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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Or you know, it may take time for the jammers to fully activate and cover the necessary area.

    And as previous posters have mentioned, the jammers aren't perfect and there may be ways to bypass them.

    Another person managing to bypass their defences doesn't indicate that their defences are stupid, it just indicates that the other guy has ways to bypass them.
     
  2. Pinklestia

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    Or since the jammers only cover Earth and the Legion can survive in space, they could have given them a time machine in some close by planet or in space.
     
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    Silver Age Moral Standards are "Slavery is bad.".
     
  4. Kalem_Lee

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    Demons, Nazis, Oh my!

    But man poor Mike. Keep on keeping on man.
     
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  5. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    Weird thought when people see the Nazi invasion try to stop the demon invasion who would they root for? Considering Overgirl has been here a while and hasn't hurt anyone who doesn't deserve it and Heaven literally started a war and killed countless people because of a fruit I'd lean Nazi, but I'm not sure the impact those events had on everyday citizens.
     
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  6. The Unaligned Player

    The Unaligned Player A blank Page for any role you need

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    At best it’d be rooting against Hell because:
    One of the many advantages of Nazis is that you don't have to justify shit. "Hey, this guy's a Nazi, would you like to drown him in his own piss?" the game might ask. "Sorry, did you say something? I was busy drowning a Nazi in his own piss," we might reply.
    - Ben “Yahtzee” Crowshaw
     
  7. Darko

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    I don't think a lot of people know that Overgirl is, or rather was, a Nazi, so their opinion on Nazis may not have changed much and they may still think that they're pieces of shit in a human form.

    As for the Angels, they didn't actually kill countless people, just a few.

    They killed Ted after he spoke in favor for Paul, though they had a hand in his resurrection.

    And they also killed Paul, but brought him back later on.

    They're reputation may have taken some hits after that, but probably not that much, since Paul had done a few controversial things by then so his reputation may not have been the best.

    And a lot of the other people they killed were somehow involved with demons or were into some evil shit, so if people know about these kills them they may be okay with the Angels doing them and think the dead deserved it, which, yeah, they probably did, at least some of them.

    Most people may be predisposed to thinking of Angels as being pure good.

    The invasion may have soured that a bit and now they may think that they're flawed, but still ultimately benevolent beings.

    And Zauriel may have gotten involved in superheroics, so he could be rebuilding some of their reputation.
     
  8. Vaermina

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    Opening the door so someone can leave, runs with the assumption that you aren't an idiot and will immediately close the door after they do. :p
     
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  9. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    Didn't Lois Lane write a story about Overgirl? and I think Ted and Paul were just the only Hellenist that died any followers of other religions would have been sent to other afterlives and we didn't see all the people that resurrected so I always assumed there was a lot more we didn't see.
     
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  10. Darko

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    Not really.

    In fact I'm not sure she knows that Overgirl used to be a Nazi.

    When Angelika was showing them the Kryptonian martial art, Lois was talking to Paul and mentioned the thunderbolt like symbol on her uniform and its connection to the Nazis, though I don't think she figured out that she was a Nazi and Paul didn't tell her but changed the subject to giving her superpowers.

    If she wrote a story about her then it may just be about a new Kryptonian showing up, but nothing about Nazis.

    Especially since this was before Angelika had her epiphany of Nazism being wrong.

    Yeah, one way that they made up for the invasion was to resurrect all the people that died by their hands, no matter the afterlife.

    Except for the ones that ended up in Hell.
     
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  11. Zig

    Zig Know what you're doing yet?

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    Yeah. I'm sure the universe hopping jammers you got from an evil alternate version of yourself are absolutely perfect with no way to bypass them. Hell, given the changes Paul made to the multiverse even if Baul did have good intentions, they may not work the same anymore.
     
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  12. Michael Vonica

    Michael Vonica Know what you're doing yet?

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    Hey. Baul isn't evil. He's just... morally challenged.
     
  13. crazygrox

    crazygrox I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I can't help but notice that this is a bunch of interdimensional incursions when they're supposed to have machines that stop interdimensional invasions.

    They need to upgrade those machines. Because they clearly only work on one thing and the tactical advantage of making enemies unable to appear right in the middle of cities is clearly not there in the manner that the machines promised.

    edit: Huh, reading the zoatpost, I completely missed them turning the jammers off. Nevermind then.
     
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  14. Ngamer11

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    Mr Zoat implied that Earth 10 was only able to create a portal to Earth 16 because the defenses were lowered to let the Legion of Super-Heroes go home.
     
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  15. crazygrox

    crazygrox I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Supergirl
    This page has 183 supergirls.
    Though a lot of them are elseworld variants of similar backstories, just in different realities.

    Yeah only read that after posting.
    If you refresh the page you'll see the edit I put in in response to reading that.
     
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  16. Threadmarks: Past Participant (part 10)
    Mr Zoat

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    "I can see it."

    Angelika is shaking with excitement, her hands clenching and unclenching as she tries to work out what to do with them.

    "I can see it. They're coming!" Something occurs, and her hands still. "They're coming. What do I tell them?"

    "Okay, firstly, we don't know for certain that it's them. It's a way to access parallel universes. This could be anyone. Secondly… This could just be a test. It's entirely possible that they're using the equipment for the first time but aren't going to send through anything more sophisticated than a biological sample container."

    She nods. "I know."

    "And given how injured you were, it's possible that nothing is going to come through intact."

    She takes a moment to steady her breathing.

    "Yes, yes, I know."

    "But on the off-chance that someone comes through and it's not Karl Kant, have you thought about how you're going to handle it?"

    "Almost every day since I have been here." She looks around, taking in 21st century non-national socialist Germany. "Most of the other New Statesmen or other heroes do not have improved vision, so they will not immediately see... Ah…"

    "All the wanton degeneracy?"

    "Ah. Yes. So that will be easier."

    "Are you planning on going back?"

    "That-. It would depend. If this portal can be maintained and I could travel back and forth, then I would rather visit home and then return here. If it is harder… It would depend on what the restrictions were." She frowns. "Why do you think this is happening now?"

    "We did turn off the devices blocking travel to parallel universes for an hour a few days ago."

    "It does not appear to be a barrier."

    "Not an absolute barrier, no. But it blocked some types of inter-parallel sensors and disrupted some… Things it couldn't block completely. This could be the result of them now knowing that there's something here to access." I shrug. "Or… Something else. Maybe this is just how long it took."

    "Are you worried that it might be the demons?"

    I take out a rune stone and hold it towards the point of maximum oddity. No reaction.

    "No. A demon portal would require huge amounts of magic. I'm honestly not sure if it's even possible to move from one parallel reality to another with magic."

    "Are demons incapable of using machinery?"

    "It's not that they can't, it just… Demons aren't usually good at technology. Even with everything Satanus devised, it relies on the presence of a high magic environment to allow the damned souls operating it to remain manifested. Or for the weapons themselves to work. A soul can't just step through a portal to the material universe and carry on as if nothing happened."

    "So if demons from the Demonearth come through, then their weapons will not work."

    "I'm not sure. Demon Supergirl wasn't possessed, just highly tainted. If they attack with infused cultists and metahumans, those should still function… For a while."

    "And then what?"

    "Without a source of demonic magic they would… Eventually lose most of the taint. I think. By default, anyway; there are ways to get around that with magic use."

    "They would be freed?"

    "Ah, they would no longer be compelled with demon magic. I imagine that after spending that long in such an environment that most of them would remain 'Markist'."

    "Because even without the compulsion, it is what they are used to."

    "I was thinking more that the shape of their thoughts would have been altered rather than it being a matter of pure habit, but, yes."

    She's quiet for a moment.

    "They would have a Kal-El, wouldn't they?"

    "Probably, but I can't say for certain."

    "They had a Supergirl."

    "Yes, but one doesn't necessarily follow the other. For all we know, House El might have been involved with Earth for years before the whole demon thing happened. Or the fixation with the mark might come from a Kryptonian ship or data probe that arrived on Earth."

    She looks at me.

    "But you don't believe that."

    "But I don't believe that."

    "How much stronger would Kal-El be if he was given power by demons?"

    "I'm not really sure how demons could give him power. He… Shouldn't be sufficiently in tune with Earth's thaumatic fields to use magic. They could make weapons for him; he'd be able to use those. But as for physically enhancing him, I wouldn't think so."

    "We can fight him, then?"

    "How much better than yours is New Kara's hearing?"

    "I am only partially kryptonian. But her hearing is better than 'old' Kara's hearing as well." Angelika nods. "So the kryptonian of one universe is not the same as a kryptonian of another."

    "And he'd be far more savage than the Kal-Els we're used to. He'd be fighting to kill from the start, and not at all concerned for collateral damage."

    "Why is his mark so important?"

    "It's important to their Kara. Nabu didn't seem bothered." She nods. "I don't know. It might be-."

    Her eyes widen. "It's opening!"

    Alright. Send a notification to the League and to the German government, prepare a railgun but keep it in the at rest position and generate construct armour-.

    A red circle with black patches about two metres across swells into being, hands… Somehow holding the edges and pushing it open. I see the pale skin redden and blister as the owner somehow forces the primordial energies of the universe to comply with nothing but brute strength.

    "Karl!"

    Angelika darts forward, grabbing the edge of the portal from this side and helping the man I assume to be Overman maintain it. He notices her and smiles before shifting his body to this side. A three count and they both let go, allowing the portal to close up on itself.

    Overman studies the area the portal was in for a moment, presumably checking that it's behaving as expected. Then he gives Angelika his full attention, smiling warmly at her.

    "Angelika."

    They both check each other over and then blur together, arms wrapped around one another, her face in the crook of his neck and his pressed into the top of her head.

    "Karl."

    Ah.

    This… Feels awkward.
     
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  17. Idkusername

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    Broken italics tag.

    Edit: Oh, and don't try and the pull the 'it doesn't count if I correct it before you point it out'. I checked. I want my obligatory like, dammit.
     
  18. UraniumKnight

    UraniumKnight Getting out there.

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    Italic tag failed to close.
     
  19. Ngamer11

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    That should say 'hers' or 'her hearing'.

    I can't wait to see how Paul will react to learning that on Earth 10, he's the Jimmy Olsen analogue.
     
  20. Darko

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    Well New Gods can do it, and they're technology is basically magic with electricity.

    Though they may connect to the Hell of Earth 16.

    And what I'm assuming is some Kryptonian martial art technique.

    'They both'
     
  21. Bud-E

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    This is so sweet you can almost forget they're nazis.
     
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  22. Darko

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    Angelika is a former Nazi, and Overman has probably lost any faith in Nazism a long time ago.
     
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    Yes, but he was still raised one in a Nazi Germany so that's going to strongly inform how he thinks and what actions he takes.
     
  24. Darko

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    True, though he has apparently traveled to alternate universe, including ones where the Nazis lost, so he may be able to better adapt.
     
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    I wonder if Karl could help with the diseased were-unicorn kryptonian (fake doomsday) the Justice League fought a while ago. Or if he could help parole the other kryptonians in the phantom zone. After all, Earth might be able to put some enterprising demigods to work in an upcoming arc.

    Someone get Canis! I want to see if this scene will make him vomit.
     
  26. Massgamer

    Massgamer Not too sore, are you?

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    Hehehe, the idea of people just brute forcing something like that must really get on OL's nerves.
     
  27. Darko

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    I don't see how he could help them with this.

    They already have Kryptonian tech and probably still can't cure Nam-Ek, and they can parole the Phantom Zone prisoners themselves, they just don't want to do it now.
     
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    So... Did Paragon forget that's a unique part of Earth 16? Because every other universe has magic that works just fine everywhere.
     
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    Actually, Overgirl mentioned that Overman told her that the Nazis lose in every other universe he's ever travelled to.
     
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    Honestly, it's probably a good thing she's as old as she is. If this were Kara-1 making contact with her own universe, she'd probably be vibrating. Even with the benefit of maturity, you can practically feel her excitement, though...

    Though it might well have a letter included, just in case she's present. I'm sure Overman would hope for her to be safe and well on 'the other side'...

    That at least probably depends on the stability of the portal. If the one she came through was 'wild', it would not have been nearly as clean as one artificially created...

    Yeah, best to be calm. Someone coming through might take it poorly if you seem agitated. And the last thing we need is you glomping onto them hard enough to register on the Richter scale.

    Afraid they might not understand rationally that other worlds might be different? Probably for good reason, though. I got the impression that most, though not all, of the Reichsmen are hard-line loyalists to the party ideals. Donner and Blitzen, for example, might just be a little more open-minded...

    Last thing you need is a super-nazi going on a rampage, or declaring an invasion... Sure, they might get shoved back through by Overgirl or OL, but once the door is opened... Even with dimensional blockers (and they aren't all-encompassing, after all) they might be able to push through again...

    Interesting that she says that. Looks like she's gotten used to the 'unnatural' society of our world. I can't imagine returning would be easy, unless she plans to make changes.

    Bit of a risk, yes, but worth it to get the Legion gone...

    I suspect their means of entry would be a lot more... Noticeable. Nabu's might have been his own work, and they would probably rather mount an invasion than send a covert team...

    Anything is possible, OL. Never discount the likelihood, or their desperation. Especially if they throw the full force of their Hell into the effort.

    Which is one reason why summoning circles are so complex. Another part of it being keeping the thing you call forth from eating your soul and wearing you like a costume... And yes, that has happened in DC...

    And they're far more likely to throw disposable troops at this than rare and valuable metahumans.

    Especially if you can work out a safe way to purge it from them, especially if you can also pump more purifying energies in at the same time. The trick being preventing their souls from disintegrating between opposing alignments...

    So, like Supergirll-Hell: Horrified that the people around them dare not to wear his mark, and dreading the moment when another true follower will show up and kill them...

    Like Stockholm syndrome on a planetary level...

    It's a scary thought, isn't it? And could you bring yourself to fight someone who looks like your adopted father? Even if they're all monster-y?

    Having one does not require the other. I'm sure there are versions out there who didn't have a Kal around... Somewhere...

    It could happen. Never underestimate the possibility.

    The multiverse is a strange and bizarre place.

    So, demonic armour and weapons. That alone is a scary thought.

    True enough. The Justice Syndicate's Superman equivalent isn't even kryptonian, in most cases. Can't remember about the local Earth -12 Ultraman's origin...

    A symbol of power. Of ownership... Demons put great worth in symbolism, after all... And so do mages.

    ...Here we go.

    :confused: ...Ow. Probably Torquasm Rao techniques, but a solid reminder that not all Supermen are equal... I mean, this is something that the Silver Age Superman could have done at his peak (and probably did do...)

    ...I hope they planned for that. I don't see the Earth-10 folks being happy about the risk of Overman taking a one-way trip. Most likely, they'll try to open it again at some point, depending on how long it takes to generate... After all, if it takes days to focus the machinery to generate even a pinprick opening...

    Remember, Violet is not solely the colour of romantic love.

    It is sweet, though, seeing father and daughter reunited like that.

    Yeah, that's the general response to public displays of affection between adults... Still funny to imagine them cuddling with OL just floating there on full combat readiness... :p

    Well, then. Overman has arrived. I wonder what his reaction to OL will be? It's not like he or Freeman were aware of the possibility of other copies of him running around. The next question is how he'll react to Earth-16's culture... He's been finding himself dissatisfied with his world for a while now, I suspect. Imagine if he returns with the intent to dismantle the system in place. Would that make him the cliche Evil Superman to his people? o_O
     
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