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Politics, The Friendship Breaking Topic

Discussion in 'General' started by Biigoh, Feb 6, 2017.

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    Biigoh

    Biigoh Tanuki Moderator

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    So... due to the issues in the original thread [See Here], the staff of Questionable Questing have decided to move it from Rants.

    What does this mean?

    It means that all rules are in full effect [See here for Rules]. Please familiarize yourselves with the rules before posting in the thread.

    Here are the rules in brief.
    1: Play nice with the other members on the forums.
    2: Keep NSFW material in the NSFW section.
    3: Do not post illegal content.
    4: No duplicate accounts.
    5: Try to stay relatively on-topic.
    6: Accounts are not deleted.
    7: Thread Necromancy is (very) conditionally permitted.

    Additionally... there will be one additional rule for this thread.
    - Be ready to cite your source, admit that your evidence is anecdotal, or concede the debate.
     
  2. TriforcedLink

    TriforcedLink Hero of degeneracy

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    *Glances at thread title*

    That is an apt title given how heated politics can get.
     
  3. Ugolino

    Ugolino I trust you know where the happy button is?

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  4. UrsaTempest

    UrsaTempest Yuri Fanatic, Archivist

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    It all comes tumbling down.
     
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  5. OverReactionGuy

    OverReactionGuy The only Sane one left

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    Not even the first page yet either and there is already going to be one of those incidents. >.>

    Yeah, this is going to start out just swell.
     
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  6. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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  7. Student of Zelretch

    Student of Zelretch Put the ice back on my lake.

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    My poor title... ah well, at least i kept Trump: The thread for bitching.
     
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  8. Cambrian

    Cambrian The Pimperor - Inspirational as Fuck

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    And to think I was just whining on twitter last night that I really missed the days when politics occupied only 5% of my time. Been thinking of taking a step back from the original politics thread for a while now.

    This might work even better, I literally never visit the general forums of this website. You guys all have fun and hopefully any posts I make in this thread will be few and far inbetween.
     
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  9. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Experienced.

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    It sure would be nice if the website actually had a link to the police report, or the president of the college's statement about the hoax hate crime. I actually Googled the article and after four pages of searching all I could find were reports from sketchy websites. No police report, no comment from the people involved, just Fringe sites. Your article is no more reliable than that tweet. And I am much more willing to believe the Tweet than them.
     
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  10. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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  11. Bailey Matutine

    Bailey Matutine (Verified Pooka)

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    tertius, you have to remember that a lot of people who voted for him thought he was lying and wouldn't actually do anything, which made them think he was a safe choice.
     
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  12. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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    Isn't it wonderful that American Politics is so full of lying sacks of shit that the moment an honest man comes along, nobody has any fucking clue what to do?
     
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  13. Bailey Matutine

    Bailey Matutine (Verified Pooka)

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    To be fair, telling the truth is a new move for Trump too. He has literally made a career of false promises and broken contracts.
     
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  14. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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    I thought he made a career out of being a fucking clown. But I'll concede your point- everybody was told he's a liar time and time again, so they assumed he was lying.

    Surprise, bitches!
     
  15. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Experienced.

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    First, lay off the condescension. Second, it's a start, but I am trying to find the full interview. The article you link only has part of the interview overlaid during the news report. Believe me, I have seen enough news to know how easy it is to cut and paste certain remarks to make it seem like someone said the opposite of what they actually said. I'm not saying that you are lying, just that I want some additional confirmation.
     
  16. 2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful

    2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful Cocknower

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  17. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Experienced.

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    Are you seriously using Breitbart as a credible source?
     
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  18. 2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful

    2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful Cocknower

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    It cites its sources and has the video right there.
     
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  19. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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    I respect that. It is my default response.

    The difference between us is that I tend to dig first and show what I've found first. I know, it's a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's worth it.

    And prevents this from happening.
     
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  20. Bone Daddy

    Bone Daddy Well worn.

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    Nice deflection, I also notice how you didn't call out Ugolino on how Twitter isn't a credible source though.
     
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  21. StriderAnarchy99

    StriderAnarchy99 Getting sticky.

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    Yeah, the video in the breitbart article isn't playing for me. Anybody else have problems seeing it?
     
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  22. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Experienced.

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    I've had enough fake news from Breitbart that I automatically dismiss anything they say without clicking on the link. If they want my trust, they need to earn it back. Is that unfair? I certainly don't think so. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Maybe they're telling the truth this time, but I've been burned so much in the past I automatically dismiss them. To me, some yahoo on Twitter is just as reliable as Breitbart.

    Something I noticed that no one has addressed yet is that in the same article that calls how a guy for making a hoax threat, it was in response to a real threat, because he wanted as much attention as the guy who got the actual threat. There was a real hate crime there.
     
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  23. TanaNari

    TanaNari Verified Dick

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    Now to be fair, Breitbart falls under my "auto bullshit detector" as well, but then so does CNN- and I'll at least click their article and read it, if someone's using it as a source. And if it just so happens to have a video that comes directly from the proverbial horse's mouth, then at the very least the video is probably trustworthy.

    I don't dismiss the information without even seeing what it is first, the way you seem to be doing.
     
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  24. Vashon

    Vashon Earnest Voice Gone for Good

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    Btw, Tom Brady 2017 Salt Mining Operation peaked on Trayvon Martin's birthday.

    Rumors of riots in Atlanta.

    And I almost wonder how much effect I personally had getting this thread created.
     
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    2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful Cocknower

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    http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=4107#.WJUuibp1PqY.email
    http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2017/02/01/54771/lawmakers-debate-making-california-a-sanctuary-sta/

    You know, the confirmation that illegal immigrants use false IDs and stolen Social Security numbers would explain where a few million of Hillary's votes came from.
     
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  26. The Shadowmind

    The Shadowmind Well worn.

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    Twitter or Facebook could be a valid source, it depends on that evidence the social media method provides. A blatant statement that "method of information" isn't a valid source is false, since the method of information isn't relevant, the information contained is. A video could be competently truthful, or it could be edited to lie. A twitter post could link to a avalanche or information, or just an a misinformed opinion.

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/guccifer-2-claims-responsibility-for-dnc-email-dump
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...mails-likely-from-email-transcription-service
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-interview
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dnc-hack-what-we-know-and-what-we-still-dont-know
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...government-attempt-to-cover-up-their-own-hack
     
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  27. 2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful

    2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful Cocknower

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    Same with Breitbart, or CNN.
     
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    magic9mushroom BEST END.

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    Oh hey. I just realised that I haven't outlined my full political views here yet. So, since we've got a new thread, I think it's about time.

    Economically, I'm relatively leftist, though perhaps less so than I used to be. I think the top bracket of income tax should be around 60%, for instance, and I'm very uneasy about the wage gap between businesses' productive personnel and top management. I think copyright ought to be removed in its entirety; there are other ways to monetise creation that aren't as philosophically problematic and are less prone to abuse via regulatory capture. I'm also in favour of nationalising (or at least partially nationalising) natural monopolies, including several emerging ones (the internationalisation and oligopolisation of payment processors, for instance, allowed a lobby group in America to seriously damage the escort industry here; that's really problematic), and I support free - i.e., fully subsidised - basic public transport (trains, in particular).

    On social issues, my primary driving ideology is libertarianism. I'm strongly in favour of free speech, including some types of speech which people typically try to claim are outside its scope. I loathe the very idea of hate speech laws, for instance - except for literal criminal conspiracy, I support the right to promote terrible ideology (and, in general, be dismissed as a lunatic). And I detest the crusade against paedophiles (which are NOT THE SAME THING as child molestors; I cringe every time someone says "convicted paedophile"), in particular the efforts to ban simulated child pornography. Live-action child pornography is bad because making it involves child molestation - arousing paedophiles is not an inherently bad thing. On a related note, I think there's too much societal stigma around sex in general, which is thought to substantially contribute to worsening rape trauma. The disconnect between the way we treat violence and sex in rating content is patently silly, for instance, and ages of consent over 16 are highly dubious (and lowering them even further is plausibly a good thing, though obviously comprehensive sex ed should precede the AoC in all cases). I mean, if you're old enough to want sex, and you know enough to safely have sex, isn't it being rather something of a nanny state to legislate whether you're allowed? Speaking of which, I'm not a fan of a lot of things under the "nanny-state" umbrella; generally, I hold that it should be legal to do stupid things, so long as the only one harmed is you. This applies to stuff like mandating people wear seatbelts (mandating installing them is perfectly reasonable) as well as the stupid ban on marijuana (I'm okay with controls on stuff like heroin, because a few doses' worth suffices for manslaughter or murder, but marijuana has a higher lethal/active ratio than both nicotine and alcohol). I'm also strongly against animal rights laws, except in the rare cases where non-human animals are possibly people (the dozen or so species that pass the mirror test, for example), and support legal abortion up to and including (agreed-by-both-parents) prompt infanticide.

    I also dislike discrimination. All discrimination, including deliberate attempts to bias things towards groups thought statistically disfavoured. That's getting very far down the slippery slope of "ends justify the means". As far as religion goes, I think scripture classes in public schools are an absolute disgrace, and that religion/"tradition" shouldn't be involved in legal unions. I do think that man-woman couples should be given first preference for adoption over singles or same-sex couples, but that's because of biological issues (girls with no father, for instance, have very early menarche) rather than anything philosophical.
     
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  29. Snake/Eater

    Snake/Eater Myth Maker of the North

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    And also causes divorce and traumatizes children and small animals too.
     
  30. Bailey Matutine

    Bailey Matutine (Verified Pooka)

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    He made his real estate career as a conman. He made his show business career as a clown.
     
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