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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Chojin Patriarch said:
:oops: ...Well, that darkened the mood considerably
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It's a plot concerning John Constantine, so of course it was going to go into dark places.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Joy of working from half-remembered readings of a story from years earlier. Honestly, I'm surprised that kind of misremembering or not knowing details hasn't bitten him in the arse worse than he's gotten so far.
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True.

Chojin Patriarch said:
It's John Constantine, Golden Boy. Hating him is easy, especially if you know him
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Familiarity breeds contempt.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Here's hoping there's something left of John when this is all over.
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Or there's nothing left.

I mean, would it be so bad?
 
Just a guess but is the Void person controlling Quinn Anti-Life itself we've seen Anti-life be conscious in this story before with Renegade and the Tantalbus. Maybe something similar happened and now it's on earth fucking with Quinn.
 
Okay, so I'm confused at what's happening here.

Demon John is where OG John put all of the worst aspects of himself.

The Golden Boy is John's brother from an alternate universe where the twin who died in the womb was switched around.

So what happened to original flavor Constantine? Also who is John Quinn? I thought they weren't related to this. Wasn't Constantine the one who got the Helmet of Fate?
 
Huh.

Looking at the WTR jumpchain, 'the Golden Boy' was predicted to be... well... the cause of John's bad luck with having friends. It described him as a hostile Cegorach, basically. I've never read Hellblazer, unfortunately, so I've been assuming that that was plucked from DC Comics lore, and I vaguely remember the wiki supporting the interpretation of 'the Golden Boy is an arsehole.'

Looking at the selflessness and Life-emotion in his words in the past update... I want to say that that's not the case? But on the other hand, John Constantine is very easy to hate, so...

Could someone explain Hellblazer lore to me, briefly?
 
boo600 said:
Huh.

Looking at the WTR jumpchain, 'the Golden Boy' was predicted to be... well... the cause of John's bad luck with having friends. It described him as a hostile Cegorach, basically. I've never read Hellblazer, unfortunately, so I've been assuming that that was plucked from DC Comics lore, and I vaguely remember the wiki supporting the interpretation of 'the Golden Boy is an arsehole.'

Looking at the selflessness and Life-emotion in his words in the past update... I want to say that that's not the case? But on the other hand, John Constantine is very easy to hate, so...

Could someone explain Hellblazer lore to me, briefly?
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The Golden Boy appears twice, and I'm fairly sure the two parts were by different authors.

My depiction here is based on the original appearence, where he's perfectly happy for John to kill him in revenge for his attempt to kill John, something he did without actually knowing that John was a) an actual person and b) his brother. John said no because it wouldn't solve anything, and it's not clear what happened next.

The second appearence completely contradicts that, so I'm ignoring it. That's the 'responsible for everything' one.
 
I would pick this up again but Ii have no idea where I stopped last tie
 
boo600 said:
Huh.

Looking at the WTR jumpchain, 'the Golden Boy' was predicted to be... well... the cause of John's bad luck with having friends. It described him as a hostile Cegorach, basically. I've never read Hellblazer, unfortunately, so I've been assuming that that was plucked from DC Comics lore, and I vaguely remember the wiki supporting the interpretation of 'the Golden Boy is an arsehole.'

Looking at the selflessness and Life-emotion in his words in the past update... I want to say that that's not the case? But on the other hand, John Constantine is very easy to hate, so...

Could someone explain Hellblazer lore to me, briefly?
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I looked up the issue in question.

John accuses Golden Boy of being the machiavellian schemer that made John's life shit.

Golden Boy however never admitted to it.

So either John was right and Golden Boy was a villain with good publicity that was trying to get control over John to turn reality into a Self Insert fanfic where he'd get to be a Mary Sue Overlord of the world....

Or John, being a paranoid asshole, pissed the world's chance at a golden age down the toilet when he refused the opportunity to merge with Golden Boy and become a better, healthier, happier individual whose legacy would be a better world.

Considering what I've read and heard of hellblazer, either interpretation is perfectly in tune with the edgelord cynicism of the series.
 
Coda said:
If you list off a few things you remember, I'm sure someone can point you in approximately the right place.
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all I remember is that it's pretty early in this thread but that's it, The phone or whatever it was giving super powers depending on what you dialed arc was done a while ago

lets see what did grayven do lately... hmmm yeah I have no idea haha

wait... he attacked heaven? he had at least made an religious ally an angel demon hybrid or something

also he fought in hell but that feels like it was in a previous thread, even if he went there multipe times...

this story is so big lol
 
Tackyseven said:
all I remember is that it's pretty early in this thread but that's it, The phone or whatever it was giving super powers depending on what you dialed arc was done a while ago

lets see what did grayven do lately... hmmm yeah I have no idea haha

wait... he attacked heaven? he had at least made an religious ally an angel demon hybrid or something

also he fought in hell but that feels like it was in a previous thread, even if he went there multipe times...

this story is so big lol
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You stopped at Z-E-R-O and actually that was the episode that brought us here from SV
 
AmericanNumbers said:
So is this a reversal of fortune where it's Constantine's friend (Paul) that ends up fucking him over?
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Orange Lantern may not be the friend Constantine wants, and may or may not be the friend he needs, but is almost certainly the friend he deserves.


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"Oh, it's you." Quinn rises out of the Dream mists, Helmet on head and… Some sort of sceptre in hand and his body covered in something that looks suspiciously like blue and gold New God armour . "How dis-"
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Is Quinn not having any black quotes text indicative of Anti-life infection in error?

Mr Zoat said:
Doesn't presently exist, due to having split himself into two people.
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Pssh. A proper Brit would know there's a proper British term for this kind of not existing.
Constantine is currently in abeyance.
 
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Bramble Thorn said:
Is Quinn not having black quotes indicative of Anti-life infection in error?
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Black quotes don't represent anti-life infection. Black text indicates one's thoughts being overwhelmed by anti-life (or other similarly depressing things). Colored quotes indicate a level of fundamental alignment with that color -- Hades, for example, speaks with black quotes.
 
Mr Zoat said:
The Golden Boy appears twice, and I'm fairly sure the two parts were by different authors.

My depiction here is based on the original appearence, where he's perfectly happy for John to kill him in revenge for his attempt to kill John, something he did without actually knowing that John was a) an actual person and b) his brother. John said no because it wouldn't solve anything, and it's not clear what happened next.

The second appearence completely contradicts that, so I'm ignoring it. That's the 'responsible for everything' one.
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Cool. So, fixing John's life would be more about getting him therapy/convincing him to make better choices, instead of just killing a Final Boss.

Yeah, I can see the advantages to this interpretation. I can respect that.
 
Tower Offence (part 21)
8th November 2012
12:41 GMT -5

Mage slayers hum from my railguns, impacting-. A barrier of golden light with a red-burning border. The shield shimmers when hit-. No, tiny shields, each one collapsing and being reformed almost immediately.

"-appoin-"

Alan is shining blue light over the second-. The only Demon Constantine, the man's dozens of visible small injuries knitting back together. His eyes are open, but I'm not sure how much he's taking in.

"-ting."

I pull and push, restoring the link between Demon John and Original John's desires in the Honden with one thought and trying to drag Quinn's desires out of his soul.

A golden ripple passes over his body. I can sort of feel his desires, see their shape, they're still there, but some sort of spell is preventing me from touching them.

"John Quinn!"

The red light is extinguished like a blown-out candle, causing the shield to begin to diffuse into the air, smaller components spreading out. I focus fire immediately, but-.

A golden glow and the barrier-components lengthen, hexagon-ended octahedral barriers forming an overlapping protective barrier, each one with a tiny crimson flame inside it.

"Anti-Life! Explain!"

Sanderson takes charge of Demon John while Alan manoeuvres up and around, trying to flank Quinn.

"The universe and all its people disgust me."

Oh sugar, is he not infected? I mean, given that Belle Reve never reported The Demon Constantine missing I'd guess that he was switched over very quickly. It wasn't just 'these parts of John's character could be a problem, best be sure', it was something else?

"Why?! You are more-!"

Purple clouds bubble up from the Dream-discharge below us, enveloping Dr. Mist!

"Doc!"

Sanderson throws sand at the swelling pseudo storm, causing it to collapse back down and reveal an.. injured Dr. Balewa, clothes burned and skin slightly melted. Or not melted, but exposed to enough raw conceptual anarchy that it wore away at him in a similar fashion.

"Sandman, can you-"

Painfully aware that my reserves of mage slayer rounds are not unlimited, I switch them out for solid rounds and crumblers. Those-. Do nothing that I can see, which makes sense as an Order wizard of his level should be able to block physical force by altering the application of the relevant physical laws. Alright then, how about masers?

"-do something about-"

The first beam does actually get through, impacting on his blue and gold body armour and achieving nothing of note. The second beam hits a shield as the red flame inside flickers and gets effortlessly absorbed. I try firing a solid shot at another shield at the same time as a maser beam just in case this spell works on one type of attack at a time, but no such luck. That should be consuming more of his reserves, but I'm starting to feel that him solving the Order-Chaos dialectic might have made his spell casting super-efficient. In which case-

"-that?"

Never a fan of my technical precision, Alan adopts a brute force approach, hitting Quinn with a construct battering ram which merely causes a new shield to become visible, and then with a swarm of boxing gloves which hit every single shield he can see again and again and again in the hope that if he punches them enough then they have to go down eventually.

Quinn turns his head slightly in that direction and every single one evaporates in a waves of gold-red flame.

"I'll try!"

Sanderson shifts to sand form, appearing to absorb spare Dream sand as he travels 'down' from our position. Quinn points his free hand in that direction, but while the Order crystals so far enveloped by the miniature Dream storm strain and force it back a little all Sanderson needs to do to counter that is spread himself out a little. That should give him an override on what dreams occur there.

Dreams.

"Sandman, dream us up something-."

Quinn stares at me, and then a golden box forms next to me. I slam a construct drill into it, but it stays solid.

"He was right. Caging you-"

And the box is the universe, and like the Monkey King couldn't escape the lap of Buddha I find it surrounding me with no way out!

"-is simple."

I try to fly away, but unlike Faust Quinn knows what he's doing!

This is how genies feel, isn't it?

Right then. Mage slayer the boundary layer, and-.

Wait.

I look at myself and realise that I just left my body behind.

I'm snake-shaped again. I'm so close to being an arcane life form that a ghost trap can suck me out of my body regardless of my tattoos and ward. That's… A worry for another day.

The mage slayer I fired is still travelling through apparently infinite space. Access to the Honden… No. Radio? No.

Alright then. FEED ME! You think combining Order and Chaos is impressive?! I'll combine them IN MY BELLY!

The golden universe around me shudders, gold light precipitating out of empty space and flowing into me, though since I'm not an idiot I make sure to process it into orange light as it passes my snake lips. Just another Fate to DIGEST!

Flickers of red light all around me, the structure shimmering as I feed. I think I'm pulling enough power out of the structure that it's weakening. That's teach you not to lock up a genie with a tin opener!

The box collapses in front of me, and I get half a second of seeing my armour from the outside before I'm opening my eyes back in my own body. Alan's stuck me on a bio-bed construct to keep me out of the way, but I fly off at once and exhale at Quinn, a ray of manifested avarice flying from the front of my armour and slamming into his shield spell! They actually buckle, cracking and fracturing into tiny motes of energy!

A swirling red disk intercepts my shot before it can hit home, orange energy intermixing with-.

FEED ME!

Intermixing with the red and then absorbing it, expanding outward to envelop Quinn! He brings his sceptre to bear in a parrying motion, the head flaring gold as he strikes! The orange bomb holds for a moment, then shrivels and vanishes.

Then he points the sceptre at me.

"Oi!"

Demon John pulls himself up over the lip of a platform circling the upper part of the room.

"What was that about?"

"I seek the beautiful purity of Anti-Life, but I'm immune. I wanted to infect you so that when we merged we would still be a part of it."

And then I see Dr. Mist just behind him, the central shaft of the chamber coming apart under the effect of his magic as one of Demon John's eyes glows red while the other glows gold.

"Well that's just fucked up, mate."
 
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Did... did Demon Constantine just figure out how to dual-wield order and chaos magic?
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I think that's a sign that the merger worked- So he's Golden Demon Constantine now, and since Demon and Golden Boy were being used as proxies for chaos and order in that separation spell, that Golden Demon Constantine has access to both Order and Chaos.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Mage slayers hum from my railguns, impacting-. A barrier of golden light with a red-burning boarder
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Og shit, he can use Chaos.

Mr Zoat said:
strain and force it back a little all Sanderson
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"little, all Sanderson"

Mr Zoat said:
Sandman, dream us up something-."
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Maybe a man?

Mr Zoat said:
but unlike Faust Quinn knows
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"Faust, Quinn"

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And the box is the universe, and like the Monkey King couldn't escape the lap of Buddha I find it surrounding
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"Buddha, I find"

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"I seek the beautiful purity of Anti-Life, but I'm immune
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Okay, you need to study and replicate that.

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"I seek the beautiful purity of Anti-Life, but I'm immune. I wanted to infect you so that when we merged we would still be a part of it."

And then I see Dr. Mist just behind him, the central shaft of the chamber coming apart under the effect of his magic as one of Demon John's eyes glows red while the other glows gold.

"Well that's just fucked up, mate
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You've hit a new low when someone that's both a demon and a Constantine tells you you're messed up.
 
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