Balancing Like with Dislike

[00loner]

1) Shouldn't there be a Dislike option along with Like?

2) I feels giving people two opposite options to express their opinions on posts will be better. Cause even if someone don't like a post, they can't express it without commenting on it.

3) Giving both Dislike and Like option will also show what is the basic general opinion of people on various posts.

 

[riotous living]

General feeling is shown well enough from a lack of likes. Adding negative reactions would just make it easier for people to be toxic, especially to authors

 

[Blackshard]

Dislikes are effectively a soft moderation tool for larger-population sites where content filtering is important. QQ is very much not that, so it'd just add toxicity.

 

[00loner]

How will dislike add toxicity? I don't understand.

Positive review = like
Negative review = dislike
Neutral review = nothing

How come toxicity came here?

 

[Terrabrand]

How will dislike add toxicity? I don't understand.

Positive review = like
Negative review = dislike
Neutral review = nothing

How come toxicity came here?

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Dislikes lead to things like brigading- people coming into threads just for being competition to the threads they like and mashing dislike without even reading the thread at all.

You might be someone who would only use dislikes in a fair minded, honest way, but you inevitably have to cope with human tribalism. People don't do dislikes purely because 'ah, I see, this was a bad story, I should warn other people away from this post'.

Viewing likes and dislikes as positive and negative reviews also does not work because likes and dislikes are just one empty data point each. Having likes makes sense- it's a way to support basically going '+1' without wasting an entire post on it, expressing your appreciation at all without bloating a thread- my not very popular in the grand scheme of things thread for my one shots and short series would be not 6 pages, but somewhere in the range of sixty or more if every like was expressed as an actual post.

Meanwhile, if I wasn't getting those likes instead, I'd have no idea which of my story ideas were more and less popular.

Dislikes add nothing of real value by contrast. 'I hated this' is just toxicity unto itself if there's not critique involved. You need an actual post to go 'eh... I disliked this because it's poorly spelled and has bad grammar' or 'this was disturbing and should have been tagged' or whatever'. Lots Of People Disliked Button this meanwhile tells you nothing of use as a reader and is just harmful for the author.

 

[00loner]

Dislikes lead to things like brigading- people coming into threads just for being competition to the threads they like and mashing dislike without even reading the thread at all.

You might be someone who would only use dislikes in a fair minded, honest way, but you inevitably have to cope with human tribalism. People don't do dislikes purely because 'ah, I see, this was a bad story, I should warn other people away from this post'.

Viewing likes and dislikes as positive and negative reviews also does not work because likes and dislikes are just one empty data point each. Having likes makes sense- it's a way to support basically going '+1' without wasting an entire post on it, expressing your appreciation at all without bloating a thread- my not very popular in the grand scheme of things thread for my one shots and short series would be not 6 pages, but somewhere in the range of sixty or more if every like was expressed as an actual post.

Meanwhile, if I wasn't getting those likes instead, I'd have no idea which of my story ideas were more and less popular.

Dislikes add nothing of real value by contrast. 'I hated this' is just toxicity unto itself if there's not critique involved. You need an actual post to go 'eh... I disliked this because it's poorly spelled and has bad grammar' or 'this was disturbing and should have been tagged' or whatever'. Lots Of People Disliked Button this meanwhile tells you nothing of use as a reader and is just harmful for the author.

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I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

 

[AztecCroc]

You realize we tried having dislikes for like a week after XF2 changeover and no one liked it. Also it doesn't really work in Xenforo.

 

[riotous living]

People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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If people make a rule-violating comment report them and laugh when they're banned. If they're nothing but toxic ask them to stop or use the ignore function. It's much easier to moderate actual comments than reactions.

 

[RedStarMini]

I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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Except dislikes do not actually "voice" dislike, they are merely a single very unnuanced way of expressing it. People who feel very strongly about disliking something will normally pair that up with a comment. What this does is give people who would otherwise just move on with their lives a way to express their dislike. Your suggestion would complicate the already pre-existing method in use.

 

[Terrabrand]

I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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you can pretend humanity isn't complex if you like but you want to 'balance' like with dislike just because you assume it would be good off nothing.

I have explained why it would likely be bad. Waving your hands and saying 'you're complicating it' just makes you look stupid rather than like I'm actually overcomplicating things to point out how people demonstrably act when such options are available.

EDIT: like. the simple topic here is 'the current status quo works fine'. We don't have dislike and we don't need it. You think 'balancing' positivity- likes- with dislikes- so negativity!- will improve things. Flailing when people point out why that won't be the case doesn't help your case any.

You're the one proposing a change. Even just being a coinflip as to whether dislikes would make things better or worse means its probably not worth the site's effort to do, since the change requires work whether it helps or not.

If it does basically nothing that's still a losing move.