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Questionable Questing

Slayer Anderson
Slayer Anderson
Unfortunately, I actually hate Kirche as a character. Louise actually has some level of sympathetic characterization going on, Kirche is just... a raging bitch, really.
Tavarokk
Tavarokk
I mean, she is, but it never really stuck with me, because I make a point not to look at canon characterizations too closely in general, or I'd end up hating the entire cast as characters.

So, from a more comfortable distance of lore overviews and quality fics, I'm in position to seethe about canon making a potentially fun character so one-dimensional and unlikeable, as opposed to actually disliking her.
1986ctcel
1986ctcel
….she's promiscuous and enjoys teasing her family's rival (and Louise readily hits back so it's hard to count that point against Kirche when it's mutual) how is that a "raging bitch"?
1986ctcel
1986ctcel
Like I'd agree on Anime!Siesta (keeps pushing herself on Saito despite his stated disinterest after marriage to Louise and telling Louise to her face that the compromising situation she found them in is "exactly what it looks like" despite knowing what she'll do to the guy Siesta supposedly likes) but Kirche seems pretty relatively low on the "anime bitch-o-meter".
Slayer Anderson
Slayer Anderson
A lot of it is in the way she treats people, even and especially individuals she's invited into her bed. The way she treats Louise, especially, I would call 'bullying' rather than 'teasing' given that Kirche is almost always the instigator and part of a crowd of people throwing abuse on a girl who's only crime is having a disability.
Slayer Anderson
Slayer Anderson
The compounding issue is that Kirche appears to believe that her interactions with Louise are 'banter' rather than the actual insults that Louise takes them as, which comes across as either oblivious or self-deceptive, neither of which are character traits I particularly enjoy... and, yes, I also hate Saito for those reasons, among others.
Tavarokk
Tavarokk
Yeah, she does that a lot. But then, that's a flaw of the wirting that applies to the entire title, tbh - Saito, Louise and others fairly often do something repulsive, creepy and/or morally questionable that's treated like your usual anime gag, but is faintly horrifying if you think about it.
Tavarokk
Tavarokk
Smoothing those things out and explaining what remains in a sensible manner is something most ZnT ficwriters have to deal with.
1986ctcel
1986ctcel
Yeah but the thing is Louise also gives her similar shit that's actually pretty hurtful even if it's just played off as "prudish tsundere antagonism gags" like "You're not a REAL noble you're just an upjumped peasant from a pagan barbarian nation that links titles to money instead of magic/holy blood".
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