With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Either he no longer has it, or he is only using Ringnestro because using fear is better in this situation than using avarice for some reason.

 

Oh, he's still got it. But there was a period where he didn't have it and got used to using the yellow ring, and he's perfectly aware of the mental alterations that orange light use can cause.

 

Sad yet wise.

 

Never saw the DCEU, so I have no idea what's going on, but I'm enjoying seeing Grayven travelling the multiverse, meddling with other continuities. Wonder if he'll visit 2002's Birds of Prey or 2004's Batman? Especially since Zoat previously stated that his storyline ends with him screaming at the Source Wall, which made me a bit nervous something bad would happen to him down the line. Though I have to ask, will we see Grayven visit the world of JL:G&M or was that whole thing just a joke post?

Admittedly unrelated to the rest of the current episode, but I have question. Could construct-lantern Am-heh talk? Teekl was able to and she definitely couldn't talk english or even people until she got assimilated. Minor, but I'm curious.

 

I don't remember either Paul or the Renegade assimilating someone named Am-heh. Can you point out when that happened?

 

That's the Goa'uld that Paulmon assimilated, in the Stargate segments obviously.

 

If you want proper scalie bois, just go back a bit before dinos to the time of crocodiliformes. They look like "classic" dinos.

Previously in the story it was mentioned that New Gods don't suffer from those sorts of power ring effects.

 

They don't. But he doesn't know that for sure.

No, because goa'uld can't talk.

 

Neither could Xalitan Xor.

 

I had the same thought, but Zoat means for acting purposes, Goa’uld can’t talk without a host.

It would be very suspicious if he was the only one that could.

 

Now I'm wondering how familiar Billy is with the comic, and therefore if he might accurately predict PR!OL's next moves, and either support or try to interfere?

 

So, is a Paul going to play at Grayven-ing? Being evil? Or is he going to try Assimilating the potion-maker, since he won’t be permanently stuck like that?

 

"There was a"

 

If I was clever, I’d be able to come up with a way for any technology schematics Paul uploads to be replicated. Without getting deleted with him. Something about the fact that people aren’t going to forget Paul, lose their memories of him, seems like a clue.

I wonder if Paul could just stop, like a robot that is out of power, when his time comes. Meaning a recharge of magical energy will boot him back up. I can see that leading to a novel kind of Orange Lantern. One with less baggage than the gold lantern, who was enslaved to the anti-green ring.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

This makes no sense. Uploading into a local computer really ought to work, for the same reason that the conversation will stay in Pink's memory. This show would be a lot weirder if the effects of, say, remembering fighting a monster were reversed - less Power Rangers, more Antimemetics. So either there are protected classes of interactions or the magic does an active revert- and can maybe be induced to not do so.

 

I’m not saying he should carpet bomb the moon and throw the remnants into the sun, but since it gets undone it’s not like he’s permanently killing anyone and might traumatize the villains into
stopping to boot

 

It makes sense it would be her, given that she showed the most compassion earlier. I see they've at least relaxed around him, too, if they're interacting with him in civilian forms. I mean, otherwise, she'd just be a pretty girl talking to the weird moody guy out of nowhere.

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He can be excused for being a little moody.

Only when it plays a part in a story somehow. Off-screen stuff doesn't exist, that sort of thing.

Hey, she's not that dumb. Not quite as bookish as Billy, but she's no fool.

Talking about the Holodeck's occasional manifestation of AI, like Moriarty?

Heh, I think she could feel the 'I'm talking to an idiot' tone in his voice...

...The sentiment is appreciated, even if the delivery makes the US Postal Service look good.

Eh, she's probably used to it from Billy. When he starts talking fancy, the others just smile and nod.

Well, I guess that puts the kibosh on 'build machines to build the machines he needs.' To be fair, there's no guarantee anything in his tech database would work in this universe, given odd physics interactions.

Sadly, going and slapping Rita around until she either helps to sustain him or surrenders to Zordon isn't viable... Is it?

Especially when you add in a Power Ring.

Ah, there's a more OL response.

What would you have him do? Go gallivanting around a planet he's seen plenty of in his comic world? Wander off into space to presumably fade away out there?

Less than twenty years, at this point. And the whole process isn't exactly perfect.

And a person's response to that question says a lot about them, doesn't it?

Teenagers. Thinking they're basically immortal, even in her line of work.

Which Supergirl? There was like five last time we saw. Not that she reads comics, she's too cool for that.

I do hope more haven't shown up yet... Ideally that little leakage has sealed itself.

Dealing with 'bloody normies' as a Comic Book geek is pain, I know.

It did not do well. Especially after Superman III went down like a brick.

Though it did catch some of the Silver Age beats, like the home city having been blasted off Krypton whole. Everything else? Yeah...

Hey, she tried. But... Popular girl of the nineties dealing with comic-book guy come to life? Uphill battle.

Ah, the joy of being basically lost. Now imagine if you hadn't had any DC metaknowledge at all?

Which makes about as much sense as anything magical, really.

Ah, so he could try and go beat up Rita. Whether it would work is up in the air.

I suspect Billy would be a little worried at this point, given he at least knows what OL can get up to if unsupervised...

And Zordon is probably feeling a cold sweat as he reads up on OL and discovers just what sort of person he is.

Oh, boy, is Rita ever going to have a headache after this day. Especially if OL turns out to be more impressive than Baboo realised when he tried to summon him. ...And I just realised I assumed that's what he had planned to do. What if he'd been trying to call forth something nastier from the comic and got OL by accident?

 

Is it me or that was some really awkward conversation?

At least it seems like this Copy-Paul now has an idea or direction. If it's magic that he needs to keep existing, the best source is precisely the one that originally provided it or something similar.

Does he know where Rita's base is exactly or will he have to search for it on the Moon? Like, is it hidden or protected in anyway, or are they that cocky/idiotic to just not bother with it?

 

I feel like Paul is misinterpreting the information, while he is a facsimile of Paragon Paul, he can’t be a fake because he has information pertaining to the reality of power rangers that neither Baboo or Rita could have given him. Therefore while his template exists in the dc universe, it technically isn’t wrong that he is not a fictional character.

 

"Same with putting my mind into a really powerful computer. I'd have to build it with local parts and program it with…" I shake my head. "Basically, it's not viable. And the little magic I can do myself doesn't appear to work here due to this being a different universe."

He didn't state it was inherently impossible, he was claiming he couldn't do it with the local technology.

Now that part seems iffy to me, considering Zordon and Alpha 5 made the Robot Rangers, apparently sapient robots with the memories and personalities of the Turbo Rangers.

So even if Zordon doesn't have the technology right here and now, apparently the requisite technology should exist.

 

That was pretty much what I was thinking. The very fact that he has knowledge of shit that hasn't happened yet in the PR universe, stuff that he as a "comic book character" from a comic made in-universe, has no right to actually know, means that there is more going on than just him being a fictional being magically brought to life.

Those were made on the planet Eltar, Zordon's home planet. It's reasonable to assume that Zordon simply doesn't have access to the means of producing them right now.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this before.

Zoat, you've got Zordon from the Power Rangers Movie mixed up with canon Zordon. Movie Zordon needed his tube to live, canon Zordon doesn't. The reason canon Zordon needs his tube is because back when he beat Rita 10,000 years ago, it was a mutual KO. Zordon sealed Rita and her crew in the space dumpster, while Rita sealed Zordon into some sort of "time warp" that exists outside of normal space-time. Canon Zordon uses his tube to communicate with normal reality, but he's not actually in the tube. At least until the Liarian wizard Lerigot free's Zordon from the time warp so that he can return to his home planet and his family(and allowing Zordon to be replaced with Dimitria).

Of course, then Dark Specter and the United Alliance of Evil invades Eltar, captures Zordon and imprisons him in another tube so that he can be slowly drained of his power(which is why he's back to being in a tube during In Space).

 

Oh, he still needs the technology.

There's a Wormfic somewhere around here where Taylor gets Necron technology, and the tinkertech review board keeps turning her inventions down for being too deadly. In the end they approve a cleaning machine which drops waste material into a pocket dimension because it won't be used in combat. One of the reviewers expresses surprise at her designing something so safe... And then another reviewer points out that there's no way out of the pocket dimension and no food, water or air there.

 

‘I think’?

In addition to him supposedly having to build the technology, maybe it’s because people store their memories in their souls and a computer doesn’t? No idea how feasible that is, I don’t know shit about Power Rangers lore.

 

Paul’s knowledge of local magic is non-existent. The closest thing to a local expert he has spoken to admits they have no clue what happened or how it works. Paul knows the multiverse is a very big place and its complexity has thus far defeated even the most advanced intellects imaginable.
So where the heck does he get this irrational certainty that he was created by the potion rather than summoned through it?
Particularly when this is the day he was expecting reality to be especially wibbly wobbly?

 

The DCU has a built in explanation, even: In Grant Morrison's Multiversity, our world is merely one in the multiverse, and the multiverses connect through comics, as the story of one universe resonates through themultuversal uncomcious, and inspires writers in another to chronicle it. One world's reality, another world's fiction. Hilariously, that's not even Morrison's metsfiction obession: Remember why Barry Allan chose his name and costume back in his first apperance? Because he was a fan of Golden Age Flash comic books, the same Golden Age Flash he himself would later meet in another universe. And he offers that explanation. In an infinite multiverse, some realities will appear to match other's fiction.

 

Imagine if he goes to Rita to hear her side of the story. She wants to conquer the world for Lord Zedd, right? What are their policies for governing it? Would it really be a bad thing if they took over? Oh sure they're evil alright, but looking at our own world with its corrupt politicians and greedy corporations at least Rita and Zedd are honest about being evil.

 

But did Zordon not confirm that he is, in fact, a magical construct? An artificial lifeform created from the comic and powered by magic? He said to not be as knowledgeable about the Alchemy but he did seem certain about the nature of Copy-Paul and that anything he used his powers on would have no permanence.

I personally wouldn't take Baboo or Rita to be experts in comics, and only one issue was used instead of a whole collection, so the memories he has of Earth 16 couldn't have been just implanted by them. As such, it could be that the comic issue was used as a medium not only for the creation but also to draw a copy of the Illustres' memories into the magical construct.

Unless we are taking the option that Zordon doesn't actually know shit and was totally lying in the meeting they had, in which case, yeah, why would he think he has an expiration date? He should just be looking for a way back, no need to waste time on trying to prolong his existence.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Does he know for certain? No. On the basis of the evidence available to him is it the most likely explanation? Yes.

Zordon isn't familiar with the exact magic used, but he is familiar with the sort of things magic can do and how it does it. He's a good deal more familiar with parallel universe stuff, and is reasonably confident that his sensors would detect that.