get on board the ship and critically damage the generator rather than faff about outside.

 

No, he had it mostly removed.

They couldn't remove certain bits without killing him, and those regenerated.

There's also psychic powers and nano-tech that ignores what he thinks should be the rules of nano-tech.

 

If there's any method that works after 2000 years, then the parasite overwriting the brain can't be a real thing. Otherwise 2000 years would be plenty of time for the parasite to do it and once it has done so, even the Tok'ra method would be too late.