1. Due to issues with external spam filters, QQ is currently unable to send any mail to Microsoft E-mail addresses. This includes any account at live.com, hotmail.com or msn.com. Signing up to the forum with one of these addresses will result in your verification E-mail never arriving. For best results, please use a different E-mail provider for your QQ address.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. For prospective new members, a word of warning: don't use common names like Dennis, Simon, or Kenny if you decide to create an account. Spammers have used them all before you and gotten those names flagged in the anti-spam databases. Your account registration will be rejected because of it.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Since it has happened MULTIPLE times now, I want to be very clear about this. You do not get to abandon an account and create a new one. You do not get to pass an account to someone else and create a new one. If you do so anyway, you will be banned for creating sockpuppets.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. If you wish to change your username, please ask via conversation to tehelgee instead of asking via my profile. I'd like to not clutter it up with such requests.
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Due to the actions of particularly persistent spammers and trolls, we will be banning disposable email addresses from today onward.
    Dismiss Notice
  6. We have added another rule, please check the Rules post for more information.
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Due to some issues with Freenode, the QQ IRC Channel is moving. See here for more information.
    Dismiss Notice

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

Loading...
  1. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,240
    Likes Received:
    19,987
    Of course, some of said Gods may have opinions on trying to do anything with the souls of the dead. We've seen how the Silver City reacts, for a start.

    Bet that makes Necromancy a hell of a lot more complicated. Reincarnated souls are probably off-limits period, but you might be able to arrange to speak to a shade of their previous life, maybe?

    Ah, paperwork. Even in the afterlife, there's no escaping it...

    Uh, no... Though that makes an interesting wrinkle. What happens if the Gods of those dead extra-terrestrials hears about their passing and comes looking (admittedly belatedly.) :confused: Would Hades be obliged to hand them over, or is it more a case of finders-keepers?

    Something that may well keep happening if the Themyscirans continue to forge ties to the outside world. I mean, lots of words do have roots in greek or latin... But there are concepts the ancient languages just never could have imagined...

    Not quite so easy when it comes to Martians... I mean, H'ron'meer isn't actually a god, nor are any of the other venerated beings, are they? What even happens when a Martian dies? Where does their soul go?

    Joy of not needing such skills before now. I mean, if an Amazon wanted to go talk to the soul of a loved one, well, it's just a decent walk down to Hades' visiting room, if they're that desperate...

    Should have found that out before agreeing. But I can excuse her naivete, she's only known the island all her life, hasn't she?

    I suppose the Themyscirans like the Roman god of War as much as they like the Greek... That is to say, not much at all?

    Quite the trip, yes. Just imagine the story you'll have to tell the others, though. First... Er, Second Themysciran to leave Earth (Diana being the first, of course.)

    It is quite the idea to take in, you know. Imagine living in one small town all your life, knowing nothing beyond the county line, except maybe in stories. Everywhere else is just 'over there', nothing you need to worry about unless something is very wrong...

    Quite literally the small town girl (for a given definition of small, given that Themyscira has maybe 35,000 people.)

    Ah, so she's stuck doing all the little rituals Thana usually took care of. I mean, it's probably exciting, she likely never expected to be in charge...

    :confused: What stories have been coming back from out there? I don't really remember any 'fondling' going on. Certainly nothing Jade might object to.

    :p Not that kind of 'Rut' folks. Remember what he said yesterday about upsetting dysfunctional systems?

    Nearly anywhere on the surface, for instance. Maybe somewhere in sight of Olympus Mons, perhaps? Then she can claim to have seen an Olympus... :V

    Field trip! Wouldn't she need a few ritual tools, though? Or can OL just fabricate what she might need?

    I suspect most Amazons like to go off on their own every once in a while. After all, how many of us could stand being around the same people, day in, day out for that long?

    "...That was it? I had expected something more.. impressive."

    ...Give her a second to take it in, OL. You know, take in the sight, breathe the air (so to speak, since she's probably in an environmental field right now), realise the sky is a different colour.

    Ah, OL. When did this sort of thing become mundane for you? Honestly, being able to teleport across the universe has taken all the awe out of life for you, hasn't it?

    'Dead' as in lifeless wasteland, I take it, given that Mars is almost as thaumically lively as Earth.

    Hmm... Would the very much alive Karmang feel such an open call? Or would some shade hear it and see a chance for mayhem upon the living? Hells, how many ghosts wander Mars, I wonder? :eek: Or could there be some long-forgotten Burner gods drifting in the breeze, long forgotten by the modern population...

    Kind of noticeable, if their shades are as incendiary as they were in life...

    OL, sometimes, you need to stop helping, before you slip into 'HALPING!' territory... I know it's hard, but try...

    Especially if, as I theorised, any of the Burner's gods are still hanging around. They probably lean a lot more on the 'angry smiting' side of the equation.

    'Post-Mortem Communications'? ;) Does he happen to be skinny, wear a dark robe and sport a pasty white complexion (Or at least affect the same?) Such a blatant Pratchett reference... :p

    ...That was quick. Or did she get the necromantic equivalent of 'The number you have dialled is not in service'? :V

    If you'll excuse the exuberance: "Awwww Sheeit, niggah!" That's one heck of a bomb to end on!

    Well, not quite an explosion, but that's quite the bomb to drop on OL. It just got a lot easier to get Karmang's opinion, but also a lot harder, because if the Martian in question has been paying attention, he'll have plenty of protections from scrying in place. Also, the whole 'OL opposing the Hyperclan' bit from awhile back...


    Personally, I'd try to go through an episode or two at a time, then take a break. Let them settle in to the memory and all that. I wish I had the time to continue my re-read (and like-bombing of the Story-Only thread!) but so many other fics call out to be read...
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    420,894
    Thank you, corrected.
    No, that's correct. Consider: 'They were in a car, just driving around.'
    Really?
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2021
    anirocks, Silveraith, Ardy and 7 others like this.
  3. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    He may give them back if their god comes calling.

    Either they reincarnate, are absorbed in the magic fields of Mars, or there may be some kind of afterlife, but no god in it.

    If she was born before they came to the island then she'd have known it for a large part of her life.

    Mars may not be as bad as Ares.

    I think Vulcan mentioned he was nicer than Ares, but he didn't bathe all that much.

    Paul once lifted Thana in his arms and kissed her as a sort of tribute to Eris.

    I think Zoat will surprise us an make the guy be a tall, tanned and well built guy that likes wearing bright clothing.
     
  4. fluffy

    fluffy Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2019
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    1,201
    I wish you luck. Perhaps along the way you could make a chart of events of some sort, a spreadsheet perhaps.
     
    Cuchulin and Katillno like this.
  5. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    5,837
    Or retire to the Moon.

    A Vertigo series revealed that the Moon is Alien Soul Florida.

    Why exactly the Moon is so popular that alien souls migrate there to play canasta and gripe about the grandkids was sadly not mentioned.
     
  6. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    What series is this?
     
    Cuchulin likes this.
  7. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    2,228
    Likes Received:
    14,453
    They settle the deal over a game of poker. Using the souls in question as cards naturally.
     
  8. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    I think they'd use the souls as chips, while using gravestones as cards.
     
  9. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    612
    Likes Received:
    2,539
    I'm being inspired by Stranger In A Strange Land in this line of thought, but maybe dead Martians, at least the magic-users, have worked out their own version of New God ascension and become spiritual entities or divinities in their own right. After all, lots of gods in real-life history have been deified former humans (possibly even the case in-universe sometimes; canon season 3 Nabu might qualify). Maybe we'll meet H'ronmeer who'll be the first modern Martian to have died.

    Natasa asking about the differences between ancient and modern Martians, presumably to refine her searching efforts, raises the worrying possibility of resurrecting or calling the spirits of deceased Burning Martians, which hopefully can be avoided.

    Besides the Sorcerer-Priests of canon Young Justice, has Mars ever had magic-users or traditions in other DC comics and adaptations? I think I read that the New 52 J'onn was created by Martian blood magic from a bunch of regular Martians, but I'm not sure.
     
  10. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    The n52 had some blood magic, yeah.

    J'onn's brother used it to empower him by killing other Martians.

    The issue in which Karmang appeared in he was described as a former scientist that went crazy and became a magician.
     
    Cuchulin and DrThoth like this.
  11. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Versed in the lewd.

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    2,228
    Likes Received:
    14,453
    Is going crazy a side-effect of switching classes late in the campaign or just an artifact of being a scientist in DC?
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    Given what we've seen of DC scientists and how they turn out, the second idea may have some merit.
     
  13. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    1,850
    I have done it seven times, but as the fic gets longer the act of doing it again becomes more daunting. I read it five times from start to end when the fic was in SB (the end was different every time), then two more when it was in SV, I haven't done it since the move to QQ probably because I am not following the fic only thread in here thus have not been tempted to start over on page one. Also I am not reading as much anymore, not enough time to read new things and re read old ones, I have a backlog of fics that I am "following" and yet not reading.
     
  14. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    420,894
    No, the Martian death rate actually dropped after the first batch of disciples took control of the early cavern-settlements. Before that the Martians were having to learn everything by trial and error.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    1,850

    Broke ass college student with limited venues of entertainment, then broke ass college graduate. Then I took an opportunity to join a minor branch of security forces for the government (IT position and nepotism helped me secure the job) and here I am.

    It's far less impressive than you think the first re reads happened when the fic was probably at less that forty percent its current size.
     
    Otto von Saurion and Cuchulin like this.
  16. King of Frost

    King of Frost Wishing I was somewhere colder no doubt.

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2016
    Messages:
    141
    Likes Received:
    1,193
    I've read through the series in it's entirety two or three times, took me a few weeks each time since I couldn't remain focused on it constantly like I was when I first read through everything.
     
    Fellow, NightmareWarden and Cuchulin like this.
  17. Laundromat2.0

    Laundromat2.0 Making the rounds.

    Joined:
    May 10, 2019
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    179
    LMAO as far as Martian society is concerned Paul is just there to show up every few year and flip over every preconceived belief they hold precious. NOT ONLY is the basis of their entire social hierarchy flawed, not only is the surface habitable now, but also Martian-Jesus never died.

    I'd be afraid to read his mind next time he comes, just in case there's something else.
     
    anirocks, WhiteNoise, Ardy and 6 others like this.
  18. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    612
    Likes Received:
    2,539
    I've probably asked this a couple of times already, but my memory is terrible, sorry. Does Renegade have plans to kill construct-Nabu? I assume he still has ethical concerns about that, even if he went back to assimilation with the resurrected Klarion. There's risk of a potential backlash from Order, I suppose, but given how many Lords of Chaos they've been dispatching I imagine he feels like he could handle it.
     
    Otto von Saurion and Cuchulin like this.
  19. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    I remember him not liking the fact that he may have been causing him to suffer.

    I think it was after Darkseid came to visit.

    But that's all I remember.
     
  20. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    612
    Likes Received:
    2,539
    He was actually feeling bad about it far earlier, when he was asking Nabu for information to prepare to ambush/assassinate Klarion. Notably, this was back when he was generally willing to assimilate anyone and didn't have qualms about Bane and Sportsmaster. After the whole encounter with Darkseid and his change of heart, he got rid of Bane and Sportsmaster. Now he does still have the leaders of the Light as constructs because they're useful or potentially useful sources of information, and Nabu is certainly a very useful construct to have, but I do think that morally he might feel differently about him (And he makes the Light constructs sit still and write memoirs rather than actively commanding them in the world). Certainly I think Mister Zatara would have expressed more moral concerns and reservation than he's had so far (though the Justice League of Young Justice not being the best in terms of moral probity would hardly be egregious, so I can roll with it).
     
    Cuchulin likes this.
  21. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    Yeah, the fact the Zatara has so far shown no discomfort in using an enslaved being does feel kinda weird.
     
    DrThoth likes this.
  22. Galacticplumber

    Galacticplumber Not too sore, are you?

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2018
    Messages:
    294
    Likes Received:
    876

    Not as weird as seeing paragon's version of Zatara react to waking up with the helmet with mild upset and surprise at being freed from normal Nabu. Or nobody noticing the enslaved g-elves as enslaved. Point is characters don't seem to really care about that here. Not without having it pointed out at least.
     
    Otto von Saurion and Cuchulin like this.
  23. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    I think Zatara got used to Nabu controlling him and may have even thought it was a good thing since as he mentioned, Nabu managed to do more good than he ever did.
     
    Cuchulin likes this.
  24. Laundromat2.0

    Laundromat2.0 Making the rounds.

    Joined:
    May 10, 2019
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    179
    I also thought his reaction was very weird, but now that I'm thinking it through, I think it should be some form of Stockholm Syndrome. I mean, if you can learn to become emotionally dependant on your kidnapper, I can't even imagine what would happen to someone who had their body controlled for months. The human mind doesn't always have the most... rational response to being in the power of one's captors.
     
  25. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    746
    Likes Received:
    2,959
    Except it isn't exactly irrational. It would be irrational to choose to endure trauma with no expectation that it will ever end. It is, at some level, quite rational to adapt to the circumstances so that the day-to-day experience becomes less traumatic. That your conclusions at that time aren't consistent with the conclusions of the counterfactual version of you that wasn't experiencing the trauma is... little more than a philosophical consideration.
     
  26. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    420,894
    Renegade-Zatanna isn't appalled by construct-Nabu because... How it works now is now everyone assumed that it already worked.
     
  27. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    612
    Likes Received:
    2,539
    I'm not sure what you mean, exactly. I haven't reread the original segment where Renegade assimilates Nabu but I think Zatara seemed well aware what he was signing up for, and he knows that's different from his current scenario. And Wonder Woman and Red Tornado should probably know the difference as well.
     
    Otto von Saurion and Cuchulin like this.
  28. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2019
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    120,746
    I think the fact that Nabu seems to be in pain due to his speech would indicate that all is not well.

    Also the fact renegade is known as having mind control methods and the Orange symbol is now on the Helm would also indicate that he's probably not like he was before.

    Granted the YJ League and Team has made some pretty dumb assumptions before, but even this seems like too much.
     
    Ardy, Cuchulin and DrThoth like this.
  29. transhumansage

    transhumansage I trust you know where the happy button is?

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    866
    Likes Received:
    2,310
    dun dun duuuuunnnnnnnn....
     
  30. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2016
    Messages:
    9,699
    Likes Received:
    420,894
    Yes, he'd known that for a month or two. For the rest of his career he'd thought that the Helm aided the wearer.

    Sharing information is something the League wasn't very good at.
     
Loading...