With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

It's never explained how a Goa'uld turns into or becomes a queen.

But it's apparently complex enough a process that none of the Tok'ra can.

 

And don't forget, if a female host gives birth then the child gets the genetic memories.

Daniel Jackson says 'some of that is probably mine' after femforce kills Hathor's newspawned babies, which might mean that queens can use human genes in their goa'uld offspring. Or just that some of his material spilled out.

 

It's possible that Ra just raised him, but it is also possible that Ra contributed some of his genetic material towards his creation.

I think the Queens collect genetic material from new hosts so that their offspring will have an easier time taking them on as hosts.

Yeah, Queens are important in Goa'uld society, but they're also restricted.

I think they might be biologically agender, but personality wise they're gender fluid and generally have their preferences, either because they like the gender of the host they've selected, or because it's easier to rule their subjects.

Like taking a male host if the society they rule over is patriarchal, or a female host if the society is matriarchal.

 

Well yes, it's tricky, but it's weird to see Paulmon being so inconsistent about it. He's had a long time to pick an option and stick to it, probably by listening to how most people talk about/to Bastet and assuming the most common form of address is their preferred gender.

 

Of course the major reason why earth can't afford a Ha'tak is that a Ha'tak represents enough millitry power to conquer the earth (with heavy bombardment). Meaning that someone with a Ha'tak could just take what they want.

A better question would be why would the space snakes bother with asteroid mining when they have thousands of earth like planets that they are barely exploiting? Two hundred thousand tonnes of gold might seems like a lot when you have only been mining a single planet, but the space snakes have access to so many planets that it isn't even worthwhile to bother with deep mining or advanced mining technology. Easier to just find another place where gold/or whatever is just laying close to the surface in easy reach.

You can just move the Stargates after all just set up boom towns wherever the resources you want are.

 

The SGC doesn't even know the things his ring can do. They probably just think it's a tool that creates hard light constructs. As for the Treaty, good luck to 90s America discovering that its information was compromised by a hyper-advanced ring that literally runs on comic book science.

Regarding the subject of the body, is that implicit? The sarcophagus works with organic matter, I don't think there is an arbitrary time limit defining when a person can be revived or not as long as the body is well preserved. And if we talk about the loss of memories or psychological damage, even a person dead for a few hours should have psychological consequences in real life, which does not happen with the Sarcophagus in Stargate. I'll just assume it's Alteran magic and move on. The biggest limitation of the Sarcophagus in the show is precisely the possible mental contamination it can cause.

 

Standard security procedures for allowing Goa'uld on the base involves not allowing them to bring technology period, for the very reason that the SGC doesn't know what everything the Goa'uld have can and can't do.

If he refused to give up his "forcefield" they literally wouldn't have allowed him through the gate if they were being written true to source.

As for nobody discovering it, I would point out the SGC has people who would qualify in comic universes as Super Geniuses. And of course, you're ignoring the fact that the Asgard are in fact watching at this point in the Timeline.

If the battle was over, and SG1 was back at the SGC, it would have been days since she died.

Also, it was damage to the soul, not mental contamination, Ascended Jackson confirmed that.

 

I am getting flashbacks to a time when I was barely a teen.

The Sapient Goauld that became the system lords are either a mutation of the less intelligent wild Goauld of P3X-888 or far more likely a result of a desperate Alteran scientist that wanted to improve on the pseudo symbiotic Goauld abilities to regulate and improve their host health as a response to the plague that was killing the Alterans; and as a result Goauld society and reproduction isn't natural.

1. Goauld civilization raised during the fall of the Alterans.
2. Goauld queens are repositories of knowledge that can easily spread that stored knowledge to both its progeny and the progeny of ITS HOST, the kind of thing the Alterans would need to recover from the Plague.
3. Goauld have a symbiotic ability to regulate/improve their host health and attack pathogens.

Come on, considering how short sighted Alterans are, its almost a certainty that the Goauld were initially engineered to save the Alterans from the plague.

Modern Goauld have no idea this is their origin because the first queens decided to edit out that part of their origins from their memories.

Now in regards to Goauld society "Queens" are valuable, but they are also targets for everyone, is in the interest of all Goauld to obfuscate what "gender" they are even more so if they are breedable capable queens or bloated queens.

As far I remember Goauld can choose to start and stop reproducing there may be some hidden cost we aren't aware of, but its something a fair number of them can just do. Bloated Queens produce far more offspring but seem to be incapable of taking a host without slimming down first.

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I wrote all that during short breaks when I was at work, and its a little difficult to follow the train of thought I had...

I think the Goauld biological gender is tied to their life cycle and they can individually choose when to trigger the later stages and can even roll back to previous stages of their growth with some difficulty so long we assume they aren't just making a younger clone of themselves with all their memories in with case doing that probably can kill them before the process is complete (death of original and the clone) and this is why most of them don't do it.

 

They don't even know that Paul is using a ring. Paul has taken some pains to hide the tech giving him godlike power. He really doesn't want anyone to steal it or even have an idea of what exactly they should steal. Don't know where he is keeping the ring. I assume inside his body.

Also people seeing the orange construct snake are going to assume that it is some sort of Accendent.
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From the show although it is never stated I think that Ra had limitations on how many Ha'tak he allowed any other Goa'uld to have. At the beginning of the show it was rare for any of the system lords to have any and those who did had very few, but as the show goes on production really ramps up.

Might be the reason Sokar had so many more then everyone else wasn't that he had some special manufactory secret, but that his Cloaking devices allowed him to start build up a fleet long before Ra was killed. Likely to do his own take over.

 

Paul can't stop using his ring, he needs to keep the construct lantern constantly active to keep himself from mind overload.

He also has to use it to hide the fact that he's not a Goa'uld from people like Carter who can sense that.

They'll assume it's something alien and lock down the mountain till it's source is discovered and neutralized.

Just like they did when glowing alien bugs started showing up before.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

As construct Lanterns, they are powered independently from his lantern, which means that his own ring doesn't have to have any sort of glow for the construct gould in his stomach.

Which means that literally all they know is that he has a ring that may or may not ha eoccasio ally glowed in their presence. Or maybe they have some reports of it glowing when he does stuff bit Paul has been very keen that no one realize the stuff he does is his ring.

I don't know enough about Stargate to comment otherwise.

 

He's shown no ability to hide the energy signatures of his constructs.

But also, even just the little bits you named would be enough for the SGC to veto him coming through their gate.

Because ways the Goa'uld have attempted to kill everybody on Earth have involved multiple almost undetectable body smuggled methods. And they very much stopped taking chances after the first two.

 

Lacking the ability to detect emotional spectrum energy, the only orange glow from his constructs would be literally when the construct is out in the open. The construct being inside his body is enough to hide the orangeness. There is no energy line like when the Illustres does those string things to remotely do constructs, because that's nit how construct lanterns made from assimilate work.

As I said, I lack knowledge of SG to comment so I can only /shrug.

 

If you lack knowledge of Stargate, why are you assuming they can't detect constructs?

 

Because he's not making up fictional plot points for this fictional crossover in this fictional universe to assume the author has ruined the entire story forever by missing this crucial detail of SG canon that cannot be overlooked no matter what even though you made it up completely because there's no canon DC/SG crossover so they can't detect power ring energy unless the author says otherwise.

 

Because emotional spectrum energy requires a technology base that seems divorced from Stargates tech base, otherwise all the other aliens who use energy detecting devices would realize all the new stuff that 'Mammon' can do originate from his ring.
Assuming SGC's higher tech level (higher then the rest of the planet, that is) is based off of/stolen from the Goauld/Tokra, then if the Goauld can't detect the energy/the energy source, SGC can't either.

Edit: At the moment, no Goauld has called Paulmon out on his Power Ring (that we have seen, that is). My current (though possibly incorrect) take is that they literally can't tell its the ring and not him (if they can detect it in the first place), which means at minimum they can't localize where the power comes from.

 

How about you don't put assumptions in other people's mouths? Because I never even inferred anything of the sort. And yes, the author can just have whatever they want happen. But that's not a good thing. In fact, it's a quick was to kill a story. Which is why pointing out XYZ thing worked XYZ way in XYZ setting is something that's helpful when the writer has out right admitted it's been a very very long time since they saw any of the show.

Also. Just because I feel like you crossed a line with the aggressiveness of your response.

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There was in fact a small canon DC/SG crossover in Superman: Doomed.

 

This is the only thing worth responding to, and my response is to look at Zoat’s track record of killing stories vs your complaints, and laugh

 

They aren't very good at that in the source material. S3E3 involves Nirrti -- who the team already distrust beyond the extent they hate other Goa'uld, since she was introduced earlier killing off a large village and putting a bomb in a kid's brain -- managing to sneak in an invisibility device, very similar to one that they'd already encountered with S2E22 when wielded by Hathor.

 

Yup, but this is after S3E10.

So the S3E3 cloaking device would have already happened, provoking the increased security when dealing with the Goa'uld that we should be seeing.

 

Less competition and less of a chance of the Goa'uld exposing themselves.

It's not like there are a lot of things to be proud of as a Goa'uld.

The regular Goa'uld don't exactly have much common sense.

"Have to get"

I'm sensing another debate.

 

I swear I'm hearing his voice when I read that. Very much loving the SG1 storyline, please keep it up.

 

I'll admit, this is the conversation I was waiting on the most.

Edit: I now see Pammon thinking about what the definition of insanity is after hearing that line.

 

He's an effectively immortal being with an eons long memory and a fucking power ring.

For all intents and purposes? a god.

 

Someone should tell Teal'c that given he's had his a lot longer than that.

Bratac too.

I hope you at least play Jack straight here and have him call out all of Paul's bullshit.

 

Zoat, in the spoiler box there's no link for part 17.

There are links for part 18 to 20 but they don't work.

 

Goauld are capable of ascension, the same as humans, right?

 

Anubus was able to do it, so yes.

However it may potentially be harder for them given their sociopathic nature.

 

But if you take away his Power Ring, he is just a man.

With the help of someone already ascended yes, but we don't know if they're capable of ascending without help.