Amelia, Worm AU [Complete]

You missed the epilogue chapter where he was alive and well.

 

Do you have some sort of superbreath? Except, instead of ice breath, you fill the air with pure cuteness and feels.

Also, the snow started the first weekend after the latest chapter of Copacetic was posted. So it's like the weather is going "No Copacetic? Well then, we'll have snow this weekend". Probably a coincidence, but it's been every weekend of February. Hypothermia and too much snow is going to all of New England's trigger.

 

If you could just throw more and more resources at a psychological problem until it goes away, then Pantheon would have already applied that to themselves and Amelia wouldn't exist.

Sometimes people don't request treatment, or actively reject it. Sometimes they are set in their ways, hold deep moral values, or don't see their distance from the norm as an illness.

When a whole planet's worth of people are left with their ways of living lost, there will be friction, even if Pantheon throws a billion cloned Dr. Yamadas into the mix, because contrary to fanon, psychologists don't have Master ratings, they can just give suggestions, that most people won't follow. People regularly commit suicide, crime, and other bad decisions, while already under therapy.

To think that a painful change in social structures can be wished away with money, is at least as stupid as thinking that any such change is "the end of a meaningful existance".

If you can't see any middle ground between the two, even when it's been spelled out ("it's clear that we are obliged the world safer, freer, and more comfortable for ourselves, even knowing that it will have it's own dark side in the form of bringing great emotional upset"), that betrays an extremely naive view of how the world works.

 

You do realize that no one IRL, or in canon Worm had the option of pointing Accord and Dragon Unchained at these issues? And that Pantheon's internal issues aren't really analogous given A. Shard mindfuckery and B. Taylia?

 

For Pantheon, its likely that one reason they haven't reached out to a psychologist in this case is because it would be a weak point, and a distraction. They are functional, have Minerva around to make sure they don't go absolutely batshit, and are spending as much time as they can on trying to fix the world and defeat scion. In addition, you have to make sure the psychologist is secure. Its a great source of information to their enemies. All it takes is one master, one thinker, and then things that they really need to keep secret are out in the open, jeopardizing a huge amount of effort. Its sad, but frankly at the moment, its likely that outside mental help is more risky than it is beneficial. It doesn't matter if they go crazy doing it, as long as they are able to kill scion, it will have been worth it.

 

Then how exactly do you suggest "pointing Dragon at the problem" that Mark Dallon wouldn't feel comfortable in a more dependent lifestyle than his current one?

Dragon and Accord are useful for engineering problems with objectively correct solutions, not for "fixing" human nature.

Pantheon was just one example, you might as well replace it with any other group or person that is rich enough to afford anything, yet still has emotional problems that can't be solved just with resources. There is always an excuse to not go to pschiatrist, and even if there isn't, a psychiatrist is not an instant solution to all problems.

 

Aw, and now I'm thinking about Bitch and all her dead puppies.

 

Second "of" redundant?

This contains some engineering principles that may help with certain mental health issues. I was actually initially intending to link it as a more economically oriented thing, which it's better at.

 

Cutting off the argument before it starts, do NOT discuss this here. I don't care about it one way or the other but I know that this subject is a major hot-button for some people and this isn't the place for it. If you feel the need to do so, we have a rants forum for that exact reason.

 

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

He talks about tunnels, without considering the cost of digging them out. He talks of electric cars, and pretending that the only issue is battery capacity. He talks about mobile houses, and doesn't think about how much energy would be required, how many hills would fuck his ideas.

The guy's a small minded moron.


Edit:Said all I'm gonna. Want to discuss more, send me a PM.

 

Okay, I was worried about this... Yes, I'm aware Yudkowsky isn't particularly well liked by SB culture, and that the cost of implementing the things he proposes are wonky (even after controlling for different emphases in values?), but I felt it to still be worth linking because A: Avalon has all new infrastructure and actual superintelligences to plan things and Tinker Bullshit, and B: because in canon Accord is shown to come up with far more fanciful seeming plans (Wrecking ball based city transit? Really?), and C: I felt that it emphasized certain concerns like light levels that are subtle, but the kind of things a superhuman plan would account for.

Does that help? Can we carry on discussion with the knowledge that I'm not proposing to turn Avalon into dath ilan? Or even proposing a utopia in general?

 

In accordance with doomlord9's request, I won't start debating the economic claims of that particular article, but I might point out that it's pretty weird that you are citing a person who wrote an elaborate sequence of articles about the genuinely difficult problem of how most utopias appear unsatisfying, to support the claim that a resourceful utopia could easily become satisfying for everyone.

Or if we should avoid discussing anything Yudkowsky, let's just stick to George Orwell's article on the same subject.

 

Um... goalpost moving much? How did we get from the consequences of providing Maslov Stages 1 & 2 for free as default. To Pantehon's existing or non-existing psychological problems?

The general problem with psychologists is that there are not enough of them and that they're overrun. And that certain risk groups, like men in general don't get properly diagnosed for some reason, but whatever. So yeah, spending money to hire and educate psychologist could help.

If people feel like eating their regrowing homes is wrong somehow I'm pretty sure Avalon won't mind if they go hunting shit as long as it isn't other people and their property and build their shacks from stone. As Avalon doesn't force anyone to immigrate those people who hold too deep moral values can just go and die on bet or one of the other colonies. If it's either Red or dead reasonable people chose red while everyone else choses the darwin award.
I'm not sure what your problem is. That Avalon doesn't cater to their personal brand of insanity? If you need to fight for your life to be happy, well, there's the hellworld of bet. But holy fuck, don't go around claiming basic social security is the end of humanity as we know it.

Also crazy people as a whole are not a major problem for humanity. They're a rounding error, which is one of the reason society as a whole doesn't give a shit. On the other hand nobody will murder you for food when they can just eat the ground, or the wall, or the tree over there and it actually tastes somewhat decent.
As it isn't their intention to build Paradise, human problems obviously won't magically go away. But that's not what my point is about anyway.

Sorry, I don't get your problem. I really don't get it. Making problems go away is not a painful change to social structures. Sane people welcome that. As I've already pointed out most problems can be solved with applying ressources. It's just that you need to be willing to apply them for it. Education? Get more teachers, get people a stipend for studying. Health? Pretty much the same, unless you expect miracle cures, but that's what they have Pantheon for. Self-government? That's what the whole system was set up for. Find your group of like minded people and build your Utopia. Even if it goes wrong you don't need to worry much.

Honestly, I get the impression you take real life problems that have build up over decades of neglect out of context and declare them unsolvable. The big joke is that they've already been solved in places. Fuck, Avalon's home and food thing is basically a thing in every nation with a halfway developed social state. The fact that Mark Dallon decided that this is the end of the world is pretty much an indication for a very very very narrow worldview. A mental horizon with the radius of zero, I guess. A point of view.

I'm sorry, but the dark side isn't. That's like complaining about how solving world hunger results in more people being fat. It's taking a microscope to look for dark spots in a thoroughly good thing. I'm usually not one for taking a utilitarist view, but fuck. So they're upset for half a year or so until they've settled in and then they're way more happy because they have less horrible problems. So overall win.

 

Although there's something very SBish about someone who founded a "research institute" that appears to be literally just a tax dodge for Peter Thiel, that has produced less published papers (zero peer-reviewed) in fifteen years than one physics Ph. D student produces (all peer-reviewed) in three or four, an organization which the main Effective Altruism charity guide marked as actually hindering its chosen cause; and who has literally - I checked and counted - zero achievements in his claimed field of endeavour, no projects at all actually finished, and whose most famous achievement is a popular Harry Potter fanfic ... I find myself strangely reluctant to take on his recommendations even on minor things.

YMMV of course. And apparently he/they'll finish the Harry Potter fic, and that'll definitely be a finished achievement.

and I got through all that without calling anyone a "narcissistic charlatan" and as such demand an Internet cookie

Now, ONTO THAT FABULOUS WORM FANFIC where they might destroy the NATURE OF HUMANITY ITSELF by leaving people not worrying about food and shelter. Or not. My money's on "not", but then, even in the perfect post-Singularity world where we're all Hansonian ems in a computer, with the power to do literally anything, it is absolutely certain that we will continue to be assholes to each other, or we wouldn't be worthy of the label "human". If you gave humans a literal palace of gold they'd complain it wasn't silvery enough.


actually it's about ethics in nanotechnology journali*(!"*(*$"!&*("!&"$("!$
NO CARRIER

 

The next Endbringer being an explicitly dimensionally unrestrained one would wreck a lot of people's plans. And by 'a lot' I mean basically 'all of them'.

 

People. Stop fighting or I will slap all of you with my dick.

Which could be fun.

But then my girlfriend will hunt you down, skin you alive, and wear you like a suit.

... Man was that an awkward way to start off the new year...

 

QQ definitely needs to adopt SV's various different possible upvotes, with a special one for "ew".

 

Okay, Taylor, you can do this.

 

Well, I'm not fighting, so I'll survive!

Unless I'm a casualty...

 

A dick with a dick? Preposterous!

 

Au contraire.

Spoiler: Seeing is believing

 

Ah HA! So you finally reveal the reason they went through all this. Killing Jack, cleaning the city, killing Simurgh, everything. All of it just to end up with their own world where they could avoid having to fill out tax forms.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Anyone know where I can find an endbringer that'll be killable for someone with my... less then stellar abilities?

 

My vote's on Eidolon. Maybe he has some new power available now that he is recharging his stores. He doesn't get featured enough in Worm fanfiction, IMHO.

 

Eidolon can run a power negater, that resurrection one he used before, and just let Amelia fix him. Reviving him as needed until it sticks.

 

It's nice to see that Amelia is aware of her responsibilities as guardian to Riley, and that she's willing to make sacrifices for her charge's happiness and well-being. Again, a very mature stance for a teenager to take.

 

He wouldn't risk a power nulifier as it would risk nullifying his own power/s. There by putting him back at square one power wise.

Edit: just had a brain wave that if a shard which "nulify all shards but this one" was a thing then they probably would be throwing it at golden boy. Regardless of eidolons otherwise large combat potential without it.

 

Chapter 254 - D'awwwwwwwwwwww.

Chapter 255 - Less d'awwww but still nice.

That is all.

 

It puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again.

 

Something that no one has commented on about the "Tohu copies Taylor" thing, is that, just by taking control, Tohu probably was at least somewhat in on the Taylia bond. Whether it did anything with it other than "lol, I'm in ur link, stealin ur doods" remains to be seen, but whatever effect it had on Amelia's shard could be why she was having trouble getting rezzed.

And completely separately, does Yggdrasil have anything in common with the material shards are made from? It's a little late, but being able to use almost any form of energy or matter seems like something the Entities would have been using for a while, if they could.