With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

They are not allowed to mature, I think

 

Yes. It comes up in a couple of days in this story, but it's explained in the episode Summit. They eat them.

 

Well when you put your babies inside people you send out to fight in deadly wars then the likelihood of them growing up tends to drop by a large degree.

The Goa'uld certainly have some interesting culinary traditions.

 

I don't remember exactly how they work, but I do remember that they in fact do mature. There was an episode were one of the larval Goa'uld matured, had duped their rebel Jaffa into believing they had "changed their ways", got a host and then proceded to kill said rebel Jaffa.

Then again, the Goa'uld Queens can kinda engineer the larva to whatever suit their needs. The Tok'ra were engineered that way and Anubis convinced a Queen to join him and engineer blank Goa'uld (i.e. without any genetic memory) for his Kull warriors.

Also, I'm fairly certain we see more than a few Goa'uld infiltrators and some that were servants to others without ruling any planets, so surely there are more than a few Goa'uld with fairly low ranks.

 

Funnily enough the infiltrators are shown to be higher ranked then those ruling planets under other Goa'uld.

Because ruling a single planet under another Goa'uld is basically what the Goa'uld use as the ultimate humiliation for their captured Goa'uld enemies.

 

The sarcophagus may be better suited to resurrecting humans since the tech it was based on was made by a race that's biologically connected to humanity, while the Goa'uld aren't.

 

I forget, why do space snakes care about gold when they have unlimited asteroids around to mine?

 

Four stated but only three described.

Jolly cooperation, with an amusing amount of mind-bending for one party who really didn’t expect things to go like this.

Kinda surprised he wants gold. Given how much the System Lords have about it can’t be all that rare.

 

Gold is used in Earth tech like computers, so the Goa'uld may also use it for technical reasons.

They may also not be able to mine asteroids.

Remember that they're not really big into scientific advancements and usually steal tech.

It's possible that they just don't have the tech to mine asteroids.

 

It isn't. The device the sarcophagus was derived from was not set for healing humans, it was set to healing Ancients, who are considerably more biologically complex for all that they look human from the outside(and can apparently interbreed somehow). As such, sarcophagi are not set properly when it comes to healing humans, they are just weaker in power so that it takes multiple cumulated uses to drive a human nuts till they are weaned off of it(as opposed to being in the Ancient Healing Device's immediate proximity for like 5-10 minutes).

Goa'uld are more resilient to a sarcophagus's effects so it takes more uses to drive them insane, but Goa'uld live long enough for most to start experiencing the effects anyway.

 

That's not actually all that much gold. The US Federal Reserve has more than eight thousand tonnes of gold, they can afford to spend a couple percentage points of that on a spaceship. It might be a 'loop in the President for approval' kind of conversation, but they can afford it.

 

They should be able to afford the gold if they talk to the president, but the market access and risk of tipping Goa'uld off that something worth paying attention to is going on in the system are the problem.

Maybe keep it at the Alpha site? That uninhabited planet they colonized purely to have a backup in case earth gets flattened at some point.

edit: never mind, the gold quantity has been upped by multiple orders of magnitude. I'm pretty sure that two hundred thousand tonnes of gold is all the gold that exists in a mined form on planet.

 

‘then’
or
Extraneous ‘the’

‘This is’?

‘out’

’passed’

 

Isn’t the whole pyramid in the middle of their space-ships coated in the stuff? Maybe it is used as some sort of radiation shielding. I believe they will need a whole lot of it.

 

I'm pretty sure that even if the system lords know how to engage in sophisticated industrial mining they mostly just don't.
Even in-atmosphere.
Except maybe for high-value rare minerals they use in their technology, and even then only if the seams are played out to conventional slave mining.(and maybe further restricted by it being one of the planets that treat them with reverence, instead of terror and barely-restrained hostility)

 

Heh. Yoinking everything he can get his hands on from the late-90's internet. Nice. And finally we get an Earth date. And quite the year for SGC, with multiple turnabouts. Season 3, incidentally... Literally a day after the episode "Forever in a Day", if you count air-date as in-universe date...

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Certainly a satisfying feeling to have a more complete awareness of your place in the universe, i suppose.

Ah, another version where your home town doesn't exist. Funny how that seems to apply to every version of the SI... Quite logical in Doylist terms. No angst over not going to see your family's alternates, or worrying that your counterpart would be in danger from your actions.

Some effective defences, but not up to his standard, eh? And yes, it has shown its weakness a few times. But it's not like they cane really rearrange things, having inherited the layout from the pre-opening project.

Which makes you the most dangerous thing on Earth, even past some nuclear weapons.

Hopefully at least one of them was keeping their eyes on him. After all, just because he's friendly doesn't mean he's safe.

Ooh, time to meet the core team.

And even if 'Mammon' knows about Earth, he might not care about little things like military honours.

Recent events, of course. His beloved wife just died... Along with the Goa'uld riding her. And it's a safe bet which is more deeply missed.

That's what happens when you go from being played by Kurt Russell to being played by Richard Dean Anderson...

Heh. Being a proper gentleman, of course. And entirely in character for someone who calls themself a 'god'.

Certainly being professional to bury his grief a little.

Which Paulmon might have heard about, if only by virtue of being in Bastet's inner circle.

At the hands of his teammate, no less. Which might explain why Teal'c isn't here. Probably searching for Apophis' son.

It might take some fast talking, especially if he doesn't repair her body beforehand to hide the obvious staff-blast wound.

...She's probably securely stored in the morgue coolers, isn't she?

Ah, yes. O'neill's accent. Not surprised it gets rendered like that. And I suppose their concerns about the sarcophagus use is pertinent, given at least one person in the room has been through one at least once.

Ah, he's here as much for a trading visit as to discuss Miss Duxley's behaviour, eh?

I think Paulmon just earned Jackson's eternal gratitude for that advice and offer...

Just imagine the butterflies from a non-bereaved Daniel Jackson...

Which is consistent between continuities, if I remember correctly.

Heh. Somehow, i don't think Jack enjoyed having that dragged out of his past.

Nice of him to feign generosity. And this must be something big, if he's here.

Hmm... Now why would they need additional materials, I wonder. A certain secret project that would be getting started at this point, perhaps?

Never mind the trick of having one going missing during an interstellar war between their owners.

The joy of having a reputation for that sort of thing. And even if only Bastet's subordinates have any idea of it, surely rumours might have spread.

Honestly, towing it via Ring power FTL on a wide loop outside Goa'uld space might manage it, but he'd have to be very careful. So not really worth the risk.

Well, then. A rather simple introduction to the SG-1 team, or most of it. And reviving Daniel's dead wife is going to go a long way to getting on their good side. As long as Paulmon is careful not to expose his relationship with Earth in the process, and whoever he gets to provide the sarcophagus time doesn't recognise Amaunet's host... Still, things are looking up for him with that acquired technical database.

 

I'm pretty sure that if he asks Daniel whether he mentioned his son to anyone on Abydos and gets a negative they're going to realize Paulmon knows too much for his claimed information sources.

 

I suspect that the 'unrestricted access to your markets' part is what's tripping them up. That's *dangerous* in any sort of situation where one side has a huge technological advantage over the other, as history has shown. Plus, they haven't even announced that aliens are real yet.

As a side note, here's a scale picture of all the gold in the world.

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Originally I had Teal'c being there, before I realised that General Hammond wouldn't put a shol'va in a meeting with a goa'uld.

Them giving it to him makes it convenient for when he goes on a shopping spree. But I can increase it.

Thank you, corrected.

No. Kurt Russell played Jack O'Neil. This is Jack O'Neill.

No, he just likes mispronouncing it.

 

One of the things that I think has come up a few times is that they would like to have antiorbital weapons that would actually work on Ha'tak.
So either an explanation of how many nukes of what yield they'd need to knock down the shields, or the designs for a heavy duty anti ship weapon(either on a satellite or ground-based), would be valuable to them.

 

Much better; that's nearly all the gold ever mined by human civilization, which is far more straightforwardly impossible.

 

So, is Bastet a Lord or a Lady ? I think both terms were also used in previous chapters.

 

At least we now have a firmer grasp of the timeline for the show. And good for Jackson, at least now there's a certain way to get his wife back and without the expected side-effects.

So, we get a meeting with Hammond and most of SG-1. Apparently they're in the process of building or at least designing their space-worthy vessels if they are in need of more naquadah. I wonder what they will get out of this? Perhaps not a Ha'tak but maybe their own Tel'tak or Death Glider, or even an Al'kesh, although that might get too expensive as well.

So is it Jack O'Neill or Jack O'Neil?

 

Why is this word orange?

What's this?

Missing an L.

Perhaps sell them a smaller ship?

 

I wonder how the relations of Bastet to Paulmon to Tau’ri will go after SG-1 / SGC in general really get to the ‘God Killing’ swing of things. Is he gonna have to choose a side or are they just gonna treat him like any other Goa’uld eventually?

Is Bastet’s sphere gonna survive or just be around longer? Wasn’t there almost a peace treaty between Earth and the Goa’uld in some season because they just became that annoying / dangerous?

I wonder if the Goa’uld survive instead of basically getting off screen by the replicators.

Also surprised Hester hasn’t been caught by Paulmon yet, or maybe she ‘has’ but he thinks she just being a regular duplicitous Goa’uld.

Also wonder how Hestet is handling Paulmon, his actions, and the wider implications of Sarcophagus’s being usable with a little brain healing afterwords. Or the Tok’ra in general.

Also poor Bastet, the 2 most competent subordinates she’s probably ever had and neither are actual Goa’uld. (But Tok’ra are- Shut up, it’s funnier said that way.)

 

No. This issue is that they just got naquada reactor technology.

In the film Stargate the character was called Jack O'Neil. For some reason they changed it in the series to Jack O'Neill, and he remarks to a journalist that there's another guy with one 'l' and no sense of humour. The SI assumes that it uses the film spelling when it doesn't.

He's using the ring to see what's inside the room.

What he would stab into the brain of anyone who wanted him to fix sarcophagus damage.

That's a tricky one. I mean, how do you check? Bastet's host is a human woman, but there's no guarantee that Bastet the goa'uld is a goa'uld queen. Other goa'uld would generally call her 'lord', but the SI isn't sure which is best. I mean, Lord is an abbreviation of her title System Lord, but she's made a big deal about only having female jaffa fight for her.

 

There's no way the SGC would have allowed him on Earth with his ring.

And also, he shouldn't have gotten more then their stargate addresses from the SGC's computer system given they compartmentalized and air gaped with only physical access after the AI incident.

Edit: He also just violated the protected planets treaty, but I'm guessing you forgot about that.

There's no way the body would still be viable, Sarcophagus have time limits.

 

"Here at honest Mammons used spaceship dealership we got everything for your space fairing needs.
Death gliders, Tel'taks, the occasional Al'kesh and if you got the gold we may even be able to arrange a Ha'tak.
At honest Mammons we stand beside every deal."

O'Neill looked at the Merchant.
"Don't you mean stand behind every deal?"

An Al'kesh flies backwards into hyperspace.
"Not with these spaceships."

I can just imagine the look on Senator Kinsey's face when he see's that price tag.

"He want's HOW MUCH for a spaceship?"

"To be fair Senator this is for one of their battleships."

"You know we could just pass on the Ferrari and see if he has an economical station wagon."

Colonel O'Neill I don't think that is...

"No no Major Carter despite his attempt at humor the Colonel may have a good point, while one of these Haddock battleships..."

"Ha'tak sir."

"Right while one of these Ha'tak would be optimal perhaps we can get some technological insights from a smaller more affordable ship till you can find a way to safely secure one."

"So we just have to carjack some Gould of their tricked out spaceship."

"if that's what it takes Colonel, though please leave the eye patch and parrot at home."

"Well there goes that idea."

 

Do we even know how the Goa'uld actually reproduce? Supposedly the Queens spawn them, apparently asexually, but Heru'ur is explicitly called the son of Ra, not just of Hathor. Morrigan was known as female but apparently hid that she was a Queen. And I think there was a mention of a Queen that had multiple husbands or something?

So, are the Goa'uld actually agender except for the Queens? Or do they have 3 sexes, male, female and Queen? Or is it that the Queens can reproduce sexually and asexually?