Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Greymere]

Or any appropriate artifacts or Name interference.

Neighnia is right there fully remember.

Having Jade a Seeker go up against a fully there Name is not a match up I'd say Velvet would be comfortable with. Especially with Winters protective qualities.

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Nothing about Winter would suggest that it is at all useful in regards to defending against RotT. It's the Lore of defending against mental attacks, of which RotT is certainly not.

 

[Greymere]

Also I just want to point out @Shaper47, despite you talking like your plan has Baldomare scrying Copper, that isn't even probably going to be the case. Because what you have in your plan is something that should be optimally done by a Lantern follower (RotT) and something that should be optimally done by a SH follower (book search) in order to get what you actually want out of it (i.e. Level 3+ Heart books).

Or, in other words, despite you acting like your plan has Baldomare scrying instead of Jade, Jade is probably still going to end up being the one scrying because Baldomare can actually get good results out of the book search and Jade can't without a lot of luck.

 

[Maer]

[X] Plan Time's Up - Rarity Working
[X] Plan Time's Up - Rarity Searching

[X] A tighter security detail, at all times

 

[Rafuki22]

@OurLadyOfWires can Velvet still study books even when dancing with death?

 

[Solace2117]

I don't see how this is related at all.

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Because I don't think it's a good idea to hold prisoners for multiple turns when we're in the early stages of integrating the Bureau.

 

[Greymere]

@OurLadyOfWires can Velvet still study books even when dancing with death?

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I imagine so? Well, maybe not the ones that need deciphering, since they're in another language and I think Velvet has been leaning on her hoof-reading for those. But if we wanted to clear out the low-level books, I don't imagine why not. I think we'd have like a 70 - 80% chance for each book, since we'd be rolling X + 12 (Learning) + 5 (Well Read) + 5 to 15 (Artifact) -> X + 22 to 32.

Edit:

Current Secret Library Levels
MOTH: Level 1 ( [1/1] )
LANTERN: Level 2 ( [Baldomare] + [6/2] )
FORGE: Level 2 ( [3/1] + [4/2] + [3/3] )
EDGE: Level 1 ( [3/1] )
WINTER: Level 1 ( [2/1] )
HEART: Level 2 ( [Mareinette] + [2/2 + 2/2] + [3/3] )
GRAIL: Level 2 ( [Mareinette] + [2/2 + 3/2] )
SECRET HISTORIES: Level 1 ( [Baldomare] + [3/2] )
KNOCK: Level 2 ( [Daughter-of-Axes] + [1/2 + 3/2] + [2/3] )

Secret Library Levels Post-Reading Low Level Books
MOTH: Level 1 ( [1/1] )
LANTERN: Level 2 ( [Baldomare] + [6/2] )
FORGE: Level 2 ( [1/1] + [4/2] + [3/3 + 3/3] )
EDGE: Level 1 ([1/1] + [3/2] )
WINTER: Level 1 ( [2/1] )
HEART: Level 2 ( [Mareinette] + [1/2 + 3/2] + [2/3 + 2/3] )
GRAIL: Level 2 ( [Mareinette] + [2/2 + 3/2] )
SECRET HISTORIES: Level 1 ( [Baldomare] + [3/2] )
KNOCK: Level 2 ( [Daughter-of-Axes] + [1/2 + 3/2] + [2/3 + 2/3] )

There'd be no actual change in Library levels, but it'd put us one manuscript (or Level 4+ book, for Edge, or Level 3+ book, for Forge) away from Edge 1 -> Edge 2 and Forge 2 -> Forge 3. If we eventually get around to reading the Knock 5 book, that would put it at Knock 3 as long as DoA is summoned.

 

[AuthorTransient]

The plans I mostly agree with have fiddly bits that I disagree with. Damnation.

• I prefer no Grail influence.
• I prefer Selene get her Winter realization.
• I prefer Jade doing Memory of Light rather than Outsider. Presumably, Outsider is a difficult task that Jade might suffer from not making complete progress.
• We don't need a reprehensible pony for the Moth Sacrament, since it doesn't kill them. Well, I suppose we could do the Moth and Lantern Sacrament to the same prisoner, which is an amusing thought.

It's a long shot, but I'll make my own plan and then try to gather enough votes to win. I won't, but it's a good way to give me peace of mind.

I imagine so? Well, maybe not the ones that need deciphering, since they're in another language and I think Velvet has been leaning on her hoof-reading for those. But if we wanted to clear out the low-level books, I don't imagine why not. I think we'd have like a 70 - 80% chance for each book, since we'd be rolling X + 12 (Learning) + 5 (Well Read) + 5 to 15 (Artifact) -> X + 22 to 32.

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I suppose, but we wouldn't have our Winter levels to give better protection from Fascination and Dread.

 

[Greymere]

The plans I mostly agree with have fiddly bits that I disagree with. Damnation.

• I prefer no Grail influence.
• I prefer Selene get her Winter realization.
• I prefer Jade doing Memory of Light rather than Outsider. Presumably, Outsider is a difficult task that Jade might suffer from not making complete progress.
• We don't need a reprehensible pony for the Moth Sacrament, since it doesn't kill them. Well, I suppose we could do the Moth and Lantern Sacrament to the same prisoner, which is an amusing thought.

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Mine does three out of the four, just saying

I suppose, but we wouldn't have our Winter levels to give better protection from Fascination and Dread.

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That's only for high-level books. The low level ones (all of the ones we have are < Level 3) don't carry those kinds of threats considering they're literally just like. Mundane handbooks about e.g. camping that Velvet can wring occult knowledge out of because she's the protagonist she's weird like that.

 

[DelightedOne]

Well, maybe not the ones that need deciphering, since they're in another language and I think Velvet has been leaning on her hoof-reading for those.

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She does the translation manually and checks with her Lantern Realization. It would be weird if she couldn't decipher the books by studying and needed Lantern 3 for it.

I swear every time I try to understand those calculations I trick myself into believing I'm right.

I was so sure that Edge 1 book would put the Library at edge 2 since the Edge 3 book we have is double the Value(2 scraps) because of the two levels between 1 and 3. Same with Forge.

The plans I mostly agree with have fiddly bits that I disagree with. Damnation.

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Understandable, but the Winter Realization will always happen if Selene invests 1 action in training since her Diligent trait makes her train 1 action for free. So as long as the plan you want only uses 1 Selene action for whatever that isn't training she will complete it.

 

[AuthorTransient]

Security Detail:
[X] A tighter security detail, at all times.

Mine does three out of the four, just saying

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[] Plan Time's Up - Rarity Searching
Fine. Rarity better at least send a postcard wishing us better.

EDIT: Screw it, prison.
[X] Plan Time's Up - Rarity Digging

Understandable, but the Winter Realization will always happen if Selene invests 1 action in training since her Diligent trait makes her train 1 action for free. So as long as the plan you want only uses 1 Selene action for whatever that isn't training she will complete it.

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Wouldn't it be better to lock the Winter Realization and then have her Diligent trait train 1 action for free?

 

[Greymere]

She does the translation manually and checks with her Lantern Realization. It would be weird if she couldn't decipher the books by studying and needed Lantern 3 for it.

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Ahhh gotcha. Probably still not a good idea though, considering that massive penalty.

I swear every time I try to understand those calculations I trick myself into believing I'm right.

I was so sure that Edge 1 book would put the Library at edge 2 since the Edge 3 book we have is double the Value(2 scraps) because of the two levels between 1 and 3. Same with Forge.

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Iirc, the 'ideal' set up for the Library is for the books to go ( [1/1] + [2/2 + 2/2] + [3/3 + 3/3 + 3/3] ) and so on and so forth. It's a little weird how it works out when you start mixing different level books though.

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

I think higher level scraps count as double for the library if they are filling in for lower level slots thou. Like if Velvet made a manuscript for Moth it would be Moth 4, capable of filling in the second level 2/2 slot by itself, the third level 2/3 etc.

Their a reason the Master wanted Velvet to write manuscrips, it by far the easiest and fastest way to train people more then 2 people in the lores. Which is an option we should consider using for the bureau. But not Lantern that is forbidden for the Bureau, as it would level up Celestia.

 

[DelightedOne]

Wouldn't it be better to lock the Winter Realization and then have her Diligent trait train 1 action for free?

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It makes no difference what we tell her to train, she only has 2 training actions left to do, so Diligent takes care of 1 and we tell her to do another. Result: Training complete.

 

[Sveta08]

But more importantly, you won't have a chance to run "damage control" with your family and friends this turn because you will stay at zero health until the END of the turn.

Come next turn, there will probably be Fleeting Opportunities to address your family and friends. But don't put the cart ahead of the pony. Right now, you still look like a corpse. And I think the last few updates make it very clear how debilitated you are. Trying to console your family while you are still in that situation is a waste of time at best, and damaging at worst.

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Curses
But, reasonable. Then will have to reconsider most of Velvet's plan this turn.

 

[Greymere]

Higher level scraps count as double for the library if they are filling in for lower level slots thou. Like if Velvet made a manuscript for Moth it would be Moth 4, capable of filling in the second level 2/2 slot by itself, the third level 2/3 etc.

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Not exactly. I don't remember exactly how Bird explained it on the original thread, but it basically amounts to that you need x^2 book levels per set, where x is the Level you're working toward.

So to go from Level 0 to Level 1, you need 1^2 book levels, so one total book level in the Level 1 set [1/1]. To go from Level 1 to Level 2, you need 2^2 book levels, so four, which could be [2/2 + 2/2] but also something like [1/2 + 3/2] or [4/2]. To go from Level 2 to Level 3 you'd need nine, which could be [3/3 + 3/3 + 3/3] or [4/3 + 5/3] or technically even nine individual Level 1 books.

Though iirc, excess book levels from the previous set don't overflow into the next set. So even if we have [6/2] in the Level 1 -> Level 2 set like for Lantern, those two extra book levels don't carry over into the Level 2 -> Level 3 progress.

Edit: Fun fact, this makes the cumulative total number of book levels needed for each level, assuming no wasted book levels:

Level 1: 1 book level
Level 2: 5 book levels
Level 3: 14 book levels
Level 4: 30 book levels
Level 5: 55 book levels
Level 6: 91 book levels
Level 7: 140 book levels

 

[Earth-Destroyer]

The way I understand it is you need 1 scrap of any level to get to level 0, 1 Scrap of Level 1 to get the library to level 1, 2 level two scraps to get to library 2, 3 level three scraps to get the library to level 3. 4 forth level scraps to get to library level 4. for all lores.

A scrap of level 2 can count for the 0,1,2 places but not higher then that. so if we have 2 level two scraps and a single level 1 scrap it would go (0 level 1 scrap) Level 1 then eats a single level 2 scrap, leaving a single 2 level for leaving the library at 1/2 to reach level 2. And should we later get got a level 1 scrap later on it would replace the level 2 scrap on the level 1 area, bringing the library to level 2 overall.

 

[Venerable Ro]

Come next turn, there will probably be Fleeting Opportunities to address your family and friends. But don't put the cart ahead of the pony. Right now, you still look like a corpse. And I think the last few updates make it very clear how debilitated you are. Trying to console your family while you are still in that situation is a waste of time at best, and damaging at worst.

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Well that recontextualizes things, I suppose I over-estimated the efficacy of modern magical medicine and Mareinette's personal attentions.

On the other hand, she did have to put our brain back together, and all signs point to an eventual full recovery. I'll admit I'm impressed even if I'm still disappointed.

Ah well, only a fool ignores the direct advice of his DM. Once more unto the theory crafting then, I'm sure I can figure out something advantageous about being a bedridden near-corpse.

Alas that Talon and I's plan didn't get much traction, plainly more practice is needed.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Biedde is a professional.

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A professional who left our gate and door wide open, leading to this mess.

Come next turn, there will probably be Fleeting Opportunities to address your family and friends. But don't put the cart ahead of the pony. Right now, you still look like a corpse. And I think the last few updates make it very clear how debilitated you are. Trying to console your family while you are still in that situation is a waste of time at best, and damaging at worst.

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No
Don't you dare
These people will throw away a perfectly good turn and Name Friending progress for this
They have 0 self control for FOs

Curses
But, reasonable. Then will have to reconsider most of Velvet's plan this turn.

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Study our Artifacts. A level 2 Knock Artifact makes summoning more viable for all of our friends! And some books too, I guess.

Alas that Talon and I's plan didn't get much traction, plainly more practice is needed.

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You didn't even vote for our alliance, so this is no surprise. Such rank betrayal, you must love the Lion Smith.

 

[Venerable Ro]

You didn't even vote for our alliance, so this is no surprise. Such rank betrayal, you must love the Lion Smith.

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I posted it, that counts as a vote, you can see my name right there next to yours on the tally.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

I posted it, that counts as a vote, you can see my name right there next to yours on the tally.

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Huh. I didn't know that being the first to post a plan made it count as a vote. Thought it would need Xs. My apologies.

 

[spiderhellian]

If we are doing a study action, we should probably go for the Lantern artefact (and then knock) over low-level books? It's damn inefficient to be studying but we've got decent odds of getting it done and the scrap would be nice as well.

 

[Sveta08]

Study our Artifacts. A level 2 Knock Artifact makes summoning more viable for all of our friends! And some books too, I guess.

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Agreed. I can't remember if there were rolls needed to idenify artifacts though, so bear that in mind. But, I would say for both the Knock and Lantern, for summoning and scrying.


Draft: What is Left (4 Actions, 1 free Social)

- [GRAIL] This action has been offered to Mareinette
-[WOUNDED] Take a few breaks, every now and then. (Costs 1 action. Rolls TWO dice. 0/-15)
- There is no holy grail for healing magic, no miraculous wound-closing spell. But vigor-enhancing spells, and other small boosts, are a thing. The crystals where they are stored for sale are expensive, though… (Costs 60 bits. Two dice will auto-succeed)
-[] [LEARN] There is something about this… thing, and you must learn what it is
--[] KNOCK Level 2 artifact
--[] LANTERN Level 4 artifact
-[] [SOCIAL] Spend time with Mayor Mare, the de-factor ruler of Ponyville.


Edit:
Found the part where Velvet examined the Rug, it was Turn 3 Part 2. There is a roll involved in it, and CD was at 50 for a Lv 3 Artifact. Learning applies (+12) as does Level of Source. So, if it's at fixed DC, the Lantern Artifact is guaranteed. If not, then dunno.
Also of note, studying the Heart Artifact gave us Heart Scraps. Maybe studying the Knock Artifact will give us Knock Scraps, and we won't need Axe's Lesson next turn?

 

[Shaper47]

I'm wondering what people are thinking about for the budget.

If we want Rarity to take a commission next turn we really should have her working on her career this turn.

Not a problem if people are fine telling Names to go make bits with no restrictions but some people have a problem with that.

Given how we'd want books for heart and forge, have this great opportunity for Maids of Light not to mention Reagents. Well we need more bits.

 

[spiderhellian]

If we want Rarity to take a commission next turn we really should have her working on her career this turn.

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I think we should give Rarity some credit. She's Grail 3, Forge 1 now. She should have a good chance of doing fine on her career roll even if she's not auto-succeeding.

The main bit-expenditure upcoming will be Beneath the Royal Castle pt. 3, which is pricey, but also not urgent. Unless you think it'll give a ritual space

-[] [LEARN] There is something about this… thing, and you must learn what it is
--[] KNOCK Level 2 artifact
--[] LANTERN Level 4 artifact

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Also of note, studying the Heart Artifact gave us Heart Scraps. Maybe studying the Knock Artifact will give us Knock Scraps, and we won't need Axe's Lesson next turn?

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Lantern definitely takes priority. We only get scraps if the source is >= our current level, so we won't get scraps from the Knock artefact, but will from the Lantern.

 

[Pittauro]

It's not really feasible this turn, but we should really start sending people out to look for expeditions to clear out.

Also didn't Bird mention that there's an easy expedition near Ponyville somewhere that rewards a Level 5 artifact of some kind?

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or, you know, book searches in Ponyville for both heart 3 AND expedition books.

Baldomare and Jade can of course scry for most anything we might ever want too.

It would be an even better use for a Secret Histories Confidant...

if we had one!

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If only we got Stormchaser actions!

It's old news by now, but I got morbidly curious and ran this through a proper calculator (chance of d100 beating another d100 with such and such bonuses):
Chance of losing the clash by 50 or more ~ 1.7%
Chance of losing the clash by 54 or more ~1.1%
In summary, Velvet Covers tried the classic XCOM "99%" shot and missed.

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as I repeatedly said... we took SOME risks this turn (church while same turn we risked being attacked), But we also took a LOT of precautions (Mareinette guard, Biedde summoning, Edge influence), so while there's definitely an argument that we risked too much... we were also REALLY really unlucky.

It COULD have been worse (if Copper had sent more Windigoes or more thugs, for example), but really, it shouldn't have gone that badly with the precautions we took.

As far as I remember, almost no "family actions" you took ever used Grail. Maybe the one where you tried to mend your relationship with Stormchaser did? But other than that, I don't remember rolling Grail dice when you spent time with your family. So I don't think a Grail influence would be important for that.

But more importantly, you won't have a chance to run "damage control" with your family and friends this turn because you will stay at zero health until the END of the turn.

Come next turn, there will probably be Fleeting Opportunities to address your family and friends. But don't put the cart ahead of the pony. Right now, you still look like a corpse. And I think the last few updates make it very clear how debilitated you are. Trying to console your family while you are still in that situation is a waste of time at best, and damaging at worst.

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ok, so no point in family action this turn, maybe the next one.

...we'll need to go at least double cover your bases next time, we really need the extra actions.

Side note, I think we "grailed" Stormchaser for a night of passion at some point, but I might be misremembering. I vaguely remember him appreciating Velvet's Grail at some point, but maybe it was not the influence and just that we had gone up in Grail in that turn...

...it's kinda funny, Rarity is more aware of Velvet's grail than her husband! such scandal!

If you succeed in a Forge Redemption to take away your scar, your gain the health that "scarred" was keeping away from you.

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good to know. so if we were willing to take the risk on Biedde we COULD face his challenge directly (with all the obvious risks), or more reasonably we can assume we do that ritual early in the update and we'd be at 3/3 for the rest of it.

Yeah I don't think we're going to have enough free AP to finish DoA's Sacrament on T21.

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eh, depends on what we're willing to give up.

4 basic actions, probably +2 from cover your bases at best, we just can't afford +3.

Constables action is likely a no, they'll be needed either for Changelings OR for Cult assault.

So, 6 actions max.

1)Study Lantern/Knock
2)Forge Ritual

those are basically a must. We're also near certain to have AT LEAST 1, possibly 2 Fleeting Opportunity actions for family/Cadance/Luna/Friends.

that leaves, AT BEST, 2 actions.

I think there's a chance of us completing Axe in 2 actions, but it's certainly not a guarantee.

If we fail, she gets desummoned again, we need to resummon her a turn later to finish the sacrament on turn 23, and I imagine we'd instead finish SH on turn 22 (or Edge. or both).

Summoning requirements: KNOCK 120, EDGE 60, WINTER 60.

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At least the ritual should be fairly easy?

Knock 2 artifact gives +20. a single Key gives +30.

Let Biedde do it.

Edge: Autosuccess on anything but nat1-

Winter: +30. make a winter 3 reagent?

Knock: 30+20+30= +80...

ok, I suppose Biedde is not THAT suited to it.


oh, wait, SELENE!

General +30, AND she'd be knock-edge-winter 4 by then!

EDGE: autosuccess on anything but nat1

Winter: autosuccess on anything but TWO nat1s in a row

Knock: 30+40+30 = +100. needs a 20. has a reroll.

make a knock lvl 1 or 2 reagent, or use a second Wrong Key, and she basically autosucceeds the ritual!




that works pretty well narratively. She'd even be better than Velvet!

Edit: Actually if we're still literally corpse-like while we're doing socials to the point it could be actively detrimental to our friends and family, then maybe we should only stick to the free social except for whatever Mareinette is doing.

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we can still "use" our appearance to get concessions and "pity points" so to speak.

In other words, I think that with Grail it can still be worth it to meet Mayor Mare, the Rich couple, and maybe Applejack.

The only real alternatives we have to social is searching for books, for expeditions, or studying artifacts/books with a significant efficiency malus. I dislike the idea, though I suppose studying the Knock and Lantern artifacts wouldnt' be the worst idea.

It's not "even more people", as far as I can tell, the same people who don't want to take the personal Grail Sacrament also are the ones that don't want to take the alukite's Grail Sacrament. Because they're both unpleasant for very different reasons.

And besides, you know what a great solution is to the very distant problem of what to do when we eventually dig up four Grail scraps somewhere? Reach victory before it ever becomes a meaningful question.

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for the record, I'm all for Baldomare Lantern (simple and easy really, just give her two Mares we summon just for that! They can even do their normal actions before the expedition!), and I'm slightly more willing to do Mareinette Grail than Personal Grail but still hate them both.

I'm kind of against winter sacrament too, but I'm starting to... not care that much about it. 3 random lives might be worth the power boost, and it gives us access to the resting place of the Sun-in-Rags, which might be valuable. I imagine there's likely the Winter Heirloom there...


IF/WHEN we run out of other sacraments to pursue, MAYBE I'll consider grail. But considering we have SH, Knock, Edge, Moth, Lantern, Forge and Winter that are all available with some effort

I highly, highly doubt that Copper has enough wards to really contest a +53 w/ reroll. That would require to have gotten her cult up to both Forge 3 and Moth 3 without a Loremaster and in the immediate chaos of the sudden dissolution of the cult, then getting attacked twice, then preparing to attack us.

Jade should be sufficient, and ultimately Bird is the one to optimize anyway. And objectively, Baldomare is better doing the Outsider search than vice versa.

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considering Bird's frustration for "please go and reach the Glory PLEASE", yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll put old Baldie on Outsider.

Having Jade a Seeker go up against a fully there Name is not a match up I'd say Velvet would be comfortable with. Especially with Winters protective qualities.

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winter protects the mind. if you wanted to defend from scrying you'd need Moth.

If we were scrying Neighnia directly I imagine we'd have problems, but we're searching for Copper, so it SHOULD be fine.

• I prefer Selene get her Winter realization.

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keep in mind that Selene also has the third action she uses on training. So even if we don't pick Winter ourselves she might do it on her own.

• We don't need a reprehensible pony for the Moth Sacrament, since it doesn't kill them. Well, I suppose we could do the Moth and Lantern Sacrament to the same prisoner, which is an amusing thought.

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well, moth on leashed good friend was described as being fairly cruel, so the target being someone we wouldnt' feel guilt about is still better.

 

[Waela]

Huh. I didn't know that being the first to post a plan made it count as a vote. Thought it would need Xs. My apologies.

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Just posting it doesn't count, you were right, but nothing stops someone from editing the Xs in afterwards, thereby making it count.

[X] Plan Time's Up - Rarity Searching
[X] A tighter security detail, at all times

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

I think we should give Rarity some credit. She's Grail 3, Forge 1 now. She should have a good chance of doing fine on her career roll even if she's not auto-succeeding.

The main bit-expenditure upcoming will be Beneath the Royal Castle pt. 3, which is pricey, but also not urgent. Unless you think it'll give a ritual space


Lantern definitely takes priority. We only get scraps if the source is >= our current level, so we won't get scraps from the Knock artefact, but will from the Lantern.

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However, a Knock Artifact would be more useful for our Confidantes, seeing as we have no Knock Pony other than the DoA, who might be vanishing from us again.

EDIT: Wait, how is our Free Social going to work while in this state? If we just traumatize people by existing as we are, should we even want to Social anything other than a Name? Unless that's just a family thing since they were there, and our Friends won't have the same amount of recrimination and fear, @OurLadyOfWires ?

 

[Greymere]

1)Study Lantern/Knock

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Disagree on these being a must-do, especially when the opportunity cost is DoA's Sacrament.

 

[Greymere]

Also, hm. I was looking back at the DCs for the artifacts, cause I could have sworn they should be more difficult than DC 50 as Sveta mentioned...

[HEART Artifact – Level 3, cd 50]

[Roll: 28 + 12 (Learning) + 10 (LANTERN bonus, doubled) + 30 (level 3 source) = 80]

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(Edit: Nevermind, I'm stupid. Thing I originally quoted was something else entirely.)

So the Heartifact was DC50, but the SH3 artifact was DC70 DC80. I could have sworn study DCs were 50 + (level * 10), but no, they're obviously different here. I think the only way this makes sense is if the DC is based on the level of scrap that we're acquiring, rather than the innate artifact level? Heart DC would have had a DC50 then, because iirc we were essentially gaining a Level 0 scrap to reach Heart 1. While for the SH3 artifact we were getting our final Level 2 scrap for SH3 nope it was actually the last Level 3 scrap for Level 4.

...not really sure what that would mean for studying a lower level artifact though. Would it just be DC50 since all we're doing is discovering it's function rather than looking for eldritch insight? (@OurLadyOfWires)

 

[spiderhellian]

However, a Knock Artifact would be more useful for our Confidantes, seeing as we have no Knock Pony other than the DoA, who might be vanishing from us again.

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We can't really trust our Confidantes to do a summoning, even with the artefact, other than maybe Luna (who won't use it).

Hm, the Knock artefact lets Baldomare summon Mares-in-the-Light pretty effectively, I guess?

Lantern gives a scrap + is more powerful + lets Luna (level 4) or DoA summon MitL with decent odds?

Maybe it depends on the DC question above..