With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Wivk
I'm no expert on the whole thing evolution of mythology and linguistics for the biblical stuff but I can sort of parse the basics.

You start off with Proto-Indo-European languages and mythologies which cover the birth of human civilization. If you ever wonder why so many different mythologies share parallels and even names (even if you have to play linguistic Telephone for a few millennia to parse them) its because the stories they evolved from date back to this point in history and geography.

Fast forwards a bit and you have ancient Babylon and the surrounding cultures develop and whole region shares a bunch of variations of Gods, generally attached to locations in the region, and their placement within the cultures varies by local belief.

(Zoroastrianism is also a thing going on, as is the very very early days of Buddhism, which are impacted somewhat as they're still developing in arms reach of each other)

We get the precursors to the monotheist faiths, which I THINK falls under the 'Levant' and 'Canaanite' religions you'll see mentioned in the Old Testament. It's a Full Pantheon of gods from the region with 'El' at the top, and a lot of children of El making up the rest of the faith. At this time you'll see not just 'El' which is their Skyfather deity, 'Asherah' as El's wife, but you also get 'Yahweh' as a separate deity.

Much like the evolution you see in the worship in Egypt around the same times, different gods were popular in different places at different times, and often were characterization shifts between all those. Some gods stories, roles and names get shuffled around, and popular ones absorb a lot of the lore from other ones.

This is where you get to the early Semitic Faiths, with start to focus worship on a singular God, First as King of the Gods, and then as the Only God over time. El goes from being their 'head god' to "god with a Capital G' and absorbs the name 'Yahweh' around this point, which we see carry over into early Judaism, and thus into the Old Testament and from there into Islam as well for the Abrahamic Faiths.

But since everyone else in the region has their own faiths in the region, and names are shared between a lot of them, there's still a fair amount of cross talk in the faith at the time, and they did both trade and war with each other as cultures, tribes and / or nations.

Things for the proto Abrahamic Faiths start to get properly nailed down and codified, at least as we understand it, with the creation of the Tribes of Israeli, as those theological works and historical documentation show them separating from, but interacting with each other and outsiders at that time.

You get interactions with Babylon and Egypt as well as the Canaanites and other groups, and you eventually get the Moses story side of things, which we don't have direct historical evidence, but is about where you can at least nail down a rough time frame to follow Biblical stories forwards with historical events.

 

If you know French, Thomas Römer did a talk about the origins of YHWH : https://www.college-de-france.fr/fr...s-ses-cultes-sa-transformation-en-dieu-unique

I don't remember if he talks about YHWH's wife in it, but he does talk about the other gods from before the monotheism.
In short, from archeological sources we can reconstruct textes from before their rewrite, like Deuteronom 32,8.
In the modern form we have something like (quick and dirty translation from French mine) "When the Most High gave their inheritance to the nations, he divided the lands according to the number of sons of Israel. Indeed, YHWH's due is his people and Jacob the part that is due to him", whereas the reconstructed text is like : "When Elyon gave the nations as inheritance, and divided the people, he set their lands according to the number of the sons of El. And YHWH's due was his people, and Jacob his given share"
It appears here that YHWH is one of El's sons, and that there are others that are worshipped in other lands. Later on, it was rewritten to make sense with only YHWH (and then YHWH was replaced by "Lord" in the Greek translation because you don't need a given name if there aren't anyone else to differentiate yourself with).

Römer explains it better, I really recommend checking his talks.

 

‘is bountiful’

Missing speech mark.

 

Just as long as they don't pull a Roger Smith.

Unless they prefer cold and snow, which some may.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Didn't he? Does anyone else remember him getting one?

Thank you, corrected.

As many as the story needs.

No. Gary assimilated it, and the SI's ring thinks that he's dead. I'll make that explicit.

Thank you, corrected.

 

Orange light is probably the best choice for creating an animated fleshlight construct.

 

Some very well read people in here, thanks for telling me that rough outline of the idea so I didn't have to study for years just to get the gist of it and big thanks for a source to go deeper into it as well. No need to derail the whole thread forever, and Def no need to argue over it, this was enough to get me pointed in the right direction to learn more.

 

I clickec the link but I am unfamiliar with the series and the specific reference.

 

I do miss both the praxis demon and the cat. I think they were both actually happier as constructs.

 

Someone launches a temporal attack on the law enforcement organisation he's working for, killing people by killing their ancestors. Various things happen, and the man doing the attacking helps Napoleon invade England. Becasue he knows that other time travellers are coming for him, he gives the French simple radiation detectors to use at checkpoints, knowing that will pick them up.

 

Totally agree, especially Teekl. When we lost that cat the story lost part of its soul; it didn't matter that it was a half-monstrous, murderous, psychopathic cat, all cats are generally like that anyway, it still was something of a morality pet for the Illustres and honestly the most effective Construct Lantern by far.

The Praexis Demons were really useful as well, not only could they eat almost anything, which was effective in almost all situations, they multiplied by themselves without having to Assimilate more people!

 

He did, though they had simplified thought processes they were indeed reach members (see the Writ-Wrangler comment from the Reach negotiator earlier in the chapter)

 

Is that solid evidence? Seems like it could easily be a generic insult in their culture.

 

Ah, no. The person in charge of the operation was a Reachian, the people on the ship were brainwashed serfs.

 

Ah, then no, never converted any reachians.

 

Darn it. Okay, I'll fix that.

 

Now I'm wondering if this will somehow lead to Paul taking control of Akhlys and her domain.

 

Nope that's way too much growth for one episode. We're on the ultra slow burn to Paragon becoming the New God of Avarice or something within that domain.

 

Shouldn’t this last chapter have given him hydra memories, or is the ‘Agh!’ the memory? Just doesn’t seem consistent with this chapter.

‘than a’

’her wounds’

 

Roaring like a motherfucker. But 'Her'? Is this thing humanoid? Has Ahklys been poaching from other pantheons? Is that you, Sekhmet? Or has she been making some modifications? Let's read on and see!

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Welp, if you weren't already in trouble yet, you definitely are now.

Definitely physically enhanced, if multiple kicks aren't shifting her.

Yes, that's a question we'd all like answered.

Nope, she's deep in the black and red.

Since she's probably strong enough to pierce his vambrace with her fangs, if not break his bones.

Hind legs, then. Classic D&D style pounce attack. Hooks you with the front claws, rakes with the back. Nasty combo. A little more awkward with long humanoid legs, but no less vicious.

Sadly, not that effective, if she's local to Elysium.

Hell, she could probably stick any bits you cut off back on. But that probably explains the looks. A spirit is more vulnerable to modification than flesh is.

Lifting him and flying off won't help if she's still attached.

Ah, they've hit the ground, more or less. Or they're fighting on the top of the Hydra's head, since it's probably quite large.

Be glad you still have that arm. If she'd hit the elbow...

Kind of easy to narrow down, there aren't a lot of significant females in Hellenic myths. Especially ones from Athens.

After all, even if you're a ghost, you're still going to think like a person, and getting punched in the throat is not pleasant.

Recoil is a motherfucker, especially in high-caliber rounds.That wrist is gonna be hurting, if nor broken...

Probably having a little trouble even working out what hit her, if she hasn't been keeping up with weapons technology.

That depends on her placement on the human-furry spectrum...

Hey, some people still would. Even if she bites. Especially if she bites, in some loonies' cases.

Well, she was raised by bears. Didn't know about the 'turning into lions' bit before, though.

Welp. There goes his ride, for now. Doubt he's going to have an easy time getting that back until the lady has settled down.

I'm guessing that was the primary head.

Lucky it was through the hand. There's a nerve in the forearm that, well... From what I understand, Crucifixion used it to cause all the pain, enough that it was banned from use on Roman citizens.

...Well, you did say to let you go.

Yeah, you don't pull an arrow back through the wound it dealt. You break the shaft near the fletching and push it the rest of the way, and be ready to stem any bleeding. Or better yet, don't pull it out unless you absolutely have to, since it's plugging the hole.

Said undead are likely weaker than her anyway, so unless they pile on en masse...

Well, shit. You're on your own, OL.

Oh, now what...

Oh, that is so far into 'not good' territory that you can barely see the middle from where you are.

Yeah, trying would just be embarrassing.

...And watch him shrug it off because of Enlightenment. Not completely, but he'll rationalise it away.

Well, at least there's no time wasted in finding her. A pity you're the one at her mercy. And I'm thinking she's not feeling very merciful right now. Let's hope OL's resistance to Anti-Life lets him tank the psychological damage she's about to hit him with, and work out some way to talk her down, or this is going to be a very awkward episode. At least he's got a short trip for judgement if he dies.

 

well she not exactly wrong, it is perfectly normal to feel sorrow, no need to rationalize jack all

if Paul say no then he not being normal which is kinda like the usual friday at this point

 

Random question how is Canis Minor doing now that he knows Darkseid isn't training him like he thought?

 

Hey, didn't Paul assimilate a shipmaster New Ascendant (or whatever they were called)? How strong is that guy as a construct lantern? Still have any metaphysical power that could help out?

Why is Gary getting sent back into the ring a big deal? Didn't he summon Gary and the thralls despite the ring not working:

 

Every second they're in the ring is a second where they aren't protecting Paul, which is important in combat, especially when he's unable to use his ring to defend himself.

 

Were there any lingering effects when OL first visited Erebos and encountered Ahklys?

 

Her.

 

Ooh. Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks!

 

The 'agh' is the SI getting hit with the thoughts and memories. It wasn't as much of a problem because the construct wasn't thinking about much other than doing what it was told, and the SI wasn't thinking about something else.

Thank you, corrected.

Reminded me of the webcomic Least I Could Do, where the main character mentioned that he once had sex with a Disney princess.

It was Nala.

He's not sure if he only believed that because he wasn't ready for the Anti-Life, or if was true. Barda's keeping an eye on him, having gone through the same thing herself.

 

It's good to know that Barda is at least safe. Hopefully she can help Canis through this difficult time so that he will truly be with Earth and against Apokolips the next time Apokoliptian forces invade.