Howl of the Seawolf (OC/SI)

[Vanbers]

And did you come up with a way for Eddard to reconcile his subjects is ..... extort them? Human trafficking?

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It's not remotely that bad in Westeros terms. Stop applying modern morals to Westeros.

It's not "human trafficking" by medieval or Westeros standards. And it's certainly not 'extortion'.

I know I'm late, but can someone explain to me what sense it makes that some lords, who didn't kill anyone, didn't declare war, didn't steal land or gold, are fined and forced to build their own fiefdom for a couple of bastards?

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Because they were making a scene, embarrassing the entirety of the North, in the capital city where the lords of every region currently were.

Did you just... not read the story, except for those parts? Just miss the entirety of all the context?

 

[Celebrimbor]

It's not remotely that bad in Westeros terms. Stop applying modern morals to Westeros.

It's not "human trafficking" by medieval or Westeros standards. And it's certainly not 'extortion'.

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Eddard in canon also wanted to put new lords in the new gift. But he didn't even think of forcing anyone to go. He said it himself, not even the promise of lands makes people want to go north. Now he is forcing thousands to go for a petty fight?
You are the one who thinks that because it happened in a medieval era, he is devoid of morals.
The only thing lacking here is good writing.

Because they were making a scene, embarrassing the entirety of the North, in the capital city where the lords of every region currently were.

Did you just... not read the story, except for those parts? Just miss the entirety of all the context?

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Nothing that minimally justifies this flagrant extortion.
They are not war criminals, they are loyal gentlemen in an argument. Their duty as a lord is to conciliate, not to squeeze money and people for their bastard nephew's fiefdom.

 

[Vanbers]

Eddard in canon also wanted to put new lords in the new gift. But he didn't even think of forcing anyone to go. He said it himself, not even the promise of lands makes people want to go north. Now he is forcing thousands to go for a petty fight?
You are the one who thinks that because it happened in a medieval era, he is devoid of morals.

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Moving smallfolk is entirely a thing they do. Where else do you think the smallfolk for any lord he puts up in the New Gift, or anywhere else, would come from? Spawning out of the fucking aether?

Moving smallfolk isn't some horrific immoral act, to them.

They are not war criminals, they are loyal gentlemen in an argument. Their duty as a lord is to conciliate, not to squeeze money and people for their bastard nephew's fiefdom.

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>Two entire factions formed and at each others throats with armies of armed men outside the walls of the capital city
>"They're just loyal gentlemen in an arguement bro, he shouldn't have punished them so harshly bro"

bruh

The 'punishment' was something entirely within each sides power that would harm them in the short term, but is fairly easy to recover from.

And given they both had armies, were just about at each others throats, and humiliated the North in front of the entire realm, it's not remotely out of nowhere or absurd to see happen.

 

[kaizerfox]

List of House Seastark members as of late 283 A.C. Hope this helps some people keep track of the Seastarks!

Lord Torrhen Seastark (b. 245 A.C., d. 281 A.C.), Married Brienne Glover (b. 247 A.C., 36)
---> Lord Hugo Seastark (b. 265 A.C., 18), Married Myrra Lannister of Lannisport (b. 266 A.C., 17)
------> Myranda Seastark (b. 283)
------> Torrhen Seastark (b. 283)
---> Edric Seastark (b. 270 A.C., 13), Betrothed to Lorra Wells (b. 272 A.C., 11)
--->Breyna Seastark (b. 276 A.C., 7), Betrothed to Roger Ryswell (b. 273 A.C., 9)

Walton Seastark (b. 247 A.C., d. 281 A.C.), Married to Arsa Bole (b. 248 A.C., d. 277)
---> Wyman Seastark (b. 264 A.C., 19), Married to Elsa Slate (b. 265 A.C., 18)
------> Arsa Seastark (b. 283)
---> Yara Seastark (b. 269 A.C., 14), Betrothed to Leobald Tallhart (b. 265 A.C., 18)
---> Jonnel Seastark (b. 272 A.C., 11), Betrothed to Alysanne Mormont (b. 274 A.C., 9)

Lord Osric Fisher (b. 246 A.C., 37), Married Ellen Seastark (b. 248 A.C. 35)
---> Owen Fisher (b. 266 A.C., 17)
---> Mariah Fisher (b. 269 A.C., 14), Betrothed to Tytos Blackwood (b. 268 A.C., 15)

Edit: Forgot Ellena Seastark (who hasn't appeared yet). She's Torrhen and Walton's younger sister and married to Lord Fisher. It's why he's the SI's uncle and why Owen Fisher is one of his cousins.
Edit 2: Added the kids.